Abuse of Power
MrBrian
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I was confronted by a couple of officers, they started to get extremely aggressive (physical contact) . at one point I told them (so they would stop) that I had a cell phone that records video and that I was going to start recording things.
They informed me that if I did that, I would be arrested because "it is against the law to record someone without them knowing". This is what they tell me.
Now I was not fully aware of that, but I figure anyway that even if that is true, I don't think it would be a problem as long as It was of someone breaking the law or doing some sort of injustice, recording would be just fine, I mean imagine, my righst or someone elses are being violated and then I get thrown in jail for wanting to record it for proof. nevertheless I did'nt make the move for my phone.
I even got the cuffs waved in my face. I told them repeatedly "I know my rights". They then demanded to see my license and reg, (this was not a traffic stop) I asked them what for, they demanded again and threatened me again with arrest.
Now this all happened in a parking lot, right as I got out of my car to head into the mall. I had done nothing wrong, they just decided to go after me, no emergencies in the area or anything, it was perhaps just a case of profiling, angry cops, I don't know for sure, what I do know is that none of this was warranted. (I did some research after and nothing was going on in the area, no robbers running around or whatever else, these officers were just hanging around)
I gave them my license and one of the officers starts to check my record out? He jumps out of his car and yells "You are not even an American! what rights do you think you have?" I guess when he pulled my file it shows "non citezen" (I'm canadian but live in the US due to work)
How can they speak to people like this? how can they say these things?
anyway, They knew that I did'nt do anything wrong so they had nothing to ticket me for, then they started searching for things, looking into my car and such.
Now after they find nothing on me he even demands that I move my car to another space! No reason given expect "because I said so!" ....I mean if it was for an emergency I would've gladly moved it, but it was all abuse of power on their part. They just wanted to show that they had power over me....
But fine,I moved my car to another spot (next parking space was about 500 meters from the malls entrance), the only reason I moved was because I wanted to fight this injustice off the streets, in a court room, via the rules.
I asked for badge numbers, they laughed and said "we don't even have any"
Fine, they had name tags so I took one of the officers names down. I asked for supervisor contact info, they refused.
It pretty much ended at that point,I went on my way and later found a professional standards line for situations like this, the office was closed so I waited until the weekday to file my greivence. I was infact not even going to follow this up but it bothered me so much when I thought about what they did and how many other people they may of done it to, people are scared to complain and fight for was is right, I just had to take the issue up.
Now I've been in hard situations with officers a couple times before (anti war rally and once during a traffic violation when I asked to see the radar gun), after each time i'm always learning more about my rights,laws and procedure. But none of that matters, I have rights, but when the injustice is happening, the only one with the rights is the person with the gun.
anyway, some extra details about what happened, after I found another space and got into the mall a guy about my age (in his 20's) came up to me and said "I saw what happened, if you need me, i'm a witness, they can't get away with this" we exchanged contact info.
Now a week or so goes by, I get around to making my complaint. a couple weeks later I get a call from a supervisor and he opens up an investigation.
He contacts my witness, the witness tells the supervisor how physical the two officers got with me, this guy (my witness) was angry himself about what he saw. he demanded justice.
Now this happened just over a month ago, the investigation into regarding the officer started about two weeks ago. I did'nt post what happened on the forums because I was waiting for this situation to resolve. well now it has.
about a week ago the one officer in question (of abuse and violating rules) was killed after driving his motorcycle into the back of a construction truck on the highway. On his own personal bike, no helmet and apparently traveling at unsafe speeds for where he was. just right into the back of A truck.
I heard the story on the news, it was all over the news.
Today I got a call from the division saying that the investgation can obvioulsy not go on and the case is closed.
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They informed me that if I did that, I would be arrested because "it is against the law to record someone without them knowing". This is what they tell me.
Now I was not fully aware of that, but I figure anyway that even if that is true, I don't think it would be a problem as long as It was of someone breaking the law or doing some sort of injustice, recording would be just fine, I mean imagine, my righst or someone elses are being violated and then I get thrown in jail for wanting to record it for proof. nevertheless I did'nt make the move for my phone.
I even got the cuffs waved in my face. I told them repeatedly "I know my rights". They then demanded to see my license and reg, (this was not a traffic stop) I asked them what for, they demanded again and threatened me again with arrest.
Now this all happened in a parking lot, right as I got out of my car to head into the mall. I had done nothing wrong, they just decided to go after me, no emergencies in the area or anything, it was perhaps just a case of profiling, angry cops, I don't know for sure, what I do know is that none of this was warranted. (I did some research after and nothing was going on in the area, no robbers running around or whatever else, these officers were just hanging around)
I gave them my license and one of the officers starts to check my record out? He jumps out of his car and yells "You are not even an American! what rights do you think you have?" I guess when he pulled my file it shows "non citezen" (I'm canadian but live in the US due to work)
How can they speak to people like this? how can they say these things?
anyway, They knew that I did'nt do anything wrong so they had nothing to ticket me for, then they started searching for things, looking into my car and such.
Now after they find nothing on me he even demands that I move my car to another space! No reason given expect "because I said so!" ....I mean if it was for an emergency I would've gladly moved it, but it was all abuse of power on their part. They just wanted to show that they had power over me....
But fine,I moved my car to another spot (next parking space was about 500 meters from the malls entrance), the only reason I moved was because I wanted to fight this injustice off the streets, in a court room, via the rules.
I asked for badge numbers, they laughed and said "we don't even have any"
Fine, they had name tags so I took one of the officers names down. I asked for supervisor contact info, they refused.
It pretty much ended at that point,I went on my way and later found a professional standards line for situations like this, the office was closed so I waited until the weekday to file my greivence. I was infact not even going to follow this up but it bothered me so much when I thought about what they did and how many other people they may of done it to, people are scared to complain and fight for was is right, I just had to take the issue up.
Now I've been in hard situations with officers a couple times before (anti war rally and once during a traffic violation when I asked to see the radar gun), after each time i'm always learning more about my rights,laws and procedure. But none of that matters, I have rights, but when the injustice is happening, the only one with the rights is the person with the gun.
anyway, some extra details about what happened, after I found another space and got into the mall a guy about my age (in his 20's) came up to me and said "I saw what happened, if you need me, i'm a witness, they can't get away with this" we exchanged contact info.
Now a week or so goes by, I get around to making my complaint. a couple weeks later I get a call from a supervisor and he opens up an investigation.
He contacts my witness, the witness tells the supervisor how physical the two officers got with me, this guy (my witness) was angry himself about what he saw. he demanded justice.
Now this happened just over a month ago, the investigation into regarding the officer started about two weeks ago. I did'nt post what happened on the forums because I was waiting for this situation to resolve. well now it has.
about a week ago the one officer in question (of abuse and violating rules) was killed after driving his motorcycle into the back of a construction truck on the highway. On his own personal bike, no helmet and apparently traveling at unsafe speeds for where he was. just right into the back of A truck.
I heard the story on the news, it was all over the news.
Today I got a call from the division saying that the investgation can obvioulsy not go on and the case is closed.
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I was thinking the exact same thing.
What a shitty thing Mr. Brian had to go through. I wish this were an isolated incident. Unfortunately, many cops seem to have this authoritarian mentality. It sounds like they were on an unsuccesful fishing trip. I applaud Mr. Brian for pursuing it after the fact, and am not sorry that an asshole cop isn't in a position to screw around with people anymore.
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
As far as my story goes, I really only care now about further learning the laws and my rights. People who know my story now, they themselves have taken steps to understand the rules and laws. They are scared, infact things like this has happened to some of them before, they just did'nt know about the professional division line and so on. Now they do, that is important.
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This is his story,
Off-Duty Deputy Killed In Motorcycle Crash
Henry Pierson Curtis
Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted January 18 2007
The motorcycling death of an Orange County deputy demonstrated early Wednesday what authorities say is the fatal attraction ultra-fast sport bikes hold over older as well as younger riders.
How fast 39-year-old Deputy was going when his Kawasaki Ninja disintegrated on Interstate 4 awaits a crash reconstruction.
The wreckage, though, suggests blistering speed.
On Wednesday, The Deputy was off duty and riding without a helmet at 2 a.m. when he struck the rear of a slow-moving, brightly illuminated safety truck.
Visible for at least a quarter-mile, the westbound truck near Sand Lake Road was protecting a road crew replacing lane-marker reflectors. Other motorists who claimed they had been driving about 60 mph just before the crash told troopers the motorcycle passed them "at a high rate of speed."
The impact threw his body about 200 feet, reports show.
Hours later, Sheriff Kevin Beary spoke about the death and called him "a quality cop."
Beary noted that the deputy served as a sniper in the Marine Corps before joining the Flagler County Sheriff's Office in the late 1990s. Two years ago, he transferred to Orange County and hoped to join the agency's motorcycle unit.
"It's a tragedy anytime you lose a police officer," the sheriff said.
An auto mechanic before he became a deputy in 1998, Long outfitted his motorcycle with a Dynojet Power Commander computer to boost the 178-horsepower, 1,199 cubic-centimeter engine by as much as 10 percent, according to interviews.
The remains of the bike were impounded at a towing storage yard in Winter Garden until FHP traffic-homicide investigators try to download speed information from the onboard computer.
"Hell of a license plate," tow-truck operator Brad Conner commented on seeing Long's vanity tag -- "BULLIT" -- in the pile of wreckage in The Car Store's fenced lot.
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Maybe what this officer did to me he did many times to others? maybe it was his first time? maybe he killed many people while being a sniper in the marines?
Whatever it is, I hold nothing against him at this point, my friends think i'm crazy for saything that. But it's true, I mean he's dead now and gone. All I wanted was justice, I guess that's the form it took.
Other officers are around now and living who will themselves break the law, that is now my concern. I hope people will always report abuse of power and stand up for what is right and whatever happens After, will happen.
from my window to yours
I figured as much at the time but felt that since they had hand on gun, making any move towards my pocket would result in a shooting, regardless of the fact that I said I wanted to record it. It could've been an excuse they used later. "he was reaching for his pocket"
So I tried my best to handle the situation with care. But thanks, it's good to know for sure that I could've recorded it.
yeah we know you like to bow down and take it up the ass,dip-shits like you welcome a police state.
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
Well I had hope that the investigation would give me those answers.
so when an officer asks you to move your car for no reason, just to show off his power, you do it? well, I did. he asked me for my reg and licence, I asked what for, I mean it was not a traffic stop. But I did anyway and in the process having them crowd me like i'm a criminal, and this "unless you have something to hide" is a fairly pathetic stance, we have laws, we have rights, it's not what i'm trying to hide, it's what i'm trying to protect.
AMEN BROTHER!!
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
Are you non-white?
Call me sick, twisted, whatever....But Karma sure has a way or rearing it's ugly head.
And the fact he was in the marines...................yeah, you can see where the attitude and power trip came from.
Happens here too. I was walking with a friend (he's from North Africa) and these cops ask us to show id. We asked why and they said it didn't matter and we had to show them. My friend said we didn't do anything wrong and if they couldn't give a reason we weren't going to show our id. They couldn't give a reason so we walked away.
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I wonder why they approached you in the first place. Would be interesting to know.
Something similiar to you happened to me a few years back and luckily for me I knew what a cop could and could not do because of my brother-in-law. The officer triesd to search my vehicle with no cause. I wouldn't let him and he became very confrontational. I told him that I was going to call my brother-in-law, was a police officer, and ask him what my rights where. The minute I mentioned that he backed off and let me go. I asked him for his badge number and he refused. Again I stated that I would call my brother-in-law to ask. He simply walked away and got into his cruiser at took off. I managed to get the number on the plates. Went down to the station the next day, with my brother-in-law in tow, and filed a report. The guy only got a reprimand in his file, but it felt good to know that i stuck it to this asshole. So good for you for not letting these power crazed assholes think they can bully the public around simply because they have a badge.
Yeah, at the time I was pretty sure of the rules they were breaking, but at that point, what could I of done? They did'nt care, they just went on and on.
all my rights were gone. I really felt it.
You know one of the last things I said to him as I walked away was "it does'nt pay to be a loser"....When I spoke and filed my complaint telling the supervisor the story, he asked me why I told the deputy that (it does'nt pay thing), I said because to me, this deputy acted like a loser and sometimes when you do bad things to people, bad things happen to you in return. Kinda
like a karma thing. (Like some of you guy's already mentioned in this thread)
haunting words now that I think about it.
Now come on not all cops are like this. I've run into many cops that aren't on a power trip. Those guys are just assholes and would be whether they were cops or not.
Brian, I had a similar experience. Long story short, I was pulled over by what turned out to be "school cops" and was given a ticket for going 85 in a 35 zone. The laws of physics made this to be impossible but he gave me the ticket anyways and when I went to court to fight it, the douchebag never filed it. Like your cops, I hope Karma kicked his ass.;)
There's plenty of douche-bag cops out there.
Glad you came out of it okay, without any thing worse.
Mammasan pretty much touched on everything else I was going to say.
first of all; you can tape or photograph anything done in public. a few years back a couple of girls sued when they found out that pictures of them flashing were published. the pictures were taken in public and the suit dismissed.
secondly; you can dial 911 and leave the line open. the incident will be recorded. you have good cause to do this because you had 2 men posing as police officers. if they fail to identify themselves; you have every right to assume they're imposters.
I worked with Law Enforcement officers for several years. Including some FBI guys.
Not all are like that. In Fact, I found most cops are good people doing a difficult job.
Are you kidding me? Because this cop was a dick to mcbrian he deserved to die. Granted the cop sounded like he was way out of line in how he dealt with mcbrian, but that really warranted death. Sounds like this guy deserved some type of reprimand from his superiors or maybe a suspension. Talk about cold blooded.
maybe he was abusive to so many people; he did deserve to die. we only know of one incident.
Yeah or maybe he was having a bad day because his kitten died, or maybe Mcbrian had just robbed a bank and the cop thought he looked suspicious. None of us know what the guy was like, and none of us were at the confrontation between Mcbrian and that cop. So to suggest he deserved to die because of one incident we know of, and the speculation of others is stupid.
Then I guess it's just where I live. All of them here treat citizens with disrespect, and can be downright assholes.
When my cat died, I did'nt go pushing people around. we all have bad days, we all have problems.
But fine, maybe I looked suspicious, but after everything checked out and they saw I was clean and had done nothing wrong, it's not liked they left me alone.
when you start saying stuff about your rights, cops get nervous...
from my window to yours
Yeah that is fucked up. You should never speed at night on a bike because you can’t see what’s in front of you until it’s too late. I was cruising across the Nevada desert at night one time on a rice-rocket, highbeams on, along with my excellent night vision, when a deer appeared in the middle of the road dead, laying perpendicular to my path. There wasn’t time to do anything except acknowledge what it was, thought I was history for sure. The handle bars raised up to about helmet level and back down in an instant, the engine didn’t miss an rpm as there was no time to brake or adjust throttle, I looked down
At the speedometer and it’s sitting right on 105 mph…hehe.
Anyways, all kinds of lessons learned from your story and the input of others…