Edwards: Iran Threat Serious

Collin

jlew24asu wrote:

feel free to add to the debate at any time

Do you really think they are too stupid to make a bomb?

jlew24asu

MrBrian wrote:

Of course american did'nt use them after being attacked, it would make it too hard to reach the oil them.

there is oil in Afghanistan? I had no idea

jlew24asu

Collin wrote:

Do you really think they are too stupid to make a bomb?

yes

even flow?

jlew24asu wrote:

I was refering to a comment someone made about the US using nukes. please let the adults talk

Yes sir! Your comment still hand to be handed back to you.

Collin

jlew24asu wrote:

yes

I think that's stupid.

MrBrian

jlew24asu wrote:

there is oil in Afghanistan? I had no idea

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/18/01326.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1984459.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm

jlew24asu

Collin wrote:

I think that's stupid.

I know you are but what am I. listen kids i'm looking to have an intelligent discussion. you are wasting my time

jlew24asu

MrBrian wrote:

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/18/01326.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/1984459.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm

yea what about it? US could have nuked every city in Afghanistan and kept the pipeline untouched.

Collin

jlew24asu wrote:

I know you are but what am I. listen kids i'm looking to have an intelligent discussion. you are wasting my time

I gave my opinion. Obviously you disagree, no name for childish behaviour. And if I'm wasting your time put me on ignore or just don't read my posts.

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

hard to keep it a secret when the president and spirutal leader announce it. you make it sound like its a secret that Iran hates the jews, and America.

No, he said he hates the state of Israel, not Jews. There are Jews living comfortably in Iran. This is just one example of how the media backed by Abraham Foxman manages to twist everything into Jew Hate.

you really dont get it

I don't get your perception of reality. I think it's flawed in more ways than one.

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

No, he said he hates the state of Israel, not Jews. There are Jews living comfortably in Iran. This is just one example of how the media backed by Abraham Foxman manages to twist everything into Jew Hate.

Iran doesnt hate Jews? i'm glad you cleared that up for me.

read this. I can feel the love Iran has for Jews in Iran. and you think my logic is flawed?

Current status in Iran

Discrimination

Like other religious minorities in Iran, Jews suffer from officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing. According to the U.S. Department of State, Jews may not occupy senior positions in the government or the military and are prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school heads.

The anti‑Israel policies of the Iranian government, along with a perception among radical Muslims that all Jewish citizens support the State of Israel, create a hostile atmosphere for the Jewish community. In 2004, many Iranian newspapers noted the one-hundredth anniversary of the publishing of the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Jews often are the target of degrading caricatures in the Iranian press. Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.

The legal system also discriminates against religious minorities who receive lower awards than Muslims in injury and death lawsuits and incur heavier punishments. In 2002, the law was passed that made the amount of "blood money" (diyeh) paid by a perpetrator for killing or wounding a Christian, Jew, or Zoroastrian man the same as it would be for killing or wounding a Muslim.


In 2000, 10 of 13 Jews arrested in 1999 were convicted on charges of illegal contact with Israel, conspiracy to form an illegal organization, and recruiting agents. Along with two Muslim defendants, the 10 Jews received prison sentences ranging from 4 to 13 years. An appeals court subsequently overturned the convictions for forming an illegal organization and recruiting agents, but it upheld the convictions for illegal contacts with Israel with reduced sentences. One of the 10 was released in February 2001 and another in January 2002, both upon completion of their prison terms. Three additional prisoners were released before the end of their sentences in October 2002. In April 2003, it was announced that the last five were to be released. It is not clear if the eight who were released before the completion of their sentences were fully pardoned or were released provisionally.[29] Even though anti-Semitic acts are rare in Iran, the trial led to the rising of tensions against the Jewish community.[30] During and shortly after the trial, Jewish businesses in Tehran and Shiraz were targets of vandalism and boycotts, and Jewish persons reportedly have suffered personal harassment and intimidation.[29]

mammasan

Iran is a threat, but the problem is how do we handle that threat. I disagree with Edwards when he states that our future is intertwined with that of Israel's. If the Israeli state where to collapse tomorrow the US would still survive. To me, what Edwards is doing is the one thing I can't stand about our relationship with Israel and that is our unconditional support of them regardless of their actions. I see no harms in supporting Israel, but I see a great deal of harm when Israel undertakes some heavy handed military action against Palestine or Lebanon and the US sits their patting them on the back. Up until now I have been on the fence with Edwards, but if he is going to follow the status quo of supporting each and every one of Israel's action then there is no way in hell I would vote for him.

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

Iran doesnt hate Jews? i'm glad you cleared that up for me.

read this. I can feel the love Iran has for Jews in Iran. and you think my logic is flawed?

Current status in Iran

Discrimination

Like other religious minorities in Iran, Jews suffer from officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing. According to the U.S. Department of State, Jews may not occupy senior positions in the government or the military and are prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school heads.

The anti‑Israel policies of the Iranian government, along with a perception among radical Muslims that all Jewish citizens support the State of Israel, create a hostile atmosphere for the Jewish community. In 2004, many Iranian newspapers noted the one-hundredth anniversary of the publishing of the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Jews often are the target of degrading caricatures in the Iranian press. Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.

The legal system also discriminates against religious minorities who receive lower awards than Muslims in injury and death lawsuits and incur heavier punishments. In 2002, the law was passed that made the amount of "blood money" (diyeh) paid by a perpetrator for killing or wounding a Christian, Jew, or Zoroastrian man the same as it would be for killing or wounding a Muslim.


In 2000, 10 of 13 Jews arrested in 1999 were convicted on charges of illegal contact with Israel, conspiracy to form an illegal organization, and recruiting agents. Along with two Muslim defendants, the 10 Jews received prison sentences ranging from 4 to 13 years. An appeals court subsequently overturned the convictions for forming an illegal organization and recruiting agents, but it upheld the convictions for illegal contacts with Israel with reduced sentences. One of the 10 was released in February 2001 and another in January 2002, both upon completion of their prison terms. Three additional prisoners were released before the end of their sentences in October 2002. In April 2003, it was announced that the last five were to be released. It is not clear if the eight who were released before the completion of their sentences were fully pardoned or were released provisionally.[29] Even though anti-Semitic acts are rare in Iran, the trial led to the rising of tensions against the Jewish community.[30] During and shortly after the trial, Jewish businesses in Tehran and Shiraz were targets of vandalism and boycotts, and Jewish persons reportedly have suffered personal harassment and intimidation.[29]

Sounds like the same garbage with blacks in America. Why is it that people can't smell their own shit? But they can smell other's like their lives depend on it.

If Iran was anything like the "Evil Jew Haters" they are made out to be, there would be no Jews living in Iran.

jlew24asu

Ahnimus wrote:

Sounds like the same garbage with blacks in America.

wow, not even close.

Ahnimus wrote:

If Iran was anything like the "Evil Jew Haters" they are made out to be, there would be no Jews living in Iran.

Iran hates Israeli jews. persian jews have been around for thousands of years. they are more affiliated to the Persian empire then current Iran. they arent going to leave.

not4u

brrr... anyone else feel a draft?

jlew24asu

mammasan wrote:

Iran is a threat, but the problem is how do we handle that threat. I disagree with Edwards when he states that our future is intertwined with that of Israel's. If the Israeli state where to collapse tomorrow the US would still survive. To me, what Edwards is doing is the one thing I can't stand about our relationship with Israel and that is our unconditional support of them regardless of their actions. I see no harms in supporting Israel, but I see a great deal of harm when Israel undertakes some heavy handed military action against Palestine or Lebanon and the US sits their patting them on the back. Up until now I have been on the fence with Edwards, but if he is going to follow the status quo of supporting each and every one of Israel's action then there is no way in hell I would vote for him.

I see what you are saying. and it also proves that edwards will loose the nomination because of talk like this. but when you say...

mammasan wrote:

I see no harms in supporting Israel, but I see a great deal of harm when Israel undertakes some heavy handed military action against Palestine or Lebanon and the US sits their patting them on the back.

if you are referring to the last conflict with Lebanon, they are the ones who came over the border and kidnapped 2 soliders. Israel was defending itself. as fas as the shit with Palestine, Israel needs to show more constraint but they are also defending themselves against rocket attacks and suicide bombers

Ahnimus

jlew24asu wrote:

wow, not even close.

Oh right, America is the angel representing all that is glorious and holy.

Iran is the demon respresenting all that is evil and satanic.

I almost forgot, the two wrongs are not equal, and in-fact, America doesn't have any wrongs, only rights that appear wrong to those with open minds.

Iran hates Israeli jews. persian jews have been around for thousands of years. they are more affiliated to the Persian empire then current Iran. they arent going to leave.

Yea, so, Iran hates Israel. It's nothing to do with the race/religion it's to do with the Israeli politics.

mammasan

jlew24asu wrote:

if you are referring to the last conflict with Lebanon, they are the ones who came over the border and kidnapped 2 soliders. Israel was defending itself. as fas as the shit with Palestine, Israel needs to show more constraint but they are also defending themselves against rocket attacks and suicide bombers

Hezbollah came over the border not the Lebonese military. Look at the situation in Lebonan. The government is struggling against insurmountable public pressure and their is a good possiblity that a pro-Syrian government can regain control. Israel's attacks on Lebanon made a fragile government look week against the all power Israeli army. Israel needed to show some restraint in that situation and they didn't. Lebanon was on the road to becoming a pro-western government, along the lines of Egypt and Jordan. It would have been one less enemy that Israel had to deal with in the region. Now that may not happen and Israel accomplished nothing. They didn't get their troops back. Hezbollah is still in existance and what's worse is that Syria is now gaining more influence in Lebonese government. Israel does have the right to defend itself but it has to be smart about it. Brute shear force is not always the answer to every situation.

Ahnimus

mammasan wrote:

Hezbollah came over the border not the Lebonese military. Look at the situation in Lebonan. The government is struggling against insurmountable public pressure and their is a good possiblity that a pro-Syrian government can regain control. Israel's attacks on Lebanon made a fragile government look week against the all power Israeli army. Israel needed to show some restraint in that situation and they didn't. Lebanon was on the road to becoming a pro-western government, along the lines of Egypt and Jordan. It would have been one less enemy that Israel had to deal with in the region. Now that may not happen and Israel accomplished nothing. They didn't get their troops back. Hezbollah is still in existance and what's worse is that Syria is now gaining more influence in Lebonese government. Israel does have the right to defend itself but it has to be smart about it. Brute shear force is not always the answer to every situation.

Or any situation. Iraq is the same story. "Iraq has ties to Al-Qaeda" remember that line, and now it's more like "Iraq is run by Al-Qaeda" because the war made it possible.

jlew24asu

mammasan wrote:

Hezbollah came over the border not the Lebonese military.

right thats what I meant. I actually feel bad for the lebonanese government. Hezbollah has fucked up that country.

mammasan wrote:

Look at the situation in Lebonan. The government is struggling against insurmountable public pressure and their is a good possiblity that a pro-Syrian government can regain control. Israel's attacks on Lebanon made a fragile government look week against the all power Israeli army. Israel needed to show some restraint in that situation and they didn't. Lebanon was on the road to becoming a pro-western government, along the lines of Egypt and Jordan. It would have been one less enemy that Israel had to deal with in the region. Now that may not happen and Israel accomplished nothing. They didn't get their troops back. Hezbollah is still in existance and what's worse is that Syria is now gaining more influence in Lebonese government. Israel does have the right to defend itself but it has to be smart about it. Brute shear force is not always the answer to every situation.

I'm not ready to blame Israel for this mess although they should have gone about things differently.