Hadn't reached the ears? what the hell are you talking about? it's people like you who make the troops and avg american seem like an idiot, fucking waiting for info to reach you, if you wait too long it may never even fucking come. You have to go out and take the info, look for it yourself. I did, most of the planet did. lots and lots of people knew how bad this all was years ago. so don't give me this pathetic song about info and facts reaching ears. what an excuse.
I also gave my example about 9/11, how many people asked why? so many believed the "attack on freedom" line, started flying flags and all ready for revenge.
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walk mart does'nt hire them? fine, my bad, but the point is, I bet enough places do, so can't find a job is not an excuse.
If I were 16 in this day and age, and in the same environment I was when I was 16 I would have done the same thing I did then, and join the service. I was a smart kid, but I didn't see many options.
There are enlistees in Iraq who joined the armed forces after March of 2003, but I'll bet they are less than 15% of the forces over there right now. I wish I could get the stats on that. It may be higher, but I doubt it. You also have to consider the fact that some of the facts about this administration and this war hadn't reached the ears of a large part of the country til this last year or two.
So, get off your moral high horse. Please.
Nice post, gue. I work at a VA, so I'm in contact with Vets everyday. There are those special few that feel an obligation to serve their country & the ones I know that were deployed to Iraq joined way before 9/11. The majority of them do not want to be in Iraq.
MrBrian, because I where I work, I have much compassion for the men and women who serve our country. The majority of our patients are Vietnam Vets. I can not tell you the mental anguish that was caused by people when they returned home. I see the effects of that every day. I urge you not to repeat the same mistakes Americans did when the troops returned home from Vietnan.
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Nice post, gue. I work at a VA, so I'm in contact with Vets everyday. There are those special few that feel an obligation to serve their country & the ones I know that were deployed to Iraq joined way before 9/11. The majority of them do not want to be in Iraq.
MrBrian, because I where I work, I have much compassion for the men and women who serve our country. The majority of our patients are Vietnam Vets. I can not tell you the mental anguish that was caused by people when they returned home. I see the effects of that every day. I urge you not to repeat the same mistakes Americans did when the troops returned home from Vietnan.
If I were 16 in this day and age, and in the same environment I was when I was 16 I would have done the same thing I did then, and join the service. I was a smart kid, but I didn't see many options.
Perhaps this is a major issue that needs to be addressed, options. I guess a young kid trying to find some answers or something in life... joins the army, before he knows it he get's sent off and becomes a killer.
But I don't see these "support the troops" folk even touching on these things. well some are of course but it seems to be a very sensitive subject, as it should be. They are a countries protection, but so is education. if these people knew the history, if the avg american knew what was going on, could they, would they still support the war? would they still go to war?
As I've mentioned earlier, without the troops one can not have the war. That's why I can't say that I support them. I mean barka you are talking about the mental anguish, but would they of had it if they went? of course that was due to the draft, nevertheless I think that it takes more balls to refuse to fight than to go and fight and not a single soul could ever make me go and kill other people or be part of that.
Also I'd like to mention that american policy has been corrupt not just from Bush, but for years, 80's,70's,60's,50's I mean it's nothing new. So if people joined the army before 2003 or not, it's still no excuse for them being in it.
(btw scott, re read the thread. the post was about info on bush not reaching a large part of the country yet)
Perhaps this is a major issue that needs to be addressed, options. I guess a young kid trying to find some answers or something in life... joins the army, before he knows it he get's sent off and becomes a killer.
But I don't see these "support the troops" folk even touching on these things. well some are of course but it seems to be a very sensitive subject, as it should be. They are a countries protection, but so is education. if these people knew the history, if the avg american knew what was going on, could they, would they still support the war? would they still go to war?
As I've mentioned earlier, without the troops one can not have the war. That's why I can't say that I support them. I mean barka you are talking about the mental anguish, but would they of had it if they went? of course that was due to the draft, nevertheless I think that it takes more balls to refuse to fight than to go and fight and not a single soul could ever make me go and kill other people or be part of that.
Also I'd like to mention that american policy has been corrupt not just from Bush, but for years, 80's,70's,60's,50's I mean it's nothing new. So if people joined the army before 2003 or not, it's still no excuse for them being in it.
(btw scott, re read the thread. the post was about info on bush not reaching a large part of the country yet)
I think you're making the false assumption that Iraq is all that is going on in the American military. This isn't the case at all.
You seem to lean heavily on the idea of "corruption" as being the cause of the US military.
corruption has caused the use of the US military in ways that it should not be used.
Greed causes corruption, corruption causes bad moves. Now thats how I feel about the people in charge. the politicians. now as far as the troops go, they allow themselves to be treated like cattle.
and you, how are the troops not to blame for any of these messes america finds herself in?
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Nice post, gue. I work at a VA, so I'm in contact with Vets everyday. There are those special few that feel an obligation to serve their country & the ones I know that were deployed to Iraq joined way before 9/11. The majority of them do not want to be in Iraq.
MrBrian, because I where I work, I have much compassion for the men and women who serve our country. The majority of our patients are Vietnam Vets. I can not tell you the mental anguish that was caused by people when they returned home. I see the effects of that every day. I urge you not to repeat the same mistakes Americans did when the troops returned home from Vietnan.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Thanks.
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Perhaps this is a major issue that needs to be addressed, options. I guess a young kid trying to find some answers or something in life... joins the army, before he knows it he get's sent off and becomes a killer.
But I don't see these "support the troops" folk even touching on these things. well some are of course but it seems to be a very sensitive subject, as it should be. They are a countries protection, but so is education. if these people knew the history, if the avg american knew what was going on, could they, would they still support the war? would they still go to war?
As I've mentioned earlier, without the troops one can not have the war. That's why I can't say that I support them. I mean barka you are talking about the mental anguish, but would they of had it if they went? of course that was due to the draft, nevertheless I think that it takes more balls to refuse to fight than to go and fight and not a single soul could ever make me go and kill other people or be part of that.
Also I'd like to mention that american policy has been corrupt not just from Bush, but for years, 80's,70's,60's,50's I mean it's nothing new. So if people joined the army before 2003 or not, it's still no excuse for them being in it.
(btw scott, re read the thread. the post was about info on bush not reaching a large part of the country yet)
I think you're making the false assumption that Iraq is all that is going on in the American military. This isn't the case at all.
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No, not at all. I am well aware that they are strategically placed around the world to help america continue her dominance.
But it is true that iraq is the main issue at hand. That's why I'll bring it up.
I think you need to make up your mind. You seem to lean heavily on the idea of "corruption" as being the cause of the US military.
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corruption has caused the use of the US military in ways that it should not be used.
Greed causes corruption, corruption causes bad moves. Now thats how I feel about the people in charge. the politicians. now as far as the troops go, they allow themselves to be treated like cattle.
and you, how are the troops not to blame for any of these messes america finds herself in?