dude I dont know. everyone has a different opinion. there is no concrete answer
True, perhaps I need to apologize, I've seen some (racial) profiling and know how the guys it happened to felt. And the reason is always "suspicious behaviour".
True, perhaps I need to apologize, I've seen some (racial) profiling and know how the guys it happened to felt. And the reason is always "suspicious behaviour".
and as i said, that's tough shit, but it's the way the world works. i think that response got lost being at the bottom of a page right before the rollover though
you know, im not racist or prejudiced, but im sorry, that is the way it goes. if im on a plane im more nervous about 6 muslims talking about saddam than 6 white guys talking about their 401k. if im on the nyc subway, im more nervous about 6 young black men being rowdy and talking shit than i am about the asian family of 4 sitting behind them. that's the way it goes. if i meet a muslim, do i assume they're a terrorist? no of course not, nor do i treat them any differently from anyone else. if i meet a black man do i assume he's a gangster? no, of course not, and i will not treat them different from anyone else. but when im out there in public in various situation where certain people are more prone to cause problems for me, then i make myself aware of that. when i go to football games, im wary of drunken white guys with frat shirts.
when was the last time a white man hijacked an airplane? an asian? a black man?
Wow, a common sense answer.
Some folks are so obsessed with white guilt and thus pretend to appear to be sensitive to the plights of minorities.
I may be going out on a limb here, but I betcha many of these same folks wouldn't lift a finger to help said minorities, would never dream of living in or going near their neighborhoods, and internally feel nervous around "those people."
and as i said, that's tough shit, but it's the way the world works. i think that response got lost being at the bottom of a page right before the rollover though
Sadly yes, and your examples in the other post are true. If there are a bunch of teens being rowdy in a NYC train, you'll pay more attention to them than to the people who are quietly sitting, minding their own business.
That's not racism, that's just being careful.
But what happens to my friend is racism and people tolerate it because 'that's the way the world works'.
Sadly yes, and your examples in the other post are true. If there are a bunch of teens being rowdy in a NYC train, you'll pay more attention to them than to the people who are quietly sitting, minding their own business.
That's not racism, that's just being careful.
But what happens to my friend is racism and people tolerate it because 'that's the way the world works'.
why is it being safe when the kid on the train is white, but it's racism becos your friend is a minority?
One of the suspicious reasons given was that they sat in different seats, but of course those are the seats that they were assigned, let's also remember that they were allowed to board the plane, they passed all the security checks before and because they were muslims probably had their ball sacs searched at the X ray area. and I think one of them was even blind. To me it all sounds like some ignorant passengers got freaked out by these 6 men for no real good reason.
But I guess we'll see what happens in court.
btw, after they were cleared again (7 hrs later) US airways refused to give them passage on any other flights.
One of the suspicious reasons given was that they sat in different seats, but of course those are the seats that they were assigned,
it's all coming down to he said she said
from the washington post article.
Passengers and flight attendants told law-enforcement officials the imams switched from their assigned seats to a pattern associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks and also found in probes of U.S. security since the attacks -- two in the front row first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two in the rear of the cabin.
"That would alarm me," said a federal air marshal who asked to remain anonymous. "They now control all of the entry and exit routes to the plane."
A pilot from another airline said: "That behavior has been identified as a terrorist probe in the airline industry."
The imams who claimed two first-class seats said their tickets were upgraded. The gate agent told police that when the imams asked to be upgraded, they were told no such seats were available. Nevertheless, the two men were seated in first class when removed.
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I was on a bus with some rowdy kids, so I talked to them.
If someone is acting "suspicious" I talk to them. I'll even tell them that I find their behavior to be suspicious. And it was a white kid who said he'd stab me, every time, guess what? they never did. People talk shit.
All you people living in fear, when all you gotta do is confront it.
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I was on a bus with some rowdy kids, so I talked to them.
If someone is acting "suspicious" I talk to them. I'll even tell them that I find their behavior to be suspicious. And it was a white kid who said he'd stab me, every time, guess what? they never did. People talk shit.
All you people living in fear, when all you gotta do is confront it.
so b/c you happened to call one kids bluff, it's now universal?
People do talk shit a lot, but there are also a lot of people who back it up.
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from the washington post article.
Passengers and flight attendants told law-enforcement officials the imams switched from their assigned seats to a pattern associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks and also found in probes of U.S. security since the attacks -- two in the front row first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two in the rear of the cabin.
"That would alarm me," said a federal air marshal who asked to remain anonymous. "They now control all of the entry and exit routes to the plane."
A pilot from another airline said: "That behavior has been identified as a terrorist probe in the airline industry."
The imams who claimed two first-class seats said their tickets were upgraded. The gate agent told police that when the imams asked to be upgraded, they were told no such seats were available. Nevertheless, the two men were seated in first class when removed.
Yeah it is a bit of he said she said. but the case against the airline is pretty strong. I mean from your article it says that passengers told law enforcment that the imams were in a sept 11th seating pattern, for some reason that's hard to believe. I mean I highly doubt that any passenger knew exactly the seating positions. But fine, maybe it's possible because it's a formation issue. Also it was the passengers that got nervous and that's why the muslims were taken off. I mean it was other passengers that alerted flight attendents of this so suspicious behavior. why did'nt the attendents take the initiative? I mean if these people were acting so strange. also at some point any passenger will control an exit. in this case the exits were taken by people who were muslim. perhaps airlines should build a special area for muslims passengers? like a cage.
But yeah, more details will come out I'm sure. I'd like to look at the video records of them prior to boarding. maybe it shows them hugging eachother and burning american flags? I dunno. But so far it does seem like ignorance of the part of other passengers and the airline.
so b/c you happened to call one kids bluff, it's now universal?
People do talk shit a lot, but there are also a lot of people who back it up.
Depends what you do when they talk shit.
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Yeah it is a bit of he said she said. but the case against the airline is pretty strong. I mean from your article it says that passengers told law enforcment that the imams were in a sept 11th seating pattern, for some reason that's hard to believe. I mean I highly doubt that any passenger knew exactly the seating positions. But fine, maybe it's possible because it's a formation issue. Also it was the passengers that got nervous and that's why the muslims were taken off. I mean it was other passengers that alerted flight attendents of this so suspicious behavior. why did'nt the attendents take the initiative? I mean if these people were acting so strange. also at some point any passenger will control an exit. in this case the exits were taken by people who were muslim. perhaps airlines should build a special area for muslims passengers? like a cage.
But yeah, more details will come out I'm sure. I'd like to look at the video records of them prior to boarding. maybe it shows them hugging eachother and burning american flags? I dunno. But so far it does seem like ignorance of the part of other passengers and the airline.
I hope I didn't come across that the imams were clearly in the wrong and the passengers in the right...I'm sure ignorance played into it somewhat and perhaps both sides are at fault for this happening. The hard thing is that this is such a subjective thing. I'm sure airlines are thinking to themselves at times like these...we can prob let everyone on the airplane w/o incident BUT if something happens and it gets out that we didn't investigate something there will be hell to pay.
If the Imams case is correct and they were removed for no cause, it is sad.
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Sounds like racism to me. I bet the stupid passengers got all worked up about it because of the colour of the men and started imagining they heard the word "saddam" in their speech. Talk about self-righteous wankers. It's all so stupid because I bet the six guys were ordinary innocents. I hope they win their case but I expect that won't be the case, not in America.
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perhaps airlines should build a special area for muslims passengers? like a cage.
Forget the Muslims! Can we do this for all the little pricks on board who kick the back of my seat while their over-paid under-attentive parents ignore the little bastards?
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Forget the Muslims! Can we do this for all the little pricks on board who kick the back of my seat while their over-paid under-attentive parents ignore the little bastards?
Maybe everyone should be locked up in personal cages, with electroshock wrist and neck bands that are set off when they move 3 inches in any direction.
Perhaps everyone should be chained up at all times and all freedom stripped, the government converted to communism and everyone forced into trades and given daily rations.
Then everyone will be safe from everyone except the government.
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Some passengers complained that 6 middle eastern men were acting "suspicious" before getting on a plane. So the airline took them off, they were detained for over 7 hrs then cleared.
Now they are taking US airways to court and they also want to take the passengers to court. but first with the airlines .
So house republicans (and dems) passed a bill that will protect passengers if they report "suspicious" activity from being sued.
Judging by what happened to these 6 guys it seems like suspicious activity is being muslim and speaking arabic. so this bill is good, let's encourage racial profiling.
Everything here sounds good. Thanks for adding the (and dems) part, too. I was beginning to worry they had lost their majority.
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Maybe everyone should be locked up in personal cages, with electroshock wrist and neck bands that are set off when they move 3 inches in any direction.
Perhaps everyone should be chained up at all times and all freedom stripped, the government converted to communism and everyone forced into trades and given daily rations.
Then everyone will be safe from everyone except the government.
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"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
Why don't they just have non-Muslim flights so some Americans can finally live that freedom dream, and feel safe just like other normal human beings who fly...sigh...
I wonder if American Airlines has any Muslim pilots on staff...or if they used to, if they fired them all
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why is it being safe when the kid on the train is white, but it's racism becos your friend is a minority?
My friend isn't a rowdy kid on a train. He's a very nice and friendly guy, stays away from trouble, doesn't drink, doesn't do drugs. He doesn't like hanging out in bars etc. he's more likely to stay home and watch a movie. Really, he's not a trouble maker. If a black or brown kid is being rowdy and you don't feel safe and decide to report this kid, that's not racism at all.
But when he's just waiting for a bus somewhere and people call the cops on him, it's racism. I've stood their waiting for my bus plenty of times and so have most of my other friends. We're all way more noisy and more likely to get into trouble than him. Yet he's the one they called the cops on, he's the one who had to show ID, hand over his backpack and explain why he was waiting for a bus at that hour.
And that's not the only story, at first he didn't want to believe it but now it has become so obvious it's hard to ignore. Everytime the cops stop him, he has to go through this whole process, show ID, explain why... the last time, in January, they questioned him for 40 minutes. He was just walking home from his girlfriend. Two days ago me and my other friend (also white) were walking down the street smoking a joint when the cops showed up. They could smell the weed, our eyes were red and he had a hard time explaining what we were doing there, I almost started laughing. Very suspicious behaviour, if you ask me. They wrote down our info, that's it. It took 3 minutes.
My friend isn't a rowdy kid on a train. He's a very nice and friendly guy, stays away from trouble, doesn't drink, doesn't do drugs. He doesn't like hanging out in bars etc. he's more likely to stay home and watch a movie. Really, he's not a trouble maker. If a black or brown kid is being rowdy and you don't feel safe and decide to report this kid, that's not racism at all.
But when he's just waiting for a bus somewhere and people call the cops on him, it's racism. I've stood their waiting for my bus plenty of times and so have most of my other friends. We're all way more noisy and more likely to get into trouble than him. Yet he's the one they called the cops on, he's the one who had to show ID, hand over his backpack and explain why he was waiting for a bus at that hour.
And that's not the only story, at first he didn't want to believe it but now it has become so obvious it's hard to ignore. Everytime the cops stop him, he has to go through this whole process, show ID, explain why... the last time, in January, they questioned him for 40 minutes. He was just walking home from his girlfriend. Two days ago me and my other friend (also white) were walking down the street smoking a joint when the cops showed up. They could smell the weed, our eyes were red and he had a hard time explaining what we were doing there, I almost started laughing. Very suspicious behaviour, if you ask me. They wrote down our info, that's it. It took 3 minutes.
It pisses me off.
If I was your friend I'd tell the cops to either charge me, or go take a huge flying fuck. Cops hide the fact that they're pretty damn soft in the head behind a veil of authority. It's actually pretty laughable how stupid cops are upstairs outside of the mundane thug idiocy on the street..
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
My friend isn't a rowdy kid on a train. He's a very nice and friendly guy, stays away from trouble, doesn't drink, doesn't do drugs. He doesn't like hanging out in bars etc. he's more likely to stay home and watch a movie. Really, he's not a trouble maker. If a black or brown kid is being rowdy and you don't feel safe and decide to report this kid, that's not racism at all.
But when he's just waiting for a bus somewhere and people call the cops on him, it's racism. I've stood their waiting for my bus plenty of times and so have most of my other friends. We're all way more noisy and more likely to get into trouble than him. Yet he's the one they called the cops on, he's the one who had to show ID, hand over his backpack and explain why he was waiting for a bus at that hour.
And that's not the only story, at first he didn't want to believe it but now it has become so obvious it's hard to ignore. Everytime the cops stop him, he has to go through this whole process, show ID, explain why... the last time, in January, they questioned him for 40 minutes. He was just walking home from his girlfriend. Two days ago me and my other friend (also white) were walking down the street smoking a joint when the cops showed up. They could smell the weed, our eyes were red and he had a hard time explaining what we were doing there, I almost started laughing. Very suspicious behaviour, if you ask me. They wrote down our info, that's it. It took 3 minutes.
It pisses me off.
"homeland security" takes on a traditional guise. it's an excuse. i've noticed in the past few years that local cops have been getting edgier and prone to personal paranoias. the upside of that is that you get some precincts that discover their cool.
If I was your friend I'd tell the cops to either charge me, or go take a huge flying fuck. Cops hide the fact that they're pretty damn soft in the head behind a veil of authority. It's actually pretty laughable how stupid cops are upstairs outside of the mundane thug idiocy on the street..
Well, my friend is kind of timid and I don't see it happening anytime soon.
How is suspicious defined? If people are being removed from planes for looking/acting suspiciously where is the line drawn? Not all Muslims are of middle-eastern origin... not all terrorists are male, and not all upstanding citizens are smiley caucasians. They might as well ban air travel. It's the only solution.
If I was your friend I'd tell the cops to either charge me, or go take a huge flying fuck. Cops hide the fact that they're pretty damn soft in the head behind a veil of authority. It's actually pretty laughable how stupid cops are upstairs outside of the mundane thug idiocy on the street..
ya know i understand that sentiment but all that does is give the cops an excuse to harrass him further and possibly arrest him.........cops love when you resist.....haven't you ever watched "Cops":)
"homeland security" takes on a traditional guise. it's an excuse. i've noticed in the past few years that local cops have been getting edgier and prone to personal paranoias. the upside of that is that you get some precincts that discover their cool.
traditional guise? an excuse for what?
and yeah, what happened to collin's friend sucks. that sounds like some clear cut racial profiling and i dont know why anyone would call the cops on him for just sitting there. but i feel like out on the street is a different place than in an enclosed space like a bus or plane. there were several layers here... passengers complain, crew notices strange behavior, air marshals notice their seating pattern and moving seats, and they were removed from the plan. that does not sound unreasonable to me at all. and while i am acknowledging the occasional heightened wariness based on stereotypes, i do not think acting upon mere suspicion or paranoia makes any sense. maybe the passengers were scrutinizing the muslim men more than they would have scrutinized a white person, but they certainly contributed to arousing suspicion with some of their behavior, if the reports are true... which remains to be seen. so im not ready to label this a case of "all americans are ignorant racist pricks who hate muslims" so quickly.
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What's 'suspicious'? And would it be reported as well?
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dude I dont know. everyone has a different opinion. there is no concrete answer
True, perhaps I need to apologize, I've seen some (racial) profiling and know how the guys it happened to felt. And the reason is always "suspicious behaviour".
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and as i said, that's tough shit, but it's the way the world works. i think that response got lost being at the bottom of a page right before the rollover though
Wow, a common sense answer.
Some folks are so obsessed with white guilt and thus pretend to appear to be sensitive to the plights of minorities.
I may be going out on a limb here, but I betcha many of these same folks wouldn't lift a finger to help said minorities, would never dream of living in or going near their neighborhoods, and internally feel nervous around "those people."
Sadly yes, and your examples in the other post are true. If there are a bunch of teens being rowdy in a NYC train, you'll pay more attention to them than to the people who are quietly sitting, minding their own business.
That's not racism, that's just being careful.
But what happens to my friend is racism and people tolerate it because 'that's the way the world works'.
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why is it being safe when the kid on the train is white, but it's racism becos your friend is a minority?
But I guess we'll see what happens in court.
btw, after they were cleared again (7 hrs later) US airways refused to give them passage on any other flights.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15856333/site/newsweek/?nav=slate
from the washington post article.
Passengers and flight attendants told law-enforcement officials the imams switched from their assigned seats to a pattern associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks and also found in probes of U.S. security since the attacks -- two in the front row first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two in the rear of the cabin.
"That would alarm me," said a federal air marshal who asked to remain anonymous. "They now control all of the entry and exit routes to the plane."
A pilot from another airline said: "That behavior has been identified as a terrorist probe in the airline industry."
The imams who claimed two first-class seats said their tickets were upgraded. The gate agent told police that when the imams asked to be upgraded, they were told no such seats were available. Nevertheless, the two men were seated in first class when removed.
If someone is acting "suspicious" I talk to them. I'll even tell them that I find their behavior to be suspicious. And it was a white kid who said he'd stab me, every time, guess what? they never did. People talk shit.
All you people living in fear, when all you gotta do is confront it.
so b/c you happened to call one kids bluff, it's now universal?
People do talk shit a lot, but there are also a lot of people who back it up.
Yeah it is a bit of he said she said. but the case against the airline is pretty strong. I mean from your article it says that passengers told law enforcment that the imams were in a sept 11th seating pattern, for some reason that's hard to believe. I mean I highly doubt that any passenger knew exactly the seating positions. But fine, maybe it's possible because it's a formation issue. Also it was the passengers that got nervous and that's why the muslims were taken off. I mean it was other passengers that alerted flight attendents of this so suspicious behavior. why did'nt the attendents take the initiative? I mean if these people were acting so strange. also at some point any passenger will control an exit. in this case the exits were taken by people who were muslim. perhaps airlines should build a special area for muslims passengers? like a cage.
But yeah, more details will come out I'm sure. I'd like to look at the video records of them prior to boarding. maybe it shows them hugging eachother and burning american flags? I dunno. But so far it does seem like ignorance of the part of other passengers and the airline.
Depends what you do when they talk shit.
I hope I didn't come across that the imams were clearly in the wrong and the passengers in the right...I'm sure ignorance played into it somewhat and perhaps both sides are at fault for this happening. The hard thing is that this is such a subjective thing. I'm sure airlines are thinking to themselves at times like these...we can prob let everyone on the airplane w/o incident BUT if something happens and it gets out that we didn't investigate something there will be hell to pay.
If the Imams case is correct and they were removed for no cause, it is sad.
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Forget the Muslims! Can we do this for all the little pricks on board who kick the back of my seat while their over-paid under-attentive parents ignore the little bastards?
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
Maybe everyone should be locked up in personal cages, with electroshock wrist and neck bands that are set off when they move 3 inches in any direction.
Perhaps everyone should be chained up at all times and all freedom stripped, the government converted to communism and everyone forced into trades and given daily rations.
Then everyone will be safe from everyone except the government.
Everything here sounds good. Thanks for adding the (and dems) part, too. I was beginning to worry they had lost their majority.
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"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
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"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
I wonder if American Airlines has any Muslim pilots on staff...or if they used to, if they fired them all
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My friend isn't a rowdy kid on a train. He's a very nice and friendly guy, stays away from trouble, doesn't drink, doesn't do drugs. He doesn't like hanging out in bars etc. he's more likely to stay home and watch a movie. Really, he's not a trouble maker. If a black or brown kid is being rowdy and you don't feel safe and decide to report this kid, that's not racism at all.
But when he's just waiting for a bus somewhere and people call the cops on him, it's racism. I've stood their waiting for my bus plenty of times and so have most of my other friends. We're all way more noisy and more likely to get into trouble than him. Yet he's the one they called the cops on, he's the one who had to show ID, hand over his backpack and explain why he was waiting for a bus at that hour.
And that's not the only story, at first he didn't want to believe it but now it has become so obvious it's hard to ignore. Everytime the cops stop him, he has to go through this whole process, show ID, explain why... the last time, in January, they questioned him for 40 minutes. He was just walking home from his girlfriend. Two days ago me and my other friend (also white) were walking down the street smoking a joint when the cops showed up. They could smell the weed, our eyes were red and he had a hard time explaining what we were doing there, I almost started laughing. Very suspicious behaviour, if you ask me. They wrote down our info, that's it. It took 3 minutes.
It pisses me off.
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If I was your friend I'd tell the cops to either charge me, or go take a huge flying fuck. Cops hide the fact that they're pretty damn soft in the head behind a veil of authority. It's actually pretty laughable how stupid cops are upstairs outside of the mundane thug idiocy on the street..
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over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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"homeland security" takes on a traditional guise. it's an excuse. i've noticed in the past few years that local cops have been getting edgier and prone to personal paranoias. the upside of that is that you get some precincts that discover their cool.
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Well, my friend is kind of timid and I don't see it happening anytime soon.
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ya know i understand that sentiment but all that does is give the cops an excuse to harrass him further and possibly arrest him.........cops love when you resist.....haven't you ever watched "Cops"
traditional guise? an excuse for what?
and yeah, what happened to collin's friend sucks. that sounds like some clear cut racial profiling and i dont know why anyone would call the cops on him for just sitting there. but i feel like out on the street is a different place than in an enclosed space like a bus or plane. there were several layers here... passengers complain, crew notices strange behavior, air marshals notice their seating pattern and moving seats, and they were removed from the plan. that does not sound unreasonable to me at all. and while i am acknowledging the occasional heightened wariness based on stereotypes, i do not think acting upon mere suspicion or paranoia makes any sense. maybe the passengers were scrutinizing the muslim men more than they would have scrutinized a white person, but they certainly contributed to arousing suspicion with some of their behavior, if the reports are true... which remains to be seen. so im not ready to label this a case of "all americans are ignorant racist pricks who hate muslims" so quickly.