LONDON (AFP) - Hackers claim they have broken into the computer system of the Large Hadron Collider, the mega-machine designed to expose secrets of the cosmos, British newspapers reported on Saturday.
A group calling itself the Greek Security Team left a rogue webpage mocking the technicians responsible for computer security at the giant atom smasher as "schoolkids", the Times and Daily Telegraph reported.
The hackers vowed they had no intention of disrupting the experiment at the European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) on the Swiss-French border, they just wanted to highlight the flaws in the computer system's security.
Indian girl kills self over "Big Bang" fear: family
BHOPAL, India (Reuters) - A teenage girl in central India killed herself on Wednesday after being traumatized by media reports that a "Big Bang" experiment in Europe could bring about the end of the world, her father said.
The 16-year old girl from the state of Madhya Pradesh drank pesticide and was rushed to the hospital but later died, police said.
Her father, identified on local television as Biharilal, said that his daughter, Chayya, killed herself after watching doomsday predictions made on Indian news programs.
^ I was talking about the lhc with a friend over the week end and for some people it seems the possibility of a black hole really is a panicking thought pretty hard to bear, she really had a hard time dealing with it. I'm guessing we're not over seeing these incidents in the future.
By the way, does anyone know this : in case of a black hole time will time expand infinitely while earth is being sucked in?
^ I was talking about the lhc with a friend over the week end and for some people it seems the possibility of a black hole really is a panicking thought pretty hard to bear, she really had a hard time dealing with it. I'm guessing we're not over seeing these incidents in the future.
By the way, does anyone know this : in case of a black hole time will time expand infinitely while earth is being sucked in?
Yes that is true, at least in theory. Here is something I posted earlier in this thread that describes the slowing down of time.
Before the falling object crosses the event horizon
An object in a gravitational field experiences a slowing down of time, called gravitational time dilation, relative to observers outside the field. The outside observer will see that physical processes in the object, including clocks, appear to run slowly. As a test object approaches the event horizon, its gravitational time dilation (as measured by an observer far from the hole) would approach infinity. Its time would appear to be stopped.
From the viewpoint of a distant observer, an object falling into a black hole appears to slow down, approaching but never quite reaching the event horizon: and it appears to become redder and dimmer, because of the extreme gravitational red shift caused by the gravity of the black hole. Eventually, the falling object becomes so dim that it can no longer be seen, at a point just before it reaches the event horizon. All of this is a consequence of time dilation: the object's movement is one of the processes that appear to run slower and slower, and the time dilation effect is more significant than the acceleration due to gravity; the frequency of light from the object appears to decrease, making it look redder, because the light appears to complete fewer cycles per "tick" of the observer's clock; lower-frequency light has less energy and therefore appears dimmer, as well as redder.
From the viewpoint of the falling object, distant objects generally appear blue-shifted due to the gravitational field of the black hole. This effect may be partly (or even entirely) negated by the red shift caused by the velocity of the infalling object with respect to the object in the distance.
As the object passes through the event horizon
From the viewpoint of the falling object, nothing particularly special happens at the event horizon. In fact, there is no (local) way for him to find out whether he has passed the horizon or not. An infalling object takes a finite proper time (i.e. measured by its own clock) to fall past the event horizon. This in contrast with the infinite amount of time it takes for a distant observer to see the infalling object cross the horizon.
Inside the event horizon
The object reaches the singularity at the center within a finite amount of proper time, as measured by the falling object. An observer on the falling object would continue to see objects outside the event horizon, blue-shifted or red-shifted depending on the falling object's trajectory. Objects closer to the singularity aren't seen, as all paths light could take from objects farther in point inwards towards the singularity.
The amount of proper time a faller experiences below the event horizon depends upon where they started from rest, with the maximum being for someone who starts from rest at the event horizon. A paper in 2007 examined the effect of firing a rocket pack within the black hole, showing that this can only reduce the proper time of a person who starts from rest at the event horizon. However, for anyone else, a judicious burst of the rocket can extend the lifetime of the faller, but overdoing it will again reduce the proper time experienced. However, this cannot prevent the inevitable collision with the central singularity.[27]
Hitting the singularity
As an infalling object approaches the singularity, tidal forces acting on it approach infinity. All components of the object, including atoms and subatomic particles, are torn away from each other before striking the singularity. At the singularity itself, effects are unknown; it is believed that a theory of quantum gravity is needed to accurately describe events near it.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
yes there is. i in fact had stated a thread about that.
with the higgs boson playing hard to get, lots of kinds of strange things are hapenning........ songs are being sung, people are committing suicide etc.
I have faced it, A life wasted...
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
GENEVA (Reuters) - A technical glitch has forced scientists to shut down the huge particle-smashing machine built to simulate the conditions of the "Big Bang" for at least two months, they said on Saturday.
The European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) said there had been a major helium leak on Friday into the tunnel housing the biggest and most complex machine ever made.
Just 10 days ago, scientists had celebrated the successful start of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) under the Swiss-French border, hoping it would revamp modern physics and unlock secrets about the universe and its origins
The organization said strict safety regulations had ensured there was no risk to people from the malfunction.
The project has had to work hard to dismiss suggestions by some critics that the experiment could create tiny black holes of intense gravity that could suck in the whole planet.
Since the machine started up earlier this month, scientists have successfully sent particle beams around the accelerator.
The next step will be to smash the beams into each other to trigger tiny collisions at nearly the speed of light.
This will be an attempt to recreate on a miniature scale the heat and energy of the Big Bang, the explosion generally believed by cosmologists to be at the origin of our expanding universe
Why do so many people think this will create a black hole that will destroy earth?
It's beyond silly. There's already trillions upon trillions (upon trillions upon trillions etc...etc...to infinity) of atoms smashing into the earth with much higher energy levels for billions of years now....if it were possible, it would have happened already millions of times over...probably hundreds of times every micro second.
Were still here....
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
the state of nothingness is an impossibility....planks constant?...bah...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Why do so many people think this will create a black hole that will destroy earth?
It's beyond silly. There's already trillions upon trillions (upon trillions upon trillions etc...etc...to infinity) of atoms smashing into the earth with much higher energy levels for billions of years now....if it were possible, it would have happened already millions of times over...probably hundreds of times every micro second.
Were still here....
It's the sensationalist media that's responsible for this. They'll say anything for ratings.
GENEVA -- Operators of the world's largest atom smasher say damage caused by a bad electrical connection will take much of the planned winter shutdown to repair, but it will be back in action as planned next spring.
Spokesman James Gillies of CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, says the massive electromagnets deep underground appear to have escaped damage.
But he says damage to insulation and other parts around 29 of the magnets will likely require that they be brought to the surface for repair.
The failure of a single electrical connection in the Large Hadron Collider caused the equipment to shut down just nine days after the machine's launch with great fanfare Sept. 10.
GENEVA -- Operators of the world's largest atom smasher say damage caused by a bad electrical connection will take much of the planned winter shutdown to repair, but it will be back in action as planned next spring.
Spokesman James Gillies of CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, says the massive electromagnets deep underground appear to have escaped damage.
But he says damage to insulation and other parts around 29 of the magnets will likely require that they be brought to the surface for repair.
The failure of a single electrical connection in the Large Hadron Collider caused the equipment to shut down just nine days after the machine's launch with great fanfare Sept. 10.
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nice. can you say cyber-terrorism? The ultimate IED!
I need to read up on these experiments, cause all I can think when I read about the hoped for and possible results, is "timewave zero"......it fits.
BHOPAL, India (Reuters) - A teenage girl in central India killed herself on Wednesday after being traumatized by media reports that a "Big Bang" experiment in Europe could bring about the end of the world, her father said.
The 16-year old girl from the state of Madhya Pradesh drank pesticide and was rushed to the hospital but later died, police said.
Her father, identified on local television as Biharilal, said that his daughter, Chayya, killed herself after watching doomsday predictions made on Indian news programs.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/080910/n_world_reuters/international_india_suicide_dc_1
By the way, does anyone know this : in case of a black hole time will time expand infinitely while earth is being sucked in?
www.amnesty.org.uk
Yes that is true, at least in theory. Here is something I posted earlier in this thread that describes the slowing down of time.
Before the falling object crosses the event horizon
An object in a gravitational field experiences a slowing down of time, called gravitational time dilation, relative to observers outside the field. The outside observer will see that physical processes in the object, including clocks, appear to run slowly. As a test object approaches the event horizon, its gravitational time dilation (as measured by an observer far from the hole) would approach infinity. Its time would appear to be stopped.
From the viewpoint of a distant observer, an object falling into a black hole appears to slow down, approaching but never quite reaching the event horizon: and it appears to become redder and dimmer, because of the extreme gravitational red shift caused by the gravity of the black hole. Eventually, the falling object becomes so dim that it can no longer be seen, at a point just before it reaches the event horizon. All of this is a consequence of time dilation: the object's movement is one of the processes that appear to run slower and slower, and the time dilation effect is more significant than the acceleration due to gravity; the frequency of light from the object appears to decrease, making it look redder, because the light appears to complete fewer cycles per "tick" of the observer's clock; lower-frequency light has less energy and therefore appears dimmer, as well as redder.
From the viewpoint of the falling object, distant objects generally appear blue-shifted due to the gravitational field of the black hole. This effect may be partly (or even entirely) negated by the red shift caused by the velocity of the infalling object with respect to the object in the distance.
As the object passes through the event horizon
From the viewpoint of the falling object, nothing particularly special happens at the event horizon. In fact, there is no (local) way for him to find out whether he has passed the horizon or not. An infalling object takes a finite proper time (i.e. measured by its own clock) to fall past the event horizon. This in contrast with the infinite amount of time it takes for a distant observer to see the infalling object cross the horizon.
Inside the event horizon
The object reaches the singularity at the center within a finite amount of proper time, as measured by the falling object. An observer on the falling object would continue to see objects outside the event horizon, blue-shifted or red-shifted depending on the falling object's trajectory. Objects closer to the singularity aren't seen, as all paths light could take from objects farther in point inwards towards the singularity.
The amount of proper time a faller experiences below the event horizon depends upon where they started from rest, with the maximum being for someone who starts from rest at the event horizon. A paper in 2007 examined the effect of firing a rocket pack within the black hole, showing that this can only reduce the proper time of a person who starts from rest at the event horizon. However, for anyone else, a judicious burst of the rocket can extend the lifetime of the faller, but overdoing it will again reduce the proper time experienced. However, this cannot prevent the inevitable collision with the central singularity.[27]
Hitting the singularity
As an infalling object approaches the singularity, tidal forces acting on it approach infinity. All components of the object, including atoms and subatomic particles, are torn away from each other before striking the singularity. At the singularity itself, effects are unknown; it is believed that a theory of quantum gravity is needed to accurately describe events near it.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
with the higgs boson playing hard to get, lots of kinds of strange things are hapenning........ songs are being sung, people are committing suicide etc.
Take my hand, my child of love
Come step inside my tears
Swim the magic ocean,
I've been crying all these years
The European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) said there had been a major helium leak on Friday into the tunnel housing the biggest and most complex machine ever made.
Just 10 days ago, scientists had celebrated the successful start of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) under the Swiss-French border, hoping it would revamp modern physics and unlock secrets about the universe and its origins
The organization said strict safety regulations had ensured there was no risk to people from the malfunction.
The project has had to work hard to dismiss suggestions by some critics that the experiment could create tiny black holes of intense gravity that could suck in the whole planet.
Since the machine started up earlier this month, scientists have successfully sent particle beams around the accelerator.
The next step will be to smash the beams into each other to trigger tiny collisions at nearly the speed of light.
This will be an attempt to recreate on a miniature scale the heat and energy of the Big Bang, the explosion generally believed by cosmologists to be at the origin of our expanding universe
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/080920/n_technology_reuters/tech_science_cern_col_8
It's beyond silly. There's already trillions upon trillions (upon trillions upon trillions etc...etc...to infinity) of atoms smashing into the earth with much higher energy levels for billions of years now....if it were possible, it would have happened already millions of times over...probably hundreds of times every micro second.
Were still here....
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
not from the perspective of an electron.
or a quark...and so on and so on to infinity....
the state of nothingness is an impossibility....planks constant?...bah...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
It's the sensationalist media that's responsible for this. They'll say anything for ratings.
The Associated Press
GENEVA -- Operators of the world's largest atom smasher say damage caused by a bad electrical connection will take much of the planned winter shutdown to repair, but it will be back in action as planned next spring.
Spokesman James Gillies of CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, says the massive electromagnets deep underground appear to have escaped damage.
But he says damage to insulation and other parts around 29 of the magnets will likely require that they be brought to the surface for repair.
The failure of a single electrical connection in the Large Hadron Collider caused the equipment to shut down just nine days after the machine's launch with great fanfare Sept. 10.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081017/atom_smasher_081017/20081017?hub=World&s_name=
I'll bet that Gary Busey's son was behind this failure.