Abuse of Power

onelongsong

MrBrian wrote:

I was confronted by a couple of officers, they started to get extremely aggressive (physical contact) . at one point I told them (so they would stop) that I had a cell phone that records video and that I was going to start recording things.

They informed me that if I did that, I would be arrested because "it is against the law to record someone without them knowing". This is what they tell me.

Now I was not fully aware of that, but I figure anyway that even if that is true, I don't think it would be a problem as long as It was of someone breaking the law or doing some sort of injustice, recording would be just fine, I mean imagine, my righst or someone elses are being violated and then I get thrown in jail for wanting to record it for proof. nevertheless I did'nt make the move for my phone.

I even got the cuffs waved in my face. I told them repeatedly "I know my rights". They then demanded to see my license and reg, (this was not a traffic stop) I asked them what for, they demanded again and threatened me again with arrest.

Now this all happened in a parking lot, right as I got out of my car to head into the mall. I had done nothing wrong, they just decided to go after me, no emergencies in the area or anything, it was perhaps just a case of profiling, angry cops, I don't know for sure, what I do know is that none of this was warranted. (I did some research after and nothing was going on in the area, no robbers running around or whatever else, these officers were just hanging around)

I gave them my license and one of the officers starts to check my record out? He jumps out of his car and yells "You are not even an American! what rights do you think you have?" I guess when he pulled my file it shows "non citezen" (I'm canadian but live in the US due to work)

How can they speak to people like this? how can they say these things?

anyway, They knew that I did'nt do anything wrong so they had nothing to ticket me for, then they started searching for things, looking into my car and such.

Now after they find nothing on me he even demands that I move my car to another space! No reason given expect "because I said so!" ....I mean if it was for an emergency I would've gladly moved it, but it was all abuse of power on their part. They just wanted to show that they had power over me....

But fine,I moved my car to another spot (next parking space was about 500 meters from the malls entrance), the only reason I moved was because I wanted to fight this injustice off the streets, in a court room, via the rules.

I asked for badge numbers, they laughed and said "we don't even have any"
Fine, they had name tags so I took one of the officers names down. I asked for supervisor contact info, they refused.

It pretty much ended at that point,I went on my way and later found a professional standards line for situations like this, the office was closed so I waited until the weekday to file my greivence. I was infact not even going to follow this up but it bothered me so much when I thought about what they did and how many other people they may of done it to, people are scared to complain and fight for was is right, I just had to take the issue up.

Now I've been in hard situations with officers a couple times before (anti war rally and once during a traffic violation when I asked to see the radar gun), after each time i'm always learning more about my rights,laws and procedure. But none of that matters, I have rights, but when the injustice is happening, the only one with the rights is the person with the gun.

anyway, some extra details about what happened, after I found another space and got into the mall a guy about my age (in his 20's) came up to me and said "I saw what happened, if you need me, i'm a witness, they can't get away with this" we exchanged contact info.

Now a week or so goes by, I get around to making my complaint. a couple weeks later I get a call from a supervisor and he opens up an investigation.

He contacts my witness, the witness tells the supervisor how physical the two officers got with me, this guy (my witness) was angry himself about what he saw. he demanded justice.

Now this happened just over a month ago, the investigation into regarding the officer started about two weeks ago. I did'nt post what happened on the forums because I was waiting for this situation to resolve. well now it has.

about a week ago the one officer in question (of abuse and violating rules) was killed after driving his motorcycle into the back of a construction truck on the highway. On his own personal bike, no helmet and apparently traveling at unsafe speeds for where he was. just right into the back of A truck.

I heard the story on the news, it was all over the news.

Today I got a call from the division saying that the investgation can obvioulsy not go on and the case is closed.
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first of all; you can tape or photograph anything done in public. a few years back a couple of girls sued when they found out that pictures of them flashing were published. the pictures were taken in public and the suit dismissed.
secondly; you can dial 911 and leave the line open. the incident will be recorded. you have good cause to do this because you had 2 men posing as police officers. if they fail to identify themselves; you have every right to assume they're imposters.

NMyTree

Jeanwah wrote:

Your story Brian is the primary reason I hate cops. They think they're above the law on every level. It's ironic that your story ends the way it does. Not many police have a karma episode like yours. Most never get what they deserve (dismissal or discipline for harassment, assault or the like.)

I worked with Law Enforcement officers for several years. Including some FBI guys.

Not all are like that. In Fact, I found most cops are good people doing a difficult job.

The Illinoisemakers

Rushlimbo wrote:

Sounds like justice has been served. Karma can be cold.

Are you kidding me? Because this cop was a dick to mcbrian he deserved to die. Granted the cop sounded like he was way out of line in how he dealt with mcbrian, but that really warranted death. Sounds like this guy deserved some type of reprimand from his superiors or maybe a suspension. Talk about cold blooded.

onelongsong

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Are you kidding me? Because this cop was a dick to mcbrian he deserved to die. Granted the cop sounded like he was way out of line in how he dealt with mcbrian, but that really warranted death. Sounds like this guy deserved some type of reprimand from his superiors or maybe a suspension. Talk about cold blooded.

maybe he was abusive to so many people; he did deserve to die. we only know of one incident.

The Illinoisemakers

onelongsong wrote:

maybe he was abusive to so many people; he did deserve to die. we only know of one incident.

Yeah or maybe he was having a bad day because his kitten died, or maybe Mcbrian had just robbed a bank and the cop thought he looked suspicious. None of us know what the guy was like, and none of us were at the confrontation between Mcbrian and that cop. So to suggest he deserved to die because of one incident we know of, and the speculation of others is stupid.

Jeanwah

NMyTree wrote:

I worked with Law Enforcement officers for several years. Including some FBI guys.

Not all are like that. In Fact, I found most cops are good people doing a difficult job.

Then I guess it's just where I live. All of them here treat citizens with disrespect, and can be downright assholes.

prljmfan92502

Every Dog Has It's Day!

MrBrian

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Yeah or maybe he was having a bad day because his kitten died, or maybe Mrbrian had just robbed a bank and the cop thought he looked suspicious.

When my cat died, I did'nt go pushing people around. we all have bad days, we all have problems.

But fine, maybe I looked suspicious, but after everything checked out and they saw I was clean and had done nothing wrong, it's not liked they left me alone.

trappedinmyradio

MrBrian wrote:

When my cat died, I did'nt go pushing people around. we all have bad days, we all have problems.

But fine, maybe I looked suspicious, but after everything checked out and they saw I was clean and had done nothing wrong, it's not liked they left me alone.

when you start saying stuff about your rights, cops get nervous...

citizen_drew

MrBrian wrote:

. just right into the back of A truck.

I heard the story on the news, it was all over the news.

Today I got a call from the division saying that the investgation can obvioulsy not go on and the case is closed.
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Yeah that is fucked up. You should never speed at night on a bike because you can’t see what’s in front of you until it’s too late. I was cruising across the Nevada desert at night one time on a rice-rocket, highbeams on, along with my excellent night vision, when a deer appeared in the middle of the road dead, laying perpendicular to my path. There wasn’t time to do anything except acknowledge what it was, thought I was history for sure. The handle bars raised up to about helmet level and back down in an instant, the engine didn’t miss an rpm as there was no time to brake or adjust throttle, I looked down
At the speedometer and it’s sitting right on 105 mph…hehe.

Anyways, all kinds of lessons learned from your story and the input of others…

trappedinmyradio

MrBrian wrote:

Well I had hope that the investigation would give me those answers.

so when an officer asks you to move your car for no reason, just to show off his power, you do it? well, I did. he asked me for my reg and licence, I asked what for, I mean it was not a traffic stop. But I did anyway and in the process having them crowd me like i'm a criminal, and this "unless you have something to hide" is a fairly pathetic stance, we have laws, we have rights, it's not what i'm trying to hide, it's what i'm trying to protect.

a police officer asking you for your license and registration is pretty standard...it's not a big deal...acting like it is is ridiculous. having to show proof that you are a licensed driver and driving a car registered to you or someone you know (and is not stolen) is not something you need to be protected against.

you talk about how the officers were physical with you...how were they physical with you? were you thrown on the hood of a car? were you handcuffed? were you tossed into the back of the car?

i hope you ever get your house robbed...you know...because police officers come in quite handy in that situation.

yes, they were probably rogue officers that bring dishonor to the badge...but, officers deal with punk kids all the time that think they know their rights...well, like i said before, if a cop asks you to do something, do it. don't start whining about your rights on the scene. if you think you are being harassed you take it up in court. why? the only thing whining on the scene will do is get more shit heaped on you.

for the people that think i want a police state...or that think they know me...give it a rest. you have no clue. just like 99% of the people here have no idea what police officers go through everyday.

when you've been thrown in a car and arrested and tossed around a jail house then you can talk to me about harassment. but, when you act like a punk whining about your rights because you were asked for your license and registration, i have no sympathy for you.

The Illinoisemakers

MrBrian wrote:

When my cat died, I did'nt go pushing people around. we all have bad days, we all have problems.

But fine, maybe I looked suspicious, but after everything checked out and they saw I was clean and had done nothing wrong, it's not liked they left me alone.

I'm sure you weren't doing anything out of the ordinary that day. The cop sounded like he was an ass. But when others say his death is karma for treating you poorly, which he shouldn't have done, its pathetic on their part.

trappedinmyradio

icarus wrote:

and they should.

cops are here to serve US, not the other way around.

people that whine about their rights around cops fit into a profile...that's just the way the world is...

if you did nothing wrong, then prove your licensed and registered and you will be on your way.

Collin

trappedinmyradio wrote:

people that whine about their rights around cops fit into a profile...that's just the way the world is...

if you did nothing wrong, then prove your licensed and registered and you will be on your way.

Did you even read the story?

MrBrian

trappedinmyradio wrote:

people that whine about their rights around cops fit into a profile...that's just the way the world is...

if you did nothing wrong, then prove your licensed and registered and you will be on your way.

But I did, I was still not just let on my way, what part are you having trouble with?

I mentioned my rights mainly thinking that they would understand that they would not be able to get away with any abuse. I said it also to thinking it would prevent them from carrying on with the aggression, same reason why I mentioned the video.

At one point he had his foot hard againt mine. He took his finger and pinned it in my arm. then he said "we can touch you in many ways" they proceeded (both of them) to push my chest and arm.
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trappedinmyradio

Collin wrote:

Did you even read the story?

i like how you assume i didn't read the original post...i did...THAT'S HOW YOU FORM A CONCLUSION!

trappedinmyradio

MrBrian wrote:

But I did, I was still not just let on my way, what part are you having trouble with?

I mentioned my rights mainly thinking that they would understand that they would not be able to get away with any abuse. I said it also to thinking it would prevent them from carrying on with the aggression, same reason why I mentioned the video.

At one point he had his foot hard againt mine. He took his finger and pinned it in my arm. then he said "we can touch you in many ways" they proceeded (both of them) to push my chest and arm.
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so, you went into it thinking that they were going to abuse your rights somehow...why would you say that? what does it do? if they touched you in an aggressive manner, then that was wrong...but, what is so hard about proving you are licensed and registered?

Collin

trappedinmyradio wrote:

i like how you assume i didn't read the original post...i did...THAT'S HOW YOU FORM A CONCLUSION!

Super. I know you read it.

I just had the impression you thought MrBrian did something wrong, which I think is weird.

JamMastaE

in English with heavy German accent "PAPERS PLEASE!!!!"


this is America not Nazi Germany,we don't need these gestapo thugs fucking with us when we are being peaceful

trappedinmyradio

Collin wrote:

Super. I know you read it.

I just had the impression you thought MrBrian did something wrong, which I think is weird.

no, i don't think he did anything wrong. since he didn't, and had nothing to hide, i don't think it's a problem to show that you are licensed and registered.

if the cops put their hands on him, that's something different. i wasn't there. i am just going by what i've read here.

my point is this...if you're asked for your license and registration and then start saying that you know your rights...there becomes a perception that you have something to hide...

i still want to know what is so hard about proving you are licensed and registered...