Six Muslim men removed from a plane

jlew24asu

Collin wrote:

A paranoid world.

if grandma nanna was speaking in tongues and people wanted her removed I'd say people are paranoid.

but this.....justified.

anyone remember what happen last time a bunch of muslim dudes acted suspiciously on a plane?

chromiam

jlew24asu wrote:

6 muslim men acting suspiciously on an airplane and people get concerned? yea what a crazy sad world we live in

6 muslim, 6 jewish, 6 white... does it really matter??? they were acting suspicious. I'm sure the airline would have acted the same no matter what the ethnicity of the passangers was.

Collin

chromiam wrote:

6 muslim, 6 jewish, 6 white... does it really matter??? they were acting suspicious. I'm sure the airline would have acted the same no matter what the ethnicity of the passangers was.

The airline might have, if they had received a complaint to begin with.

jlew24asu

chromiam wrote:

6 muslim, 6 jewish, 6 white... does it really matter??? they were acting suspicious. I'm sure the airline would have acted the same no matter what the ethnicity of the passangers was.

yes it matters. but if 6 men of any race acted suspiciously the same action should be taken.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Racist stereotypes fucking rock!!!!

Collin

jlew24asu wrote:

yes it matters. but if 6 men of any race acted suspiciously the same action should be taken.

How would you know six white men for example even belonged to the same group? Do you really pay that much attention to everyone on the plane? Or do people only pay attention to the brown Muslim men who wear a turbans?

jlew24asu

Collin wrote:

How would you know six white men for example even belonged to the same group? Do you really pay that much attention to everyone on the plane? Or do people only pay attention to the brown Muslim men who wear a turbans?

maybe they are sitting together, or sat together at the gate, boarded together. its not hard to figure out sometimes

soulsinging

Collin wrote:

How would you know six white men for example even belonged to the same group? Do you really pay that much attention to everyone on the plane? Or do people only pay attention to the brown Muslim men who wear a turbans?

you know, im not racist or prejudiced, but im sorry, that is the way it goes. if im on a plane im more nervous about 6 muslims talking about saddam than 6 white guys talking about their 401k. if im on the nyc subway, im more nervous about 6 young black men being rowdy and talking shit than i am about the asian family of 4 sitting behind them. that's the way it goes. if i meet a muslim, do i assume they're a terrorist? no of course not, nor do i treat them any differently from anyone else. if i meet a black man do i assume he's a gangster? no, of course not, and i will not treat them different from anyone else. but when im out there in public in various situation where certain people are more prone to cause problems for me, then i make myself aware of that. when i go to football games, im wary of drunken white guys with frat shirts.

when was the last time a white man hijacked an airplane? an asian? a black man?

Collin

jlew24asu wrote:

maybe they are sitting together, or sat together at the gate, boarded together. its not hard to figure out sometimes

Perhaps.

I think people will pay more attention to people who look different, especially if these people are Middle Eastern and about to board a plane. All it takes is a racist or a scared person to see suspicious behaviour, behaviour they wouldn't normally classify as 'suspicious' or wouldn't even notice if it were "western looking" people who acted in this way.

jlew24asu

Collin wrote:

Perhaps.

I think people will pay more attention to people who look different, especially if these people are Middle Eastern and about to board a plane.

I cant imagine why

All it takes is a racist or a scared person to see suspicious behaviour, behaviour they wouldn't normally classify as 'suspicious' or wouldn't even notice if it were "western looking" people who acted in this way.

I disagree. if people are acting suspicious on a plane, it will be noticed. no matter who you are.

Collin

jlew24asu wrote:

I disagree. if people are acting suspicious on a plane, it will be noticed. no matter who you are.

What's 'suspicious'? And would it be reported as well?

jlew24asu

Collin wrote:

What's 'suspicious'? And would it be reported as well?

dude I dont know. everyone has a different opinion. there is no concrete answer

Collin

jlew24asu wrote:

dude I dont know. everyone has a different opinion. there is no concrete answer

True, perhaps I need to apologize, I've seen some (racial) profiling and know how the guys it happened to felt. And the reason is always "suspicious behaviour".

soulsinging

Collin wrote:

True, perhaps I need to apologize, I've seen some (racial) profiling and know how the guys it happened to felt. And the reason is always "suspicious behaviour".

and as i said, that's tough shit, but it's the way the world works. i think that response got lost being at the bottom of a page right before the rollover though

norm

we're assuming the people that complained were as enlightened as us. they could just be ignorant assholes who don't want to fly with anyone brown.

fanch75

soulsinging wrote:

you know, im not racist or prejudiced, but im sorry, that is the way it goes. if im on a plane im more nervous about 6 muslims talking about saddam than 6 white guys talking about their 401k. if im on the nyc subway, im more nervous about 6 young black men being rowdy and talking shit than i am about the asian family of 4 sitting behind them. that's the way it goes. if i meet a muslim, do i assume they're a terrorist? no of course not, nor do i treat them any differently from anyone else. if i meet a black man do i assume he's a gangster? no, of course not, and i will not treat them different from anyone else. but when im out there in public in various situation where certain people are more prone to cause problems for me, then i make myself aware of that. when i go to football games, im wary of drunken white guys with frat shirts.

when was the last time a white man hijacked an airplane? an asian? a black man?

Wow, a common sense answer.

Some folks are so obsessed with white guilt and thus pretend to appear to be sensitive to the plights of minorities.

I may be going out on a limb here, but I betcha many of these same folks wouldn't lift a finger to help said minorities, would never dream of living in or going near their neighborhoods, and internally feel nervous around "those people."

Collin

soulsinging wrote:

and as i said, that's tough shit, but it's the way the world works. i think that response got lost being at the bottom of a page right before the rollover though

Sadly yes, and your examples in the other post are true. If there are a bunch of teens being rowdy in a NYC train, you'll pay more attention to them than to the people who are quietly sitting, minding their own business.

That's not racism, that's just being careful.

But what happens to my friend is racism and people tolerate it because 'that's the way the world works'.

soulsinging

Collin wrote:

Sadly yes, and your examples in the other post are true. If there are a bunch of teens being rowdy in a NYC train, you'll pay more attention to them than to the people who are quietly sitting, minding their own business.

That's not racism, that's just being careful.

But what happens to my friend is racism and people tolerate it because 'that's the way the world works'.

why is it being safe when the kid on the train is white, but it's racism becos your friend is a minority?

MrBrian

One of the suspicious reasons given was that they sat in different seats, but of course those are the seats that they were assigned, let's also remember that they were allowed to board the plane, they passed all the security checks before and because they were muslims probably had their ball sacs searched at the X ray area. and I think one of them was even blind. To me it all sounds like some ignorant passengers got freaked out by these 6 men for no real good reason.

But I guess we'll see what happens in court.

btw, after they were cleared again (7 hrs later) US airways refused to give them passage on any other flights.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15856333/site/newsweek/?nav=slate

chopitdown

MrBrian wrote:

One of the suspicious reasons given was that they sat in different seats, but of course those are the seats that they were assigned,

it's all coming down to he said she said

from the washington post article.
Passengers and flight attendants told law-enforcement officials the imams switched from their assigned seats to a pattern associated with the September 11 terrorist attacks and also found in probes of U.S. security since the attacks -- two in the front row first-class, two in the middle of the plane on the exit aisle and two in the rear of the cabin.
"That would alarm me," said a federal air marshal who asked to remain anonymous. "They now control all of the entry and exit routes to the plane."
A pilot from another airline said: "That behavior has been identified as a terrorist probe in the airline industry."

The imams who claimed two first-class seats said their tickets were upgraded. The gate agent told police that when the imams asked to be upgraded, they were told no such seats were available. Nevertheless, the two men were seated in first class when removed.