McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time..
MrBrian
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as the Obama campaign say's. and Obama himself? Apparently voted for Bush 40% of the time in 2007, 40%! that's not change, it's 40% of the same!
and in 2006, 49% of the time.
and in 2006, 49% of the time.
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Let's see your source.
Sure! check this out
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/
http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm
Then find the other record and do the math. If you find any issues, be sure to post them.
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to any profound or extensive shifts in policy." - Carol Quigley
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I'm largely going from conjecture here, but I think it's probably pretty likely that the White House releases statements and whatnots that make Bush's position on the bills going towards Congress pretty clear.
Plus, he's taking McCain at his word; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uThoBMfcFRc
Its a cut and paste video, with no reference as to what they asked him to lead up to those answers. Is that 95% based on what the President will pass? Or is it 95% of what he will pass or veto?
Hold on. It's exactly what I'm saying it is, but I have to find the text. I remember it being posted around here a few days ago.
And of course, it's 90, not 95. Why would it be what he'd veto? This President's vetoed hardly anything.
SEN. McCAIN: No. No. I--the fact is that I'm different but the fact is that I have agreed with President Bush far more than I have disagreed. And on the transcendent issues, the most important issues of our day, I've been totally in agreement and support of President Bush. So have we had some disagreements on some issues, the bulk--particularly domestic issues? Yes. But I will argue my conservative record voting with anyone's, and I will also submit that my support for President Bush has been active and very impassioned on issues that are important to the American people. And I'm particularly talking about the war on terror, the war in Iraq, national security, national defense, support of men and women in the military, fiscal discipline, a number of other issues. So I strongly disagree with any assertion that I've been more at odds with the president of the United States than I have been in agreement with him.
CAVUTO: Let me ask you, Senator, all things being equal right now and given the fact that you differ with the president so strongly on this tax cut and on some of these spending issues, would you ever consider challenging him for the Republican nomination next year?
MCCAIN: No, no. But, look, the president and I agree on most issues. There was a recent study that showed that I voted with the president over 90 percent of the time, higher than a lot of my even Republican colleagues.
This is an honest difference of opinion, but it’s also what I campaigned on. I campaigned on a tax package that had to do with a balanced budget, not to do with massive deficits, and I’m sticking with the principles and the philosophy that I campaigned for president on, albeit I lost.
Note: John McCain now supports the Bush tax plan.
one side taxes less and wasteful spends more....the other side spends less and taxes more..
exact same thing...yet some still choose to see the emperors clothes instead of the heaping coil of steaming shite....
time will learn them....or perhaps reading more about politics...it's like stealing back time to ones advantage.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I'm not one that thinks that Obama will save the world, but the statement you just made make no sense.
One of those policies leads to a surplus, while the other leads to massive amounts of debt for the US. How exactly are those 2 things the same?
indeed ...
How Republicans have managed the National Debt
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
if you're expecting logic from people like him, you're going to be disappointed.
to the original poster, how about showing what those votes were for? got to love this guy's logic:
50% difference in views = the same candidates!
partisanship is bad, but if you ever vote in agreement with a republican you are as bad as george bush.
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the only comfort is this dude is in canada and can't vote here. we've got enough of a voter intelligence deficit as it is.
So fucking what?
What are the issues?
Do you agree with some of these issues? These votes?
Surely you must...at least 50% of the time.
You have a brain don't you?...You have ideas and positions on topics...don't you?
Sometimes they run with your party line...Sometimes they don't.
It's called being objective.
It's called a point of view.
You mean to tell me you'd vote against everything 100% of the time?
or
Did you even bother to read up on some of this legislation that was being passed before you threw out your 49% of the time arguement?
Probably not.
I hardly think this makes Obama bad...a liar...or a phony agent of change.
It's worthless bullshit hollow arguments like this that are just fogging up the mirrors in this election.
Just go on believing your boy McCain is a Maverick.
Keep telling yourself that while he's taking your house, your job, and sending your children off to war.
so which is it? he's a republican drone or a democratic drone?
You know what the numbers/stats show? That at the end of the day, the two parties are very similar. Not the same, but very close. Too close.
What this shows is that Obama, a man who claims to be new,fresh... is really, the same. Or excuse me, not significantly different.
To be honest, I don't think Obama was ever claiming he's voted with Republicans half the time, and he is running on the Democratic platform, not an Independent one. Is it so surprising he'd vote primarily with the Democrats? Fact is both these candidates don't have extensive records of crossing the party line, though they both say the otherwise. The problem with McCain is that he often agreed with the administration in power right now, which is a pretty big problem.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/15/records-show-mccain-more-bipartisan/
In fact, by several measures, Mr. McCain has been more likely to team up with Democrats than with members of his own party. Democrats made up 55 percent of his political partners over the last two Congresses, including on the tough issues of campaign finance and global warming. For Mr. Obama, Republicans were only 13 percent of his co-sponsors during his time in the Senate, and he had his biggest bipartisan successes on noncontroversial measures, such as issuing a postage stamp in honor of civil rights icon Rosa Parks.
With calls for change in Washington dominating the campaign, both Mr. Obama, the Democrats' presidential nominee, and Mr. McCain, his Republican opponent, have claimed the mantle of bipartisanship.
But since 2005, Mr. McCain has led as chief sponsor of 82 bills, on which he had 120 Democratic co-sponsors out of 220 total, for an average of 55 percent. He worked with Democrats on 50 of his bills, and of those, 37 times Democrats outnumber Republicans as co-sponsors.
Mr. Obama, meanwhile, sponsored 120 bills, of which Republicans co-sponsored just 26, and on only five bills did Republicans outnumber Democrats. Mr. Obama gained 522 total Democratic co-sponsors but only 75 Republicans, for an average of 13 percent of his co-sponsors.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
You don't think Obama is ready to bomb the same places McCain wants to?
Also Obama supports Israel, a place who clearly violates international law, oppressing a people. What does Obama say about that?
Do people not care that he refuses to look at the reasons for the terrorism? Yet you believe he can deal with it? How the hell can he deal with it if he has no idea whats the cause of it?
He sides with georgia and it talking tough with Russia, yet why is he not talking about the cause of that conflict? You do know that he's just following party lines. "Bad Russia!"
You call that a leader?...
How about when he backed the patriot act? you know, the diet patriot act.
Then he chooses Biden, perhaps i'll start a thread about him another day. My point is, that is 'change' to you?
Obama supported the first gulf war, infact he said Bush sr did a great job with it. a great job with it?
Does Obama even touch the reasons for the first Gulf war?
It's an interesting article, although somewhat misleading when I go by this website...
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_that_even_though_john.html
McCain has a 90% agreeance rate with the Republican Party in the Senate; I believe that is less than Obama's comparative rate with the Democrats, but not by much. A great amount of McCain's bipartisan work was equally uncontroversial, as the votes in the website I supplied showed. The facts show he's not as bipartisan as he claims to be, and neither is Obama.
None of this, however, has to do with the criticism that he's agreed with Bush so often. That's what the criticism is; if Obama wanted to prove McCain's lack of bipartisanship, he could've just said that he voted with the Republicans 90% of the time. But the criticism is that he agrees with Bush, the guy with a 20 percent approval rating. I don't see how the article you cited refutes that point.
maybe what that shows is that society is like a bell curve, where most of the people want those policies where the dems and republicans agree. the parties are similar because most americans want the same things. a true democracy responds to the will of the majority, which will falls into that middle ground. there are just a few issues on the edges that divide the parties and a few differing perspectives on the best way to accomplish the same goals. there is a lot of compromise and a lot of agreement and that is a good thing.
what you seem to want is a fringe fraction of the population to impose a leftist world order onto us policy. the people have repeatedly rejected that. what matters in this election is the 40% of the votes where obama and mccain are strikingly different.
those areas of overlap are, for better or worse, the legislation that has broad bipartisan support. that's not a bad thing. i'm also willing to bet a number of them are pointless resolutions to thank grandparents for continuing to keep the 2-dollar bill in circulation or the budget bill which you have to suck up and pass to keep the government moving, even if some of it isnt so grand.
here's a visual for you:
Brian (commie canuck meddling in politics that aren't his business)
mainstream world
sarah palin
you and your ilk are the same as the psychos on the other side... no grasp of reality and no intelligible or practical plan for the world. you're high on pot and hippy love, palin's high on jesus. neither of you are worth taking into consideration when it comes to enacting real policy to keep a country functioning on a day to day basis.
jesus, i'm so sick of you whacko left-wing nutters acting like anything less than a che guevera presidency is a sign of impending nazism and corporate fascism. compromise is not a dirty word. it's an outgrowth of that TOLERANCE you like to blow so much hot air about... until someone thinks a policy different than your know-it-all proposal might be a better idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cOJNC2EuJw&NR=1
I can post the list of laws Israel has broken, or the crimes it has commited, but we all know pretty much know how big it is.
Now is Obama, really the candidate of change?
well, it's change from the McCain/Palin ticket who feels we cannot second guess Israel if they decide to "defend" themselves from Iran ... um, really? We can't second guess Israel, at all???
I think I've said many times that both of the leading cnadidates suckle far too hard on the teet of AIPAC.
So, indeed, one area where Obama isn't a "change" that I'd like to see ... but, it still doesn't change my stance that he is a far better candidate than McCain.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
You see, we have come to a point where it's the norm to support Israel, it doesnt fucking matter how much crime it does, how much wrong it does. If you don't support them, you don't win the election. Not only that, but supporting the corrupt is right and standing up against injustice is left wing and crazy. But it's not, standing up against a crime is not left or right wing.
Is it really, crazy? insane? weird? to stand up and say, "that shit aint right?"
To look at an issue and break it down, point out certain things?
All i'm pointing out is Obama and his hypocrisy.
Do you all really think Obama is right in backing Israel the way he does? In a conflict that perhaps is one of the direct links to many problems we face today?
How can you respect a man who say's the Israel is only defending itself? How can you support a person who refuses to stand up against the same injustices he say's he fights against?
All options are on the table with Iran, fine. Sometimes you need to go to war. But Why is he talking about Iran? Who is iran a threat towards?
Fair enough. I have said myself that Obama would make a better president. My issues is that his supporters don't demand enough from him. Giving him a free pass. Obama has a chance to be great. Maybe he just needs a push?
Now is the time to speak your mind, not after he wins.