Why would anyone not be able to get seats?

Bu$chlager

The way I see it, if you're an active 10C member, you should be getting through no problem, even if it takes a while due to traffic. Pearl jam played MSG in 2003 and it was as hyped up as anything, but as far as I recall, everyone who wanted to, got tickets.

Does Pearl Jam not reserve as many seats as they used to? Are the venues not allowing them? I know they used to get whatever they wanted, but lately it seems like everything is on this super limited basis. The announcement doesn't mention anything about availability issues, so I'm sorta assuming/hoping that it will be like in '03.

Am I wrong?

snipes824

BUSH-lager wrote:

The way I see it, if you're an active 10C member, you should be getting through no problem, even if it takes a while due to traffic. Pearl jam played MSG in 2003 and it was as hyped up as anything, but as far as I recall, everyone who wanted to, got tickets.

Does Pearl Jam not reserve as many seats as they used to? Are the venues not allowing them? I know they used to get whatever they wanted, but lately it seems like everything is on this super limited basis. The announcement doesn't mention anything about availability issues, so I'm sorta assuming/hoping that it will be like in '03.

Am I wrong?

ticketmaster only allows fan clubs to get 10% of the tickets. so yes, it is limited. gotta have quick fingers.

Mrs.Vedder78

BUSH-lager wrote:

Does Pearl Jam not reserve as many seats as they used to? Are the venues not allowing them?

Not anymore, ticketmaster has a limit of 10% on all fanclubs as far as how many tickets they can hold for the fans.

The post does mention while quantities last.

BustedDownThePretext

but didn't pj broker a deal to get around that in 03 or was the 10% fan club rule not in effect then? if i remember correctly, for some reason, they weren't even able to get 10% for the philly 05 wachovia show.

possomists

where has it ever said that ticketmaster only gives out %10 to fanclub. I say no it doesnt. I need proof of that. I do not concur! Show somethng in writing from ticketmaster.

sward

19,522 seats for an end stage concert......and I'm not sure that counts if they sell all the way around or not, as PJ is apt to do. So...that means it is likely 2000..with each member getting 2 ... 1000 fan club members will get tickets (approx). Going to be dicey, but one thing I've learned from others is, even when you don't think you have tickets...go back and check again...and again..cause people often pull up tickets after people give up. Umm..wait..since you are competition...scratch that..if you get any sort of error..quit...

:-)



hahaha..good luck all!

DriftingByTheStorm

possomists wrote:

where has it ever said that ticketmaster only gives out %10 to fanclub. I say no it doesnt. I need proof of that. I do not concur! Show somethng in writing from ticketmaster.

uh.
wow.
Okay.
Everything is fine,
there is no 10% rule.

This is like the responses to my "conspiracy" threads.

Go head and say this:
"Show me DNA Evidence!"

DNA EVIDENCE, DAMN IT!

Flagg

Was this the case in Camden in 2006? Because my number is 262xxx and ended we ended up in the back of the 200s section. That's a lot more than 10% of the total of the venue.

sward

For some reason..now that I've been reading a bit on this..is it possible that acts are only bound by this rule if Ticketmaster has a part in the actual sale and distribution of the tickets?? Since Pearl Jam does the will call method, would they be able to sidestep this?? Just curious, and maybe even a little bit of wishful thinking.

BustedDownThePretext

Flagg wrote:

Was this the case in Camden in 2006? Because my number is 262xxx and ended we ended up in the back of the 200s section. That's a lot more than 10% of the total of the venue.

i think they got blocks for that place. the amphitheaters have all kinds of corporate boxes and season tickets, so it's hard for 10c to hook us up the way they'd like. they have much more control over the seats in arenas.

edit: i'm 232xxx and for camden 1 03, i was like 4 rows from the lawn.

EddiesGuitarGirl

so is it better just to wait after the pre-sale to get tickets?

possomists

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

uh.
wow.
Okay.
Everything is fine,
there is no 10% rule.

This is like the responses to my "conspiracy" threads.

Go head and say this:
"Show me DNA Evidence!"

DNA EVIDENCE, DAMN IT!

Im not sure what you mean. I can't understand why tenclub tickets will be a problem. I love when people throw out percentages. like 80% of the front row wasn't singing along and dancing. Ticketmaster only releases 70% of the tickets on dates of the sales. 30% goes to big corparation, and at the borgata 1.2% of fanlub got tickets, 88% went to paris hilton and jay z's crew, comped of course, and 10.8% went to mohawk indians. so seriously some one show something explaining that any fanclub is only allowed 10%.

BustedDownThePretext

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

uh.
wow.
Okay.
Everything is fine,
there is no 10% rule.

This is like the responses to my "conspiracy" threads.

Go head and say this:
"Show me DNA Evidence!"

DNA EVIDENCE, DAMN IT!

http://blog.fastcompany.com/archives/2007/03/28/ticketmaster_joins_the_club.html

possomists

that article didnt say anything about ticketmaster ONLY ALLOWING %10 OF TICKETS FOR FANCLUBS FROM THIS DAY ON

macci

Maybe this is why the 10c announcement was delayed?? PJ wouldn't play there unless they made an exception to the 10% rule.....ya never know??

possomists

macci wrote:

Maybe this is why the 10c announcement was delayed?? PJ wouldn't play there unless they made an exception to the 10% rule.....ya never know??

i concur

possomists

snipes824 wrote:

ticketmaster only allows fan clubs to get 10% of the tickets. so yes, it is limited. gotta have quick fingers.

snipes is always starting this stuff. he started the whole tarp issue the last tour.

BustedDownThePretext

possomists wrote:

that article didnt say anything about ticketmaster ONLY ALLOWING %10 OF TICKETS FOR FANCLUBS FROM THIS DAY ON

it said ticketmaster is in the business of running fan clubs and allows those fan clubs 10%. but if that wasn't clear to you, maybe this will be:

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2005/05/01/fan_club_sites_eliminate_the_middleman_with_presales/

Most bands can now only get 8 to 10 percent of a show's tickets because they run up against tight contracts between Ticketmaster and the venues. In the touring business, concert sites such as the Tweeter Center and Bank of America Pavilion make agreements with Ticketmaster to sell tickets and charge customers a fee for that service. Ticketmaster then shares part of the service fees with the music promoter and the venue, but not the bands.

DPrival78

the 10c should have a fundraiser to raise money for the band to build their own venues. then they could just sell tickets directly to us - fee free - without TM involved.

tschav

i missed out on Chicago 1 06 tickets during the presale.

you have to remember how many more people have joined the fan club in recent years. looks like a whole lot more than in the past. they can't fulfill each member, especially if you're looking at fans with numbers in the 400,000s

R-Dub81

In mostif not all, band contracts/riders they have a section that states they must be given XX amount of Comp tickets. They are for artists use/crew/ect. those not used are released by 4 or so the day of the show. Usually in larger cities (NYC, Chicago, LA) the ticket numbers can be increased to well over 100.
If you dont have tix and show up the day of you still might be able to get some tickets to a "sold out show"

snipes824

possomists wrote:

snipes is always starting this stuff. he started the whole tarp issue the last tour.

ha ha don't remind me of those damn tarps. if they tarp off MSG and i'm not at least front row i'm not gonna renew my membership!! pearl jam doesn't deserve my money.

4Powers20

BustedDownThePretext wrote:

it said ticketmaster is in the business of running fan clubs and allows those fan clubs 10%. but if that wasn't clear to you, maybe this will be:

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2005/05/01/fan_club_sites_eliminate_the_middleman_with_presales/

Most bands can now only get 8 to 10 percent of a show's tickets because they run up against tight contracts between Ticketmaster and the venues. In the touring business, concert sites such as the Tweeter Center and Bank of America Pavilion make agreements with Ticketmaster to sell tickets and charge customers a fee for that service. Ticketmaster then shares part of the service fees with the music promoter and the venue, but not the bands.

"Most Bands" I tried to find it but couldnt but I read in a rollingstone that Pearl jam had one of the best fan club deals worked out, so who the hell knows. Hopefully we all get tix.

Mrs.Vedder78

BustedDownThePretext wrote:

it said ticketmaster is in the business of running fan clubs and allows those fan clubs 10%. but if that wasn't clear to you, maybe this will be:

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2005/05/01/fan_club_sites_eliminate_the_middleman_with_presales/

Most bands can now only get 8 to 10 percent of a show's tickets because they run up against tight contracts between Ticketmaster and the venues. In the touring business, concert sites such as the Tweeter Center and Bank of America Pavilion make agreements with Ticketmaster to sell tickets and charge customers a fee for that service. Ticketmaster then shares part of the service fees with the music promoter and the venue, but not the bands.

Thanks for posting that link!
I dont know how long you "other people" have been buying tickets but this was big news when it went in place because it didn't sound fair and of course again it seemed like Ticketmaster was trying to regulate tickets even more than they always did..... that's why 10C can not promise a ticket to everyone for the MSG on 2003 god knows what they did and how they cut that deal where they offered every fan a ticket but that's not the norm and it certainly wasn't like that on 2006 there was people shut out of tickets for some shows, so if the fact that fanclubs have limits wasn't true then nobody would be shut out of tickets, now would they?

possomists

Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:

Thanks for posting that link!
I dont know how long you "other people" have been buying tickets but this was big news when it went in place because it didn't sound fair and of course again it seemed like Ticketmaster was trying to regulate tickets even more than they always did..... that's why 10C can not promise a ticket to everyone for the MSG on 2003 god knows what they did and how they cut that deal where they offered every fan a ticket but that's not the norm and it certainly wasn't like that on 2006 there was people shut out of tickets for some shows, so if the fact that fanclubs have limits wasn't true then nobody would be shut out of tickets, now would they?

who wanted tickets to the gorge or any other show in 06 that was online on time and didn't get tickets? ive never heard anyone, it was no problem

Mrs.Vedder78

possomists wrote:

who wanted tickets to the gorge or any other show in 06 that was online on time and didn't get tickets? ive never heard anyone, it was no problem

that's the trick though, that if you want tickets then you need to be there on time and not expect to get home at 5pm and still find them....

there was people that were shut out Cleveland show on 2006, I was online at the very first minute for all sales and got tickets for The Gorge, Jersey and Philly though Philly took me longer, on one of them I got temporarily outta stock several times until i was finally able to buy them...

NewJPage

DPrival78 wrote:

the 10c should have a fundraiser to raise money for the band to build their own venues. then they could just sell tickets directly to us - fee free - without TM involved.

that was basically the '95 tour, right??

as for the 8-10% thing...that article also said that some bands have better deals. i would think PJ is one of those bands. I just hope everyone gets ticks to whatever show they want to go to. i know either way, whether i get fanclub or not, i'll be going, but i just hope this all works out OK.

Solat13

Flagg wrote:

Was this the case in Camden in 2006? Because my number is 262xxx and ended we ended up in the back of the 200s section. That's a lot more than 10% of the total of the venue.

Well, that could be because of the huge lawn, the Camden venue's (it's gone through 4 different names through 4 different tours) capacity is 25,000. Of that only about 7,000 are non lawn seats. So if ten club gets 2,500 tickets for the venue it probably gets every non season ticket holder seat in the 100 level and probably just the middle section of the 200 level which is why your seats may have been where they were.

Elderly Man

is this 10% thing a new rule? at the 7/9/03 show eddie said that 8,000 10c members were at the show, and the night before 7,000 were there.

wickedmonkeyz

Elderly Man wrote:

is this 10% thing a new rule? at the 7/9/03 show eddie said that 8,000 10c members were at the show, and the night before 7,000 were there.

I was just about to say this

Sprunkn7

Elderly Man wrote:

is this 10% thing a new rule? at the 7/9/03 show eddie said that 8,000 10c members were at the show, and the night before 7,000 were there.

That is correct. But they did oversell MSG, they sent letters asking people to trade tickets to PNC for better seats. I didn't fall for that thank GOD!!