How Does Obama feel about Israel?

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  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Didn't ya know? That's just not as important as charisma and divorce rates!

    I'm starting to think that those things are more important
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Oh, they took it out?

    I guess now they just gotta stop doing it.


    it would take Israel all of 4 hours to own all of palastine. are their border issues? land rights issues? yes. most of which date back to the 1967 war which was before most of our time. concessions absolutely have to be made on Israels side for peace to happen.

    hamas is openly stating they want Israel destroyed. you, abook and others seem to be perfectly fine with that
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    hamas is openly stating they want Israel destroyed. you, abook and others seem to be perfectly fine with that

    Cause that's what I've said, right? Quit making shit up to make it seem like you have a point.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Cause that's what I've said, right? Quit making shit up to make it seem like you have a point.


    are you ok, upset, or indifferent about Hamas wanting Israel destroyed?

    you seem to be upset about america's one sided support, but fail to see why its like that.
  • Specifics
    Specifics Posts: 417
    jlew24asu wrote:
    it would take Israel all of 4 hours to own all of palastine. are their border issues? land rights issues? yes. most of which date back to the 1967 war which was before most of our time. concessions absolutely have to be made on Israels side for peace to happen.

    hamas is openly stating they want Israel destroyed. you, abook and others seem to be perfectly fine with that

    if i ask questions and then answer them instead of just stating what i feel to be true does this make me seem intelligent? no

    Does it make me an obnoxious condescending little prick? yes

    had to comment i seen it too much today...
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    are you ok, upset, or indifferent about Hamas wanting Israel destroyed?

    you seem to be upset about america's one sided support, but fail to see why its like that.

    I'm upset by the violence on both sides and don't think we should be adding to it. Israel is already so much more powerful than anyone around them. On top that, Israel seems to be the one instigating the aggression. I know you'll disagree with that so I don't know where we can really go from here. I favor a two-state plan, not the destruction of one to give all power to the other.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'm upset by the violence on both sides and don't think we should be adding to it. Israel is already so much more powerful than anyone around them. On top that, Israel seems to be the one instigating the aggression. I know you'll disagree with that so I don't know where we can really go from here.
    I dont agree with this but I also have never been there and dont know the long history in enough detail to know the right answer to this.

    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I favor a two-state plan, not the destruction of one to give all power to the other.

    I agree 100% but how can this happen when one side only exists for the sole purpose of destroying the other? Israel has proven it was willing to work with abbas, he wants peace, so does Israel. Hamas does not. so who is the bad guy again?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I dont agree with this but I also have never been there and dont know the long history in enough detail to know the right answer to this.




    I agree 100% but how can this happen when one side only exists for the sole purpose of destroying the other? Israel has proven it was willing to work with abbas, he wants peace, so does Israel. Hamas does not. so who is the bad guy again?

    Palestine does not exist for the sole purpose of destroying Israel. The bad guys are ones on both sides fueling violence and hate as acceptable methods of solving their differences.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Rushlimbo
    Rushlimbo Posts: 832
    Specifics wrote:
    if i ask questions and then answer them instead of just stating what i feel to be true does this make me seem intelligent? no

    Does it make me an obnoxious condescending little prick? yes

    had to comment i seen it too much today...

    Give that man a prize.
    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Palestine does not exist for the sole purpose of destroying Israel.

    http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

    Hamas Charter (1988)

    The Charter of Allah: The Platform of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas)

    “In the Name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate You are the best community that has been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed, it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-doers. They will not harm you save a trifling hurt, and if they fight against you they will turn and flee. And afterward they will not be helped. Ignominy shall be their portion wheresoever they are found save [where they grasp] a rope from Allah and a rope from man. They have incurred anger from their Lord, and wretchedness is laid upon them. That is because they used to disbelieve the revelations of Allah, and slew the Prophets wrongfully. That is because they were rebellious and used to transgress.” Surat Al-Imran (III), verses 109-111 Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors. The Islamic World is burning. It is incumbent upon each one of us to pour some water, little as it may be, with a view of extinguishing as much of the fire as he can, without awaiting action by the others.


    you are flat out wrong
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    http://www.palestinecenter.org/cpap/documents/charter.html

    Hamas Charter (1988)

    The Charter of Allah: The Platform of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas)

    “In the Name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate You are the best community that has been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed, it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-doers. They will not harm you save a trifling hurt, and if they fight against you they will turn and flee. And afterward they will not be helped. Ignominy shall be their portion wheresoever they are found save [where they grasp] a rope from Allah and a rope from man. They have incurred anger from their Lord, and wretchedness is laid upon them. That is because they used to disbelieve the revelations of Allah, and slew the Prophets wrongfully. That is because they were rebellious and used to transgress.” Surat Al-Imran (III), verses 109-111 Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors. The Islamic World is burning. It is incumbent upon each one of us to pour some water, little as it may be, with a view of extinguishing as much of the fire as he can, without awaiting action by the others.


    you are flat out wrong

    Hamas does not equal Palestine. And I fully believe the people of Palestine wouldn't rely on Hamas for protection if we actually showed interest in a peace process and not more of the policy of arming and funding the aggression against them. How much would stock would you put in me wanting peace with you if I kept arming the guy who is shooting at you? You have to see their side, as well. I believe both sets of people want peace. But those in power want more conflict. You don't stabilize a situation by dousing the fire with gasoline.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34bVcLMrcRs
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Hamas does not equal Palestine.
    I wish you were right but your not. right now Hamas DOES equal palestine. they call the shots, they are the head government in charge. you knew that right?
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    And I fully believe the people of Palestine wouldn't rely on Hamas for protection if we actually showed interest in a peace process and not more of the policy of arming and funding the aggression against them. How much would stock would you put in me wanting peace with you if I kept arming the guy who is shooting at you? You have to see their side, as well. I believe both sets of people want peace. But those in power want more conflict. You don't stabilize a situation by dousing the fire with gasoline.

    and you dont bring peace by electing a government that wants Israel destroyed. if Hamas wasnt in power, peace would have a chance no matter how many weapons Israel has.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I wish you were right but your not. right now Hamas DOES equal palestine. they call the shots, they are the head government in charge. you knew that right?



    and you dont bring peace by electing a government that wants Israel destroyed. if Hamas wasnt in power, peace would have a chance no matter how many weapons Israel has.


    So you don't see the destruction and death Israel has caused onto the Palestinian people? If you claim Israel is innocent in this and not equally as guilty then you are choosing to see only one side while ignoring the other.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    So you don't see the destruction and death Israel has caused onto the Palestinian people? If you claim Israel is innocent in this and not equally as guilty then you are choosing to see only one side while ignoring the other.

    yes I do see the Israel has done wrong. but if they really wanted to, they could destroy all of palestine in a day. but they dont. Israel does not have a stated purpose of destroying palestine. in most cases they are defending themselves from militants launching rockets into civilians areas.

    both sides do wrong. yes BOTH. but Hamas is the one preventing peace.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    yes I do see the Israel has done wrong. but if they really wanted to, they could destroy all of palestine in a day. but they dont. Israel does not have a stated purpose of destroying palestine. in most cases they are defending themselves from militants launching rockets into civilians areas.

    both sides do wrong. yes BOTH. but Hamas is the one preventing peace.


    They are both preventing peace. If Israel wasn't involved in any violence towards Palestine then you'd have a leg to stand on. But Israel isn't acting any more peaceful than Hamas at the moment.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    They are both preventing peace. If Israel wasn't involved in any violence towards Palestine then you'd have a leg to stand on. But Israel isn't acting any more peaceful than Hamas at the moment.


    thats because hamas wants to destroy them
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    And perhaps if the palestinian people had enough money to build schools and hospitals themselves they would not need hamas to do it for them.

    Hamas is the only protection the people have against israel. also long before hamas, the palestinians had peace groups and such they were still being attacked by israel. years before the suicide bomber was created.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    jlew24asu wrote:
    thats because hamas wants to destroy them

    it goes both ways
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    MrBrian wrote:
    And perhaps if the palestinian people had enough money to build schools and hospitals themselves they would not need hamas to do it for them.

    Hamas is the only protection the people have against israel. also long before hamas, the palestinians had peace groups and such they were still being attacked by israel. years before the suicide bomber was created.

    if Hamas recognizes Israel's right to exist problems would be solved. or least there would be a chance. why are you people failing to realize or even fucking admit that hamas wants to destroy Israel.

    dont tell me that Israel wants to destroy palestine. if they wanted to, they would.

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