10 million girls killed by their parents in India

mookie9999

Ahnimus wrote:

India :cool:

LMAO!!!

surferdude

mookie9999 wrote:

Where in the world would this practice of murdering a child because they are female be morally acceptable?!?!?

Just because it's happening doesn't mean India accepts it as morally acceptable. There's a lot of hatred and murder in North America but I wouldn't go as far as to say that it is morally acceptable in North America to hate and murder.

VictoryGin

mookie9999 wrote:

Where in the world would this practice of murdering a child because they are female be morally acceptable?!?!?

not only india, but china as well.

maybe this will help, i don't know:
http://www.gendercide.org/case_infanticide.html

hippiemom

surferdude wrote:

Connor, I think you need a drink. If this is you sober you may want to think it over. This is the philosophy Hippiemom brought to the table not me. I've condemned the murder of the girls (and all people). But I find it pretty funny when someone who's been through the experiences you have calls someone a sick son of a bitch.

Adopting an ethnocentric attitude and placing North American norms as the right ones means you fully back a society where men have a significantly shorter life expectancy than women, and subsequently their lives are valued less by North American standards. But then find a society that adopts this same thinking to women to be revolting. It's revolting all around.

If men are living shorter lives than women due to some cause that we have created, I'm all in favor of doing what we can to change that. They are not living shorter lives because we're burying them alive in great numbers, that's for sure.

As for your tax analogy, all I will say is that people are not inherently rich or poor, in the way that they are male or female, or of one race or another. You can be rich one moment and poor the next ... your tax status is a circumstance, it is not who you ARE.

VictoryGin

surferdude wrote:

Condemning people and a society for valueing things differently than the North American norm is way too ethnocentric for me.

so you feel the same way then about the holocaust, right?

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

It appears as though we have a misunderstanding, in that I did not say that at all. I'm well aware many people find this reprehensible. I'm all for people expressing that to the full extent.

but do YOU find it reprehensible? is it acceptable behavior? should we allow it to happen becos it is their culture?

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

but do YOU find it reprehensible? is it acceptable behavior? should we allow it to happen becos it is their culture?

I find your behavior reprehensible most of the time. Apparently talking it out doesn't work, maybe I should amass an army.

soulsinging

surferdude wrote:

Connor, I think you need a drink. If this is you sober you may want to think it over. This is the philosophy Hippiemom brought to the table not me. I've condemned the murder of the girls (and all people). But I find it pretty funny when someone who's been through the experiences you have calls someone a sick son of a bitch.

Adopting an ethnocentric attitude and placing North American norms as the right ones means you fully back a society where men have a significantly shorter life expectancy than women, and subsequently their lives are valued less by North American standards. But then find a society that adopts this same thinking to women to be revolting. It's revolting all around.

where did i adopt an ethnocentric attitude or say NA norms are right? im just saying murdering babies is horrible and is not comparable to tax cuts in even the most remote philosophical stretch. hippiemom's post had nothing to do with taxation and while i see what you're trying to do, it's a weak argument.

but thanks for telling me i ought to go drink. im gonna go cry about it now.

the first thing i was going to post here was "that's a shame, indian girls are hot!" there's nothing wrong with me these days, im plenty happy and my sense of humor is still intact. i only took umbrage when i saw you trying to compare a human life to taxes. it's also why i leaped on ahnimus for saying women provoke their rapes. i understand what both of you are trying to do, but making excuses for horrific treatment of women is no way to bring about equality. the only diff between me now and me then is that im sickened by people who think they can treat other people as a means to an end.

surferdude

hippiemom wrote:

If men are living shorter lives than women due to some cause that we have created, I'm all in favor of doing what we can to change that. They are not living shorter lives because we're burying them alive in great numbers, that's for sure.

Morally speaking there's not much of a difference between killing people based by sex at birth, or 20 years later based by sex and occupation, especially when the occupation is primarily done by one gender. Both situations should be abhorant, but North America definitely accepts the latter.

hippiemom wrote:

As for your tax analogy, all I will say is that people are not inherently rich or poor, in the way that they are male or female, or of one race or another. You can be rich one moment and poor the next ... your tax status is a circumstance, it is not who you ARE.

Great points.

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

I find your behavior reprehensible most of the time. Apparently talking it out doesn't work, maybe I should amass an army.

good call. cos god knows you couldnt handle me yourself.

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

"that's a shame, indian girls are hot!"

soulsinging

surferdude wrote:

Morally speaking there's not much of a difference between killing people based by sex at birth, or 20 years later based by sex and occupation, especially when the occupation is primarily done by one gender. Both situations should be abhorant, but North America definitely accepts the latter.

this is pure bullshit. who is "killing" men based on their sex 20 years after their birth? your poor oppressed white male complex is laughable.

surferdude

VictoryGin wrote:

so you feel the same way then about the holocaust, right?

I've already said I'm against the murder of the girls after birth. But I'm not going to condemn an entire society that may very well find that act morally repugnant. Equally I'm not going to condemn all German culture, but I definitely condemn the holocaust and those responsible for it.

Forgive the person not the sin kinda of thing.

angelica

soulsinging wrote:

but do YOU find it reprehensible? is it acceptable behavior? should we allow it to happen becos it is their culture?

I personally find it obscene and reprehensible, just like I find abortion reprehensible, based on my personal morals. And like I find the Iraq war and that killing reprehensible.

Should we "allow" it? This is where I get nervous. I'm 100% with surferdude on this one: I know so very little about their culture and their views so the idea that I have any right to impose my views and beliefs on a different culture is also reprehensible to me. To do so is the opposite of problem solving in my view. And with above board problem solving on such an issue, we may not be able to make much of a difference to a whole culture in their cultural evolution. I can recognize what is within my ethical power to change and I can accept what is not. And I personally trust my own ability to tell the difference. I am not the guardian of life to mete out judgment and punishment. I am one person, thoroughly immersed in my own culture including it's own blindspots.

surferdude

soulsinging wrote:

this is pure bullshit. who is "killing" men based on their sex 20 years after their birth? your poor oppressed white male complex is laughable.

Actually I was thinking more of the poor African American male that I've been told over and over on this board is preyed on by the American military. But if you have the need to make it personal as a way to absolve your guilt go ahead, it's Friday after all.

soulsinging

surferdude wrote:

Actually I was thinking more of the poor African American male that I've been told over and over on this board is preyed on by the American military. But if you have the need to make it personal as a way to absolve your guilt go ahead, it's Friday after all.

ive got no guilt. i was born lucky and im not going to apologize for it. not sure what you're talking about there though. if you're talking about police brutality, that's not the military and yes i am every bit as outraged over that as i am about this. senseless killing is repugnant to me, period. im not condemning indian culture, i dont even know what their culture is. im just saying anyone who kills a baby is sick, and anyone comparing that to the injustice of taxation is too

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

this might be the only thing we ever agreed on.

VictoryGin

surferdude wrote:

I've already said I'm against the murder of the girls after birth. But I'm not going to condemn an entire society that may very well find that act morally repugnant. Equally I'm not going to condemn all German culture, but I definitely condemn the holocaust and those responsible for it.

Forgive the person not the sin kinda of thing.

so you're personally against killing girls but you won't do anything about it?

speak slowly, i'm really hungover.

hippiemom

surferdude wrote:

Morally speaking there's not much of a difference between killing people based by sex at birth, or 20 years later based by sex and occupation, especially when the occupation is primarily done by one gender. Both situations should be abhorant, but North America definitely accepts the latter.

I look forward to arguing alongside you next time someone is claiming that some proposed occupational safety standard is an unfair infringement on the rights of the employer because all those men CHOSE to take those jobs.

soulsinging

angelica wrote:

I personally find it obscene and reprehensible, just like I find abortion reprehensible, based on my personal morals. And like I find the Iraq war and that killing reprehensible.

Should we "allow" it? This is where I get nervous. I'm 100% with surferdude on this one: I know so very little about their culture and their views so the idea that I have any right to impose my views and beliefs on a different culture is also reprehensible to me. To do so is the opposite of problem solving in my view. And with above board problem solving on such an issue, we may not be able to make much of a difference to a whole culture in their cultural evolution. I can recognize what is within my ethical power to change and I can accept what is not. And I personally trust my own ability to tell the difference. I am not the guardian of life to mete out judgment and punishment. I am one person, thoroughly immersed in my own culture including it's own blindspots.

i feel as a country we ought not support such things. im not talking about military intervention. im talking more economic. im quite positive we give money to them. cut that off. tell them until they do something about this trend, americans will take their business elsewhere.