Edwards: Iran Threat Serious

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Or any situation. Iraq is the same story. "Iraq has ties to Al-Qaeda" remember that line, and now it's more like "Iraq is run by Al-Qaeda" because the war made it possible.

    Al Qaeda is a minor source of the violence in Iraq. The large majority of the violence is Sunni on Shia, Shia on Sunni, and Shia on Shia. It's an internal power struggle 1,300 years in the making.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Iraq is the same story. "Iraq has ties to Al-Qaeda" remember that line, and now it's more like "Iraq is run by Al-Qaeda" because the war made it possible.
    well look here. we finally agree on something. pop open the bubbly. although those days are gone. el queda did have a huge influence in the country. thats all but gone.
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    mammasan wrote:
    Hezbollah came over the border not the Lebonese military.

    http://www.antiwar.com/frank/?articleid=9401

    an Interesting write up.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    right thats what I meant. I actually feel bad for the lebonanese government. Hezbollah has fucked up that country.

    I'm not ready to blame Israel for this mess although they should have gone about things differently.

    Hezbollah was created as a result of the Israeli occupation of lebanon.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I'm not ready to blame Israel for this mess although they should have gone about things differently.

    I'm not saying it's entirely Israel's fault, Hezbollah has the brunt of the blame, but had they handled the situation differently the Lebonese government may not be in the predicament it is in now. Had Israel retreived their troops or taken Hezbollah out of commission at least their would have been an upside to the situation but as it is their is no upside to their action. It is all negative.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Hezbollah was created as a result of the Israeli occupation of lebanon.
    of course you fail to mention what started the 1982 war with lebanon.

    The Government of Israel gave a green light for the invasion as a response to the assassination attempt against Israel's ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    mammasan wrote:
    Al Qaeda is a minor source of the violence in Iraq. The large majority of the violence is Sunni on Shia, Shia on Sunni, and Shia on Shia. It's an internal power struggle 1,300 years in the making.

    From what I understand Sadar city amongst others is mainly run by Al-Qaeda, or what describes a radical muslim movement. I don't believe that Al-Qaeda normally refers to it's self as Al-Qaeda, I think that term includes the Muslim Brotherhood as well as the Muhajideen and others. I think Al-Qaeda is a generalization of all radical muslim militias. Hence it's refered to as a "network" of nodes interoperating with similar agendas. In that regard, Al-Qaeda is largely in control of the entire middle-east. If a country is brought to anarchy by any means, including war, it can be certain that some node of Al-Qaeda will be there to obtain control.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    jlew24asu wrote:
    of course you fail to mention what started the 1982 war with lebanon.

    The Government of Israel gave a green light for the invasion as a response to the assassination attempt against Israel's ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov.

    I guess that brings us back to the Balfour declaration ;)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Ahnimus wrote:
    From what I understand Sadar city amongst others is mainly run by Al-Qaeda, or what describes a radical muslim movement. I don't believe that Al-Qaeda normally refers to it's self as Al-Qaeda, I think that term includes the Muslim Brotherhood as well as the Muhajideen and others. I think Al-Qaeda is a generalization of all radical muslim militias. Hence it's refered to as a "network" of nodes interoperating with similar agendas. In that regard, Al-Qaeda is largely in control of the entire middle-east. If a country is brought to anarchy by any means, including war, it can be certain that some node of Al-Qaeda will be there to obtain control.

    By Al Qaeda I'm referring to all foreign or native jihadist. They are mainly in the northern regions of Iraq and have ties to the Sunni Arabs and Sunni Kurds. The violence in Sadr City is mostly Shia militias fighting other Shia militias for control or Shia militias killing Sunni Arabs. Najaf, Sadr City and Basra are pretty much under the control of Muqtada al-Sadr and his al-Mahdi Army. A small percentage of the violence in Iraq, against Iraqis and/or US-Coalition forces, is carried out by jihadist.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    jlew24asu wrote:
    to who?

    they certainly are America's friend. you will never see or hear a presidential candidate say otherwise and rightfully so.


    Many people pretend to like Israel and only use them for their own purposes. Israel's no fool, they know this.

    Does Iran wants to dominate the Gulf region, no, that's propaganda. The problem, however, is that the U.S. by its mismanagement in Iraq, made Iran the dominant voice in the Gulf. If the U.S. had taken its victory in 2003 and used it's diplomatic advantage to gain and maintain its presence, Iran would not have been able to gain any creditable leadership role and the Gulf countries would have been able to keep Iran in check. Unfortunately, the leaders of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, also, miscalculated very, badly, because they can clearly be seen as sellouts of their faith, their brothers, and their countrymen to the U.S. and Israel so the people of the Gulf region are more likely to listen to the voice in Iran than to the sellouts. Israel see this, Bush see this, and the Saudi's know this.

    As it stands now, it's not about Bush finding nukes, Iran has already admitted to nuclear facilities for energy purposes. Israel, too, has nuclear facilities but refuses to let IAEA inspect their sites. The purpose of any attack on Iran is because Bush/Israel/Saudi Arabia needs more than the possible destruction of Iran's nuclear facilities, Bush needs to have Iran's president dead.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    puremagic wrote:
    Many people pretend to like Israel and only use them for their own purposes. Israel's no fool, they know this.

    Does Iran wants to dominate the Gulf region, no, that's propaganda. The problem, however, is that the U.S. by its mismanagement in Iraq, made Iran the dominant voice in the Gulf. If the U.S. had taken its victory in 2003 and used it's diplomatic advantage to gain and maintain its presence, Iran would not have been able to gain any creditable leadership role and the Gulf countries would have been able to keep Iran in check. Unfortunately, the leaders of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, also, miscalculated very, badly, because they can clearly be seen as sellouts of their faith, their brothers, and their countrymen to the U.S. and Israel so the people of the Gulf region are more likely to listen to the voice in Iran than to the sellouts. Israel see this, Bush see this, and the Saudi's know this.

    As it stands now, it's not about Bush finding nukes, Iran has already admitted to nuclear facilities for energy purposes. Israel, too, has nuclear facilities but refuses to let IAEA inspect their sites. The purpose of any attack on Iran is because Bush/Israel/Saudi Arabia needs more than the possible destruction of Iran's nuclear facilities, Bush needs to have Iran's president dead.
    this was a fun rant.

    since when has Israel denied the IAEA ?
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    MrBrian wrote:
    By Ronen Bodoni - Tuesday 23rd of January 2007

    US Democratic presidential contender, Senator John Edwards, told Israelis Monday that the future of the United States was bound up with the future of the Jewish state.

    "Your future is our future," he said, speaking by live video to the Herzliya Conference near Tel Aviv.


    "Iran is serious about its threats," former US Senator John Edwards has told an audience in Israel.

    "The challenges in your own backyard – represent an unprecedented threat to the world and Israel," the candidate for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination told the Herzliya Conference, referring mainly to the Iranian threat.

    In his speech, Edwards criticised the United States' previous indifference to the Iranian issue, saying they have not done enough to deal with the threat.

    Hinting to possible military action, Edwards stressed that "in order to ensure Iran never gets nuclear weapons, all options must remain on table."

    On the recent UN Security Council's resolution against Iran, Edwards said more serious political and economic steps should be taken. "Iran must know that the world won’t back down," he said.

    Addressing the second Lebanon war , Edwards accused the Islamic Republic of having a significant role, saying Hizbullah was an instrument of Iran, and Iranian rockets were what made the organization's attack on Israel possible.

    Edwards also discussed Syria's recent calls for peace with Israel, saying that "talk is cheap," and that Syria was not doing enough to prove it was serious.

    The former senator also said that Syria has been a great source of destabilization in the area, from its support of Hizbullah and Hamas, to its relationship with Iran, and for this it should be held accountable.

    After opening his speech with great praise for Former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Edward's continued to express great appreciation for the Israeli people and the special bond between the two countries, saying it was "a bond that will never be broken."

    http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/world/?content_id=5400

    http://www.jnewswire.com/article/1593

    What's your point on posting this? Do you find it easier to use other people's words than your own?
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Last Exodus wrote:
    What's your point on posting this? Do you find it easier to use other people's words than your own?

    It's an article about a politican and a speech he gave, a guy who wants to lead the country. what's the problem?

    Also, who are you? you have 6 posts, 3 are directed to me, one in a thread a week old. who is this? don't be shy.

    is it easier to post under another username?
  • american
    american Posts: 55
    Is this the same John Edwards who said in 2004 that if we elect John Kerry, Christopher Reeve will walk again?
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    MrBrian wrote:
    I think the problem is that he does'nt see israel as a threat, which they are. He see's them as a friend, which they are not.

    Israeli spyring anyone? the many crimes israel commits? are these the friends you want?
    cops, jews, israel, americans...is there anyone you don't hate? seriously dude. enough already. get help....all this resentment is going to give you mental problems
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Sounds like the same garbage with blacks in America. Why is it that people can't smell their own shit? But they can smell other's like their lives depend on it.

    If Iran was anything like the "Evil Jew Haters" they are made out to be, there would be no Jews living in Iran.
    Do you ever read? Actually most of the Persians in my area are Jewish. Why? They were run out of Iran. My god how ignorant...That whole Holocaust Denial conference was not a small clue to you? You probably still believe the Blood Libel is alive and well...
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    MrBrian wrote:
    It's an article about a politican and a speech he gave, a guy who wants to lead the country. what's the problem?

    Also, who are you? you have 6 posts, 3 are directed to me, one in a thread a week old. who is this? don't be shy.

    is it easier to post under another username?


    googoo cachoob what's it to you? Your posts are offensive. Does it matter who I am? Who are you? Name? Address?
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    Last Exodus wrote:
    googoo cachoob what's it to you? Your posts are offensive. Does it matter who I am? Who are you? Name? Address?
    Last Exodus wrote:
    give me a fucking break. there is reasoned debate going on here? there is neither reason nor debate.

    Thank you.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Hezbollah was created as a result of the Israeli occupation of lebanon.
    Did you take History? Or just Syrian taught History. Dont poison these impressionable minds with your islamo-babble. Hezbollah was CREATED by Iran Knumbskull. This was after Israel and Lebanon and Jordan tossed the PLO out of Lebanon for good. Your friends Hezbollah murdered 250 or more Americans on a peace keeping mission and are an Iranian armed terrorist group and so acknowledged by all of the west as being so. How you think Israel created Hezbollah merely illustrates your lack of attendance at University, assuming you got into one....in the west.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Kann wrote:
    Thank you.
    For?

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