Canada to pay Arar $10.5 million

Collin

beemster wrote:

Because, I beleive in loyalty to one country... not to hard to understand... pretty simple actually...

What if your dad is Italian and your mom American and you lived in Italy for 10 years and then moved to the US

Would you only be loyal to Italy? Or wouldn't you want to keep your Italian citizenship when you move to the US? Or would you become and American citizen and forget your loyalty to Italy?

lukin2006

Collin wrote:

What if your dad is Italian and your mom American and you lived in Italy for 10 years and then moved to the US

Would you only be loyal to Italy? Or wouldn't you want to keep your Italian citizenship when you move to the US? Or would you become and American citizen and forget your loyalty to Italy?

If I made that choice then I would become American...I think we can agree to disagree on this subject. I do not know if your Canadian or not, but their are citizens of this countrywho have been wrongly jailed and have never come close to the degree of compensation this guy got.

So why does he get more than those other folks? Is Harper trying to get votes?

Most likely.

even flow?

beemster wrote:

Gotta Love paranoid conspiritist.

You got me there. I thought these people were supplying a route for the insurgents into Iraq. So again I ask.............Who was really doing the torturing if he would have been on their side. Oh great blind one.

lukin2006

even flow? wrote:

You got me there. I thought these people were supplying a route for the insurgents into Iraq. So again I ask.............Who was really doing the torturing if he would have been on their side. Oh great blind one.

whatever...start a new post that deals with who's doing what, where, and why...

Collin

beemster wrote:

If I made that choice then I would become American...I think we can agree to disagree on this subject.

We'll disagree, then.

I'm not Canadian, and I think people who have been wrongly imprisoned deserve compensation and even more so if they were tortured.

Arar is also, whether you like it or not, a citizen of Canada.

macgyver06

beemster wrote:

Yeah right, never thought the conservatives would turn into a bunch of bleeding hearts, what a joke our government has become.

he was deported you fucking idiot...do you know what that means..

lukin2006

macgyver06 wrote:

he was deported you fucking idiot...do you know what that means..

We didn't deport him, the states did, syria tortured him, and now our tax dollars are compensating him, when syria should be, you can't see that. In all honesty though I shouldn't reply to this post, because people like you who insult people knowly are not worthy of discussing this with.

MrBrian

beemster wrote:

We didn't deport him, the states did, syria tortured him, and now our tax dollars are compensating him, when syria should be,.

So the states should also pay, does'nt matter how much info they got from canada on Azar, america should not be sending people to get tortured.

Well that's how I feel anyway.

polaris

beemster wrote:

We didn't deport him, the states did, syria tortured him, and now our tax dollars are compensating him, when syria should be, you can't see that. In all honesty though I shouldn't reply to this post, because people like you who insult people knowly are not worthy of discussing this with.

everyone knows you ain't gonna get squat from syria - he has no recourse there ... the reality is that the rcmp provided false information to the states which resulted in his deportation ... it is most indeed canada's fault that he was tortured for 2 years ... and he most definitely should be compensated ...

PintoMusic

beemster wrote:

We didn't deport him, the states did, syria tortured him, and now our tax dollars are compensating him, when syria should be, you can't see that.

If it weren't for Canada mislabelling him as a terrorist, he wouldn't have been in a Syrian prison to begin with. Can you see that?

If he only had Canadian citizenship and was under suspicion for terrorist connections, the USA might've still deported him to Syria. This isn't the first time since 9/11 that they've deported a Canadian citizen to another country.

If the USA truly thought he was a terrorist threat, it would've made more sense to either hand him over to Canadian authorities - or detain and interrogate him themselves.

But apparently, in addition to the trumped up allegations, Canadian authorities had told the USA that Arar had left Canada for good (which was not true). Secondly, although Harper's apology blames this mess on our previously elected goverment, he and his opposition government (at the time) applauded this deportation. Now they get to put their money where their fat mouths were - unfortunately at taxpayers' expense. If you want to be mad at someone, get mad at our goverment for making a $10-million mistake.

Neither the Canadian government nor Arar himself can go after the USA because they'll probably use some "State Secrets" act to prevent their counter-terrorism measures being revealed in court. And at a time when the USA can barely nail Syria to the wall for funding Hezbollah, you're probably not going to get much accountability from Syria on Arar.

No matter how you play the blame game, it's Canada who fired the first shot. Hopefully now, we'll get our shit together so that we don't get stuck with another multi-million dollar bill.