Police officer slows down speeding biker

The Long Road

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

update...there's another beating

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07292008/news/regionalnews/2nd_video_gives_nypd_black_eye_122136.htm

I guarantee you hear nothing from Sharpton because the cop administering the beating was black.

MLC2006

just a quick read on "Critical Mass" on wiki. looks like their MO is cutting off vehicular traffic, for whatever reason. the report said that this particular guy was weaving in and out of traffic trying to get vehicles to slam on brakes or change directions to keep from hitting him. that sounds like a way to get someone seriously injured. note also that probably a dozen cyclists went by the cops without incident....it was this one particular guy. so, if he was in fact cutting traffic off, then this cop should get a pat on the back for a job well done.

The Long Road

MLC2006 wrote:

just a quick read on "Critical Mass" on wiki. looks like their MO is cutting off vehicular traffic, for whatever reason. the report said that this particular guy was weaving in and out of traffic trying to get vehicles to slam on brakes or change directions to keep from hitting him. that sounds like a way to get someone seriously injured. note also that probably a dozen cyclists went by the cops without incident....it was this one particular guy. so, if he was in fact cutting traffic off, then this cop should get a pat on the back for a job well done.

I agree. I'll go even further and say that I think there are a good amount of people in NY lately that have been finding a way to GET PAID. Any abuse by a cop (especially in liberal NYC) is an easy way to make money nowadays. Q: What is the answer to 99 out of 100 questions? A: MONEY!

jeffbr

MLC2006 wrote:

just a quick read on "Critical Mass" on wiki. looks like their MO is cutting off vehicular traffic, for whatever reason. the report said that this particular guy was weaving in and out of traffic trying to get vehicles to slam on brakes or change directions to keep from hitting him. that sounds like a way to get someone seriously injured. note also that probably a dozen cyclists went by the cops without incident....it was this one particular guy. so, if he was in fact cutting traffic off, then this cop should get a pat on the back for a job well done.

Well, as a police officer I think he has an obligation to uphold the law, not break it.

But as I said in my previous post in this thread, I think the Critical Mass people are assholes, and their cause is counter productive. I have a nice "brush guard" on the front of my Durango and I'm sure would have no trouble moving some of those douchebags out of my way if necessary. Even reputable bicycle organizations in Seattle don't condone the Critical Mass people. They may raise awareness of bikes, but they also raise dislike. Instead of antagonizing, they should actually obey the traffic laws and co-exist with automobiles, just as they would like autos to co-exist with them.

Here's what the fuckers did in Seattle over the weekend:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008078611_criticalmass29m.html

MLC2006

jeffbr wrote:

Well, as a police officer I think he has an obligation to uphold the law, not break it.

see, that's the problem, you're assuming the cop is breaking the law, and that's not clear. supposedly, the guy was weaving in and out of lanes to cut vehicles off. now, he clearly showed no sign of stopping for the cop as he was making evasive maneuvors to avoid the cop. if he was indeed cutting off traffic, the cop was obligated to stop him.

now, here's a scenario.....the cop sees the guy cutting off traffic and does nothing to stop him. 1 or 2 blocks down the street, the guy cuts off another vehicle which swerves and hits a group of people killing one or two of them. that happens, the first thing that's going to be said is, "why the fuck didn't cop stop him?". then, the cop will be fired and most definitely be sued by the victims' families. that's the problem with this "digital evidence" referenced by others.....it keeps half the story and ignores the rest of the story.

MLC2006

hartamh wrote:

I saw this on the news this morning. You can clearly see the cop went after this guy. Thanks for camera's catching this.

yes, you can see the cop's went after this guy. which is something that cops do when a crime has been committed. and once again, note that the cops did go after the other 30 cyclists that went by them to begin with. if the cop just wanted to tackle somebody, there were at least 3-4 that got close enough that he would've barely had to move. but no, he went out of his way to talk 10-15 feet over to tackle this one particular guy. that indicates to me that this one particular guy did something he shouldn't have done. call me crazy.

jeffbr

MLC2006 wrote:

see, that's the problem, you're assuming the cop is breaking the law, and that's not clear. supposedly, the guy was weaving in and out of lanes to cut vehicles off. now, he clearly showed no sign of stopping for the cop as he was making evasive maneuvors to avoid the cop. if he was indeed cutting off traffic, the cop was obligated to stop him.

now, here's a scenario.....the cop sees the guy cutting off traffic and does nothing to stop him. 1 or 2 blocks down the street, the guy cuts off another vehicle which swerves and hits a group of people killing one or two of them. that happens, the first thing that's going to be said is, "why the fuck didn't cop stop him?". then, the cop will be fired and most definitely be sued by the victims' families. that's the problem with this "digital evidence" referenced by others.....it keeps half the story and ignores the rest of the story.

Fine, then why did that pig lie on his report if he hadn't done anything wrong?

He clearly falsified a report. Video evidence exposed his lie. He has now been suspended.

norm

jeffbr wrote:

Fine, then why did that pig lie on his report if he hadn't done anything wrong?

He clearly falsified a report. Video evidence exposed his lie. He has now been suspended.

exactly.....yes the cyclists are morons but the cop is the bigger n=moron for lowing himself to their level...cop deserves to be fired and charged with assult

RolandTD20Kdrummer

How Ironic...

"Critical Mass is a bicycling event typically held on the last Friday of every month in cities around the world. While the ride was originally founded with the idea of drawing attention to how unfriendly the city was to bicyclists"

MLC2006

jeffbr wrote:

Fine, then why did that pig lie on his report if he hadn't done anything wrong?

He clearly falsified a report. Video evidence exposed his lie. He has now been suspended.

good to see how unbiased you are using "that pig". I don't know what's in his police report. It appeared to me that he made an effort to stop the guy and the guy clearly made an evasive maneuvor to avoid being stopped, so he was then forcibly stopped. I would hope that was written in the report. unless you have some new info that I've not seen, the cop has not been suspended....he's been put on desk duty until further investigation.

jeffbr

MLC2006 wrote:

good to see how unbiased you are using "that pig". I don't know what's in his police report. It appeared to me that he made an effort to stop the guy and the guy clearly made an evasive maneuvor to avoid being stopped, so he was then forcibly stopped. I would hope that was written in the report. unless you have some new info that I've not seen, the cop has not been suspended....he's been put on desk duty until further investigation.

I think any "peace officer" who goes out of his way to abuse his power is a pig. While we're on the subject, I also hold traffic cops in the lowest possible regard - nothing but armed revenue agents. I think detectives, and officers who actually solve crime are amazing and should be held in the highest esteem.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Wen something is approaching you and you want it to stop you hold your hands out to indicate stop like a traffic cop. They were standing in the middle of traffic afterall.

It's a pretty universal understanding the world around.

You stand in the middle of moving traffic and wish to oppose it, you need to observe some simple rules of communication prior to exercising violence as an option in conveying yourself as a human being.

it's just that simple.

MLC2006

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Wen something is approaching you and you want it to stop you hold your hands out to indicate stop like a traffic cop. They were standing in the middle of traffic afterall.

It's a pretty universal understanding the world around.

You stand in the middle of moving traffic and wish to oppose it, you need to observe some simple rules of communication prior to exercising violence as an option in conveying yourself as a human being.

it's just that simple.

I don't know what is the police code or procedure for stopping someone. I know that in a license test, I learned what a stop sign was. roadworkers here have signs that say "stop" and "slow". I didn't see these cops holding signs, so obviously they weren't given signs to wave, but it's pretty apparent that they were there for traffic. and it's pretty clear to me that the steps the cop took from the middle of the street to in front of the guy's path indicates that he intended for the guy to stop. it's also clear to me that the guy made a maneuvor to avoid being stopped. so obviously, you and I are seeing two different things.

also, you can't see the cop's hands once the guy gets close to him and you also can't hear any words that may being said. for all we know, the cop may be saying, "stop right now" as the guy is making a move to avoid him.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MLC2006 wrote:

I don't know what is the police code or procedure for stopping someone. I know that in a license test, I learned what a stop sign was. roadworkers here have signs that say "stop" and "slow". I didn't see these cops holding signs, so obviously they weren't given signs to wave, but it's pretty apparent that they were there for traffic. and it's pretty clear to me that the steps the cop took from the middle of the street to in front of the guy's path indicates that he intended for the guy to stop. it's also clear to me that the guy made a maneuvor to avoid being stopped. so obviously, you and I are seeing two different things.

also, you can't see the cop's hands once the guy gets close to him and you also can't hear any words that may being said. for all we know, the cop may be saying, "stop right now" as the guy is making a move to avoid him.

The cyclist had the right of way regardless, and the police officer cut in front of him. Basically the proper procedure is to hold out one or both hands in the stop position to indicate intention. This is safe and proper procedure.

I would not have stopped for this officer either. It was totally unclear what he was doing other than to cross directly in front of oncoming traffic. Very unwise. He should be fired for stupidity as well.

MLC2006

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The cyclist had the right of way regardless, and the police officer cut in front of him. Basically the proper procedure is to hold out one or both hands in the stop position to indicate intention. This is safe and proper procedure.

I would not have stopped for this officer either. It was totally unclear what he was doing other than to cross directly in front of oncoming traffic. Very unwise. He should be fired for stupidity as well.

so you know, for certain, that in NY City, the proper police procedure to stop traffic is to hold up your hand? and you also know that the cop wasn't giving a verbal command that the guy was choosing to ignore?

Rhinocerous Surprise

MLC2006 wrote:

so you know, for certain, that in NY City, the proper police procedure to stop traffic is to hold up your hand? and you also know that the cop wasn't giving a verbal command that the guy was choosing to ignore?

If the cop was giving verbal commands, or making any kind of attempt to tell the biker to stop, why would he have felt the need to say the guy rode into him?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

MLC2006 wrote:

so you know, for certain, that in NY City, the proper police procedure to stop traffic is to hold up your hand? and you also know that the cop wasn't giving a verbal command that the guy was choosing to ignore?

Absolutely. Take a look at a traffic cop sometime.

When you're on the road and there's cyclist's and cars (and noise) everywhere and you have the right of way.... If this guy was supposed to be directing traffic flow (or sadly attempting to) as a traffic cop...he's fired. Massive failure of protocol.