Exactly. She started her comment with, "I don't trust him." McCain was probably responding to that more than anything.
Yeah, I'm gonna give McCain a pass on that one I think.
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Some of these McCain/Palin rallies are getting pretty damn ugly. I'm not blaming the candidates for the audiences behavior but I do believe they should have spoke out against this type of rhetoric a bit sooner.
Prior to this campaign I have always respected McCain. I may have not agreed with him but. judging by his 2000 campaign, he seemed like a man that would not stoop to mud slinging to win an election. This has caused me to believe that the RNC is forcing McCain to run the campaign this way. We saw a glimpse of the real McCain this weekend when he told to crowd that Obama was a good man and the only difference between the two was their stance on the issues. I have a feeling that if the John McCain from 2000 was running today he would be crushing Obama and would easily win this election.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Some of these McCain/Palin rallies are getting pretty damn ugly. I'm not blaming the candidates for the audiences behavior but I do believe they should have spoke out against this type of rhetoric a bit sooner.
I agree, but at the same time, the candidates did fuel these fires, they played on the fear people have. A good leader would not do that.
McCain, used the fear tactic, he's also come to the conclusion that he is not going to get any more votes by playing the fear card so is trying to back away from it, but he's already let the fire burn too long.
I am scared for Obama, seriously. Who knows what these right wing nut cases are planning when he wins the election.
i am also. i think there is a MUCH greater chance of something tragic befalling him or his family, than so-called "riots" by minorities if he loses.
there may be riots, but i can guarantee you they won't be populated by blacks alone. there'll be plenty of white, brown, tan and beige lower- and middle-income folks royally PISSED OFF that the ignorant, racist, bible-waving backwoods repugnican jugheads stole another election.
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Some of these McCain/Palin rallies are getting pretty damn ugly. I'm not blaming the candidates for the audiences behavior but I do believe they should have spoke out against this type of rhetoric a bit sooner.
In my opinion, to a larger degree McCain/Palin are the catalysts in projecting these ignorant perspectives with the downright dishonest crap they have said on their campaign trails and in the debates.
80% of what came out of McCain and Palin's mouth's was complete bullshit with no factual basis, whatsoever.
In my opinion, to a larger degree McCain/Palin are the catalysts in projecting these ignorant perspectives with the downright dishonest crap they have said on their campaign trails and in the debates.
80% of what came out of McCain and Palin's mouth's was complete bullshit with no factual basis, whatsoever.
I agree that, especially with Palin, the rhetoric coming from the campaign was initiated to bring a certain level of fear or concern about Obama but an individuals actions are still his/her own. Any individual with half a brain would know that most of these accusations leveled against Obama are pretty much misleading or a flat out lie. The individuals screaming these remarks at these functions had hate in them to start with. I don't care how much a candidate is painted in a bad light I would never scream out "kill him". Any one that would consider that an appropriate remark has severe issues and that can't be blamed on the candidates themselves.
As for the McCain camp I think there is an internal struggle occurring there, and some conservative journalists and commentators have commented on this as well. You have two camps struggling against each other, the McCain team from 2000 against the people he hired for this campaign. I would go as far as saying that McCain isn't even in charge of his campaign anymore.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Some of these McCain/Palin rallies are getting pretty damn ugly. I'm not blaming the candidates for the audiences behavior but I do believe they should have spoke out against this type of rhetoric a bit sooner.
Prior to this campaign I have always respected McCain. I may have not agreed with him but. judging by his 2000 campaign, he seemed like a man that would not stoop to mud slinging to win an election. This has caused me to believe that the RNC is forcing McCain to run the campaign this way. We saw a glimpse of the real McCain this weekend when he told to crowd that Obama was a good man and the only difference between the two was their stance on the issues. I have a feeling that if the John McCain from 2000 was running today he would be crushing Obama and would easily win this election.
I agree with this post entirely. I'm pretty sure I would've voted for McCain in 2000 if he had been the candidate against Gore, and I can't help but think how much better the past eight years would've been had he been in office. But I think he had a bit of a crisis after that 2000 debacle; he realized that if he remained the maverick, and if he didn't engage in the type of politics that had been used against him by Rove, he would never win. And like everyone that runs, he REALLY wants to be president. For all the talk of the momentous event that Obama's presidency is, it has also been the least dramatic presidential campaigns I can remember. McCain's the story here; he seems very uncomfortable with these personal attacks, but he's committed to them anyway, since as a smart politicians he knows he may not win otherwise. I think he's been starting to realize (with his rebuttal of this jackass, and the toning down of his rhetoric on the stump, no more 'palling around with terrorists' junk). He's seen the reports of what those rallies are bringing out of people, and is very uncomfortable. Maybe he's had enough of having his strings being pulled by the Roves and Schmidts of his party...or maybe not. Maybe he wants to win too much.
It'd make a hell of a film or something, later on down the line.
I agree with this post entirely. I'm pretty sure I would've voted for McCain in 2000 if he had been the candidate against Gore, and I can't help but think how much better the past eight years would've been had he been in office. But I think he had a bit of a crisis after that 2000 debacle; he realized that if he remained the maverick, and if he didn't engage in the type of politics that had been used against him by Rove, he would never win. And like everyone that runs, he REALLY wants to be president. For all the talk of the momentous event that Obama's presidency is, it has also been the least dramatic presidential campaigns I can remember. McCain's the story here; he seems very uncomfortable with these personal attacks, but he's committed to them anyway, since as a smart politicians he knows he may not win otherwise. I think he's been starting to realize (with his rebuttal of this jackass, and the toning down of his rhetoric on the stump, no more 'palling around with terrorists' junk). He's seen the reports of what those rallies are bringing out of people, and is very uncomfortable. Maybe he's had enough of having his strings being pulled by the Roves and Schmidts of his party...or maybe not. Maybe he wants to win too much.
It'd make a hell of a film or something, later on down the line.
Here is a good editorial by Ed Rollins. I think he sums up the McCain campaign best.
I'd agree with most of that. Alot of conservatives I've seen are already positioning the story as this; "McCain's campaign completely screwed the candidate. He wasn't able to beat an opponent who offered nothing in return." I don't think I'd agree with an argument like that, because it turns Obama into a mere footnote, rather than a central reason behind the electoral map right now. I see it in some of my Republican friends; they are adopting this argument because they want to avoid giving Obama's campaign and message any legitimacy. As in, Obama's victory happened completely in spite of him, rather than due in large part to him. I think that's a pretty ridiculous notion, and it tries to bury the power of Obama's positions and the attractiveness of his message. I don't think McCain would be winning this election in a walk if he hadn't abandoned his principles, but it'd be alot closer and alot more inspiring (this is not to say, of course, that this election is by any means over).
I usually despise Bill Kristol, but he's got a similar message in his column today in the New York Times. However, all of these points operate on the notion that McCain now is completely suppressing his instinct, i.e. to be the candidate he was in 2000. I don't know if he can go back to that, because the credibility he's lost has cost him some. To co-opt a term used far too often in music, he "sold out" to get the nomination. Sometimes, selling out your principles won't matter in the general election, but it is this time around. I must say, though, that if either Rollins or Ayers seem to think that the road of Wright and Ayers will lead them to the White House, I just simply don't believe that anymore. Americans perceive their country to be in too fragile a state, and I don't think those distractions would work the way they might have in the past.
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I can't open that first link but that second one just goes to show with a little stirring up of the masses these racist ads and people WILL come forth.
I notice MCain in his speech in nearby VA he dropped the Ayers stuff and terriost connection.
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I can't open that first link but that second one just goes to show with a little stirring up of the masses these racist ads and people WILL come forth.
I notice MCain in his speech in nearby VA he dropped the Ayers stuff and terriost connection.
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try it again, the hannity forum was down for a bit
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"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I'd agree with most of that. Alot of conservatives I've seen are already positioning the story as this; "McCain's campaign completely screwed the candidate. He wasn't able to beat an opponent who offered nothing in return." I don't think I'd agree with an argument like that, because it turns Obama into a mere footnote, rather than a central reason behind the electoral map right now. I see it in some of my Republican friends; they are adopting this argument because they want to avoid giving Obama's campaign and message any legitimacy. As in, Obama's victory happened completely in spite of him, rather than due in large part to him. I think that's a pretty ridiculous notion, and it tries to bury the power of Obama's positions and the attractiveness of his message. I don't think McCain would be winning this election in a walk if he hadn't abandoned his principles, but it'd be alot closer and alot more inspiring (this is not to say, of course, that this election is by any means over).
I usually despise Bill Kristol, but he's got a similar message in his column today in the New York Times. However, all of these points operate on the notion that McCain now is completely suppressing his instinct, i.e. to be the candidate he was in 2000. I don't know if he can go back to that, because the credibility he's lost has cost him some. To co-opt a term used far too often in music, he "sold out" to get the nomination. Sometimes, selling out your principles won't matter in the general election, but it is this time around. I must say, though, that if either Rollins or Ayers seem to think that the road of Wright and Ayers will lead them to the White House, I just simply don't believe that anymore. Americans perceive their country to be in too fragile a state, and I don't think those distractions would work the way they might have in the past.
I was using the editorial to merely point out the internal struggle in the McCain camp. Of course people like Kristol and Rollins are going to down play Obama's significance, that is their job, but I do believe that McCain's, to borrow your term, "selling out" has been a bigger contributer to his lagging behind than Obama's performance to date. That is not to say that Obama has been a non-factor because that is untrue.
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How about the people outside and inside his rallies screaming that he's a terrorist? These people are fucking psychos. Psychos who are clinging to smears because their candidate is getting his ass kicked on the real issues. Nothing new for Republicans to smear though, that's their style. They're behind and they know it, and they're desperate.
When I was out campaigning for Obama on Saturday (going to visit people registered as Democrats mind you), as soon as I told one guy who I was supporting he just yelled out "He's a terrorist!!! That's what they said down at the VFW!" I knew there was no point in trying to argue with ignorance like that so I just said "Sir, you have been misinformed," and walked away.
When I was out campaigning for Obama on Saturday (going to visit people registered as Democrats mind you), as soon as I told one guy who I was supporting he just yelled out "He's a terrorist!!! That's what they said down at the VFW!" I knew there was no point in trying to argue with ignorance like that so I just said "Sir, you have been misinformed," and walked away.
Yea what else can you do? They're not gonna listen.
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As a collective, they barey have enough brain power to light a candle.
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Prior to this campaign I have always respected McCain. I may have not agreed with him but. judging by his 2000 campaign, he seemed like a man that would not stoop to mud slinging to win an election. This has caused me to believe that the RNC is forcing McCain to run the campaign this way. We saw a glimpse of the real McCain this weekend when he told to crowd that Obama was a good man and the only difference between the two was their stance on the issues. I have a feeling that if the John McCain from 2000 was running today he would be crushing Obama and would easily win this election.
I agree, but at the same time, the candidates did fuel these fires, they played on the fear people have. A good leader would not do that.
McCain, used the fear tactic, he's also come to the conclusion that he is not going to get any more votes by playing the fear card so is trying to back away from it, but he's already let the fire burn too long.
that was my first reaction as well. fucking sad.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
I wonder what he thinks about his supporters now
i am also. i think there is a MUCH greater chance of something tragic befalling him or his family, than so-called "riots" by minorities if he loses.
there may be riots, but i can guarantee you they won't be populated by blacks alone. there'll be plenty of white, brown, tan and beige lower- and middle-income folks royally PISSED OFF that the ignorant, racist, bible-waving backwoods repugnican jugheads stole another election.
"Obama's main opponent in this election on November 4th (was) not John McCain, it (was) ignorance."~Michael Moore
"i'm feeling kinda righteous right now. with my badass motherfuckin' ukulele!"
~ed, 8/7
In my opinion, to a larger degree McCain/Palin are the catalysts in projecting these ignorant perspectives with the downright dishonest crap they have said on their campaign trails and in the debates.
80% of what came out of McCain and Palin's mouth's was complete bullshit with no factual basis, whatsoever.
I agree that, especially with Palin, the rhetoric coming from the campaign was initiated to bring a certain level of fear or concern about Obama but an individuals actions are still his/her own. Any individual with half a brain would know that most of these accusations leveled against Obama are pretty much misleading or a flat out lie. The individuals screaming these remarks at these functions had hate in them to start with. I don't care how much a candidate is painted in a bad light I would never scream out "kill him". Any one that would consider that an appropriate remark has severe issues and that can't be blamed on the candidates themselves.
As for the McCain camp I think there is an internal struggle occurring there, and some conservative journalists and commentators have commented on this as well. You have two camps struggling against each other, the McCain team from 2000 against the people he hired for this campaign. I would go as far as saying that McCain isn't even in charge of his campaign anymore.
I agree with this post entirely. I'm pretty sure I would've voted for McCain in 2000 if he had been the candidate against Gore, and I can't help but think how much better the past eight years would've been had he been in office. But I think he had a bit of a crisis after that 2000 debacle; he realized that if he remained the maverick, and if he didn't engage in the type of politics that had been used against him by Rove, he would never win. And like everyone that runs, he REALLY wants to be president. For all the talk of the momentous event that Obama's presidency is, it has also been the least dramatic presidential campaigns I can remember. McCain's the story here; he seems very uncomfortable with these personal attacks, but he's committed to them anyway, since as a smart politicians he knows he may not win otherwise. I think he's been starting to realize (with his rebuttal of this jackass, and the toning down of his rhetoric on the stump, no more 'palling around with terrorists' junk). He's seen the reports of what those rallies are bringing out of people, and is very uncomfortable. Maybe he's had enough of having his strings being pulled by the Roves and Schmidts of his party...or maybe not. Maybe he wants to win too much.
It'd make a hell of a film or something, later on down the line.
Here is a good editorial by Ed Rollins. I think he sums up the McCain campaign best.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/11/rollins.endgame/index.htm
I'd agree with most of that. Alot of conservatives I've seen are already positioning the story as this; "McCain's campaign completely screwed the candidate. He wasn't able to beat an opponent who offered nothing in return." I don't think I'd agree with an argument like that, because it turns Obama into a mere footnote, rather than a central reason behind the electoral map right now. I see it in some of my Republican friends; they are adopting this argument because they want to avoid giving Obama's campaign and message any legitimacy. As in, Obama's victory happened completely in spite of him, rather than due in large part to him. I think that's a pretty ridiculous notion, and it tries to bury the power of Obama's positions and the attractiveness of his message. I don't think McCain would be winning this election in a walk if he hadn't abandoned his principles, but it'd be alot closer and alot more inspiring (this is not to say, of course, that this election is by any means over).
I usually despise Bill Kristol, but he's got a similar message in his column today in the New York Times. However, all of these points operate on the notion that McCain now is completely suppressing his instinct, i.e. to be the candidate he was in 2000. I don't know if he can go back to that, because the credibility he's lost has cost him some. To co-opt a term used far too often in music, he "sold out" to get the nomination. Sometimes, selling out your principles won't matter in the general election, but it is this time around. I must say, though, that if either Rollins or Ayers seem to think that the road of Wright and Ayers will lead them to the White House, I just simply don't believe that anymore. Americans perceive their country to be in too fragile a state, and I don't think those distractions would work the way they might have in the past.
poll on Sean Hannity's message board ... "What is Barack HUSSEIN Obama's religion?" .... not surpisingly, Muslim is winning ...
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=976951
note, there's a lot of right wing propagnada on there, including such thread titles as ...
"Barack Hussein Obama's Family Were African Slave Traders; his Mama's family owned! "
"Who is Vera Baker? Why did Obama send his MISTRESS to the Caribbean??"
"If you like Fidel Castro you willl love Obama. "
and a thread that asks ... "What's racist about this anti-Obama billboard?" ... and here is the billboard ... http://current.com/items/89393772_racist_obama_billboard_causes_outrage
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I notice MCain in his speech in nearby VA he dropped the Ayers stuff and terriost connection.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
try it again, the hannity forum was down for a bit
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I was using the editorial to merely point out the internal struggle in the McCain camp. Of course people like Kristol and Rollins are going to down play Obama's significance, that is their job, but I do believe that McCain's, to borrow your term, "selling out" has been a bigger contributer to his lagging behind than Obama's performance to date. That is not to say that Obama has been a non-factor because that is untrue.
When I was out campaigning for Obama on Saturday (going to visit people registered as Democrats mind you), as soon as I told one guy who I was supporting he just yelled out "He's a terrorist!!! That's what they said down at the VFW!" I knew there was no point in trying to argue with ignorance like that so I just said "Sir, you have been misinformed," and walked away.
Yea what else can you do? They're not gonna listen.