Israel wiped off the map: Well the current "state" of condition of Israel is doomed to be wiped from the pages of history, not the map ...there's no map..he never said the words map. He meant the "regime occupying Jerusalem" will cease to exist and be wiped from the pages of history.
To clarify further:
1. He did not "say" this, he quoteD it, from a past Islamic cleric.
2. It was a PASSIVE verb. the phrase was "mustFADE from the pages of history"
As in, the current occupying regime in Israel is oppressive and wrong, and MUST FADE from the pages of history.
Further,
whomever said, if Ahmadinejad didn't mean what he said, why didn't he come out and say so. HE DID.
His Minister of Foreign Affairs came out and challenged that quote the next week.
:cool:
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's president said on Monday Israel would soon disappear off the map and that the "satanic power" of the United States faced destruction, in his latest verbal attack on the Islamic Republic's arch-foes.
"You should know that the criminal and terrorist Zionist regime which has 60 years of plundering, aggression and crimes in its file has reached the end of its work and will soon disappear off the geographical scene," he said.
Turning to the United States, he said the era of decline and destruction of its "satanic power" had begun and added: "The bell on the countdown of the destruction of the empire of power and wealth has begun to ring."
I don't entirely disagree. Whether it's by means of a very disgruntled man like him, who IMO has reason to be upset with Israel and the U.S., or by other means, i.e. economic, I think history has shown that once a country tries to pull the shit that the U.S. has been pulling....they eventually fail.
One of the smartest men alive wrote a book on it...you should check it out.
In April, a senior Iranian army commander said Iran will respond to any military attack from Israel by "eliminating" it, in comments condemned by Washington
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seems a perfectly logical response to me.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
1. He did not "say" this, he quoteD it, from a past Islamic cleric.
2. It was a PASSIVE verb. the phrase was "mustFADE from the pages of history"
As in, the current occupying regime in Israel is oppressive and wrong, and MUST FADE from the pages of history.
Further,
whomever said, if Ahmadinejad didn't mean what he said, why didn't he come out and say so. HE DID.
His Minister of Foreign Affairs came out and challenged that quote the next week.
:cool:
Yet you will hear people parrot "wipe Israel off the map" by millions for many years to come.
Is there some kind of back woods contest going on to blow up as many middle eastern countries as possible now? *cough PNAC*
You really have to ask yourself how much longer they can keep this charade going before people finally start figuring it out.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
...
Do you remember 1991? We were supposed to be met with the 'Mother Of All Battles'.
Moral: Don't take what these fucking guys over there say... so seriously.
I don't take them seriously at all ... They are retarded throwbacks to the Dark Ages with a lot more bark than bite. My point was, if this guy shoots off his mouth, people shouldn't waste mental energy trying to blame everyone in the Western world for persecuting poor defenseless Iran. Sorry, just officially reached the point where I am no longer willing to pretend that we are the only stupid ones here.
I wonder how many racist, sabre-rattling quotes from senior Israeli politicians and military men I could find which speak of wiping all Palestinians off the face of the earth, and describing them all as dogs, e.t.c?
I wonder how many racist, sabre-rattling quotes from senior Israeli politicians and military men I could find which speak of wiping all Palestinians off the face of the face of the earth, and describing them all as dogs, e.t.c?
Anyone wanna hazard a guess?
no.
but you know thats different, right steve?
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Huh? Does 444 days mean anything to you? Why do you want to support some nut who says the Holocaust never happened? You are probably the same person who supported Saddam when he was in power. Do you always support dictators?
What kind of person is that? .... OH! You must refer to the George Bush sr. Yes he was a great supporter of Saddam in the 80s (ever heard of the war between iraq and iran?)
What kind of person is that? .... OH! You must refer to the George Bush sr. Yes he was a great supporter of Saddam in the 80s (ever heard of the war between iraq and iran?)
After a couple years back it's just a big fuzzy black hole for Kh...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
What kind of person is that? .... OH! You must refer to the George Bush sr. Yes he was a great supporter of Saddam in the 80s (ever heard of the war between iraq and iran?)
HW Bush also set Saddam up at the time of the incursion in to Kuwait.
The White House had sent private communication to Iraq informing Saddam that the USA would fully support it's ally in any decision to invade Kuwait.
Of course, as soon as Iraq actually did this, we fucked them in the ass.
Strange.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I wonder how many racist, sabre-rattling quotes from senior Israeli politicians and military men I could find which speak of wiping all Palestinians off the face of the earth, and describing them all as dogs, e.t.c?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.
"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.
"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.
"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.
"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online
“The only solution is Eretz Israel [Greater Israel], or at least Western Eretz Israel [all the land west of Jordan River], without Arabs. There is no room for compromise on this point … We must not leave a single village, not a single tribe.”
Joseph Weitz, Director of the Jewish National Fund, the Zionist agency charged with acquiring Palestinian land, Circa 194. Machover Israca, January 5, 1973 p.2
“The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strive to fulfill — From the Nile to the Euphrates.”
Ben Gurion, 1973
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum” in 1980
“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.”
Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983
“We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel… Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.”
Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces – Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983
“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.”
Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983
“There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies? Not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy.”
Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001
“Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”
Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio
Ze'ev Jabotinsky stated in a letter to one of his Revisionist colleagues in the United States dated November 1939:
"We Jews, thank God, have nothing to do with the East. . . . The Islamic soul must be broomed out of Eretz-Yisrael. . . . [Muslims are] yelling rabble dressed up in gaudy, savage rags."
(Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 29)
Israel Zangwill wrote in an article published in "Voice Of Jerusalem" in 1920, that Palestinians' cultural "backwardness" was a justification for the removal of the population or "transfer". He stated:
"We cannot allow the Arabs to block so valuable a piece of historic reconstruction ..... And therefore we must generally persuade them to 'trek.' After all, they have all Arabia with its million square miles .... There is no particular reason for the Arabs to cling to these few kilometers. 'To fold their tents and silently steal away' is their proverbial habit: let them exemplify it now." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 14, and Righteous Victims, p. 140)
Zionist leader Moshe Smilansky said in 1914:
"We must not forget that we are dealing here with a semi-savage people, which has extremely primitive concepts. And this is his nature: If he senses in you power- he will submit and will hide his hatred for you. And if he senses weakness- he will dominate you .... Moreover ... owing to the many tourists and urban Christians, there developed among the Arabs base values which are not common other primitive people ... to lie, to cheat, to harbor grave [unfounded] suspicions and to tell tales.... and a hidden hatred for the Jews. These Semites- they are anti-Semites." (Righteous Victims, p. 43)
“Look, in the wake of this war, the people of Israel need to begin to say the truth. The deceptive myths must end. The myth that we can abandon territory without it becoming a launching ground for attacks on us and the myth that this struggle is over the outcome of the 1967 war.
“we therefore must be honest with ourselves-if we can’t give the land away and we can’t keep the land with this hostile nation upon it, we must encourage them to leave.”
Eitam said he discussed his ideas with US Attorney General John Ashcroft who, Eitam said, was very receptive to the idea.
“The assertion that the world will not allow transfer to occur is another deception.”
The poll showed that Likud leader Benyamin Netanyahu, who is opposed to the creation of a Palestinian state, had a an approval rate of 58%.
Netanyahu had suggested on several occasions that Israel should take every conceivable measure to lower the birth rate of non-Jews in Israel.
Last year, he boasted that cuts in social benefits to Israel’s Arab citizens were forcing Arab families to have fewer children.
Netanyahu has also been trying to lump the Palestinian plight and the decades-old Israeli occupation of the Palestinian homeland with the so-called “clash of civilizations” between Islam and the West.'
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5195
'Extremist rabbi Yousef Falay, who dwells at the Yitzhar settlement on illegally seized Palestinian land in the northern part of the West Bank, wrote an article in a Zionist magazine under the title "Ways of War", in which he called for the killing of all Palestinian males refusing to flee their country, describing his idea as the practical way to ensure the non-existence of the Palestinian race.
"We have to make sure that no Palestinian individual remains under our occupation. If they (Palestinians) escape then it is good; but if anyone of them remains, then he should be exterminated", the fanatic rabbi added in his article...
The Kach movement recognizes the 'transfer' of 750,000 Palestinians that took place in 1948 in order for the state of Israel to be created on their land, but argues on their website that this 'transfer' was incomplete, and that all Palestinians must be sent away, or killed, in order for Israel to remain a 'Jewish state'. Their platform reads, "In a genuinely 'JEWISH State', how can an Arab be an equal when that State has an Independence Day celebrating his defeat. Its flag isn't that of its people. He isn't trusted to serve in the army. His cousin born in Haifa [sic] and fled during the 1948 War of Independence cannot return... yet any Jew who never lived there before is welcomed with open arms. In short, Israel is his enemy's country, not his. So how can an Arab truly be a loyal citizen in a Jewish State? Simply, they cannot, and they must go!"
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To clarify further:
1. He did not "say" this, he quoteD it, from a past Islamic cleric.
2. It was a PASSIVE verb. the phrase was "mustFADE from the pages of history"
As in, the current occupying regime in Israel is oppressive and wrong, and MUST FADE from the pages of history.
Further,
whomever said, if Ahmadinejad didn't mean what he said, why didn't he come out and say so. HE DID.
His Minister of Foreign Affairs came out and challenged that quote the next week.
:cool:
If I opened it now would you not understand?
One of the smartest men alive wrote a book on it...you should check it out.
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/3/31/exclusive_noam_chomsky_on_failed_states
seems a perfectly logical response to me.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Yet you will hear people parrot "wipe Israel off the map" by millions for many years to come.
Is there some kind of back woods contest going on to blow up as many middle eastern countries as possible now? *cough PNAC*
You really have to ask yourself how much longer they can keep this charade going before people finally start figuring it out.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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Roll your eyes at me when you learn to stop talking out of your ass.
I don't take them seriously at all ... They are retarded throwbacks to the Dark Ages with a lot more bark than bite. My point was, if this guy shoots off his mouth, people shouldn't waste mental energy trying to blame everyone in the Western world for persecuting poor defenseless Iran. Sorry, just officially reached the point where I am no longer willing to pretend that we are the only stupid ones here.
Anyone wanna hazard a guess?
no.
but you know thats different, right steve?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
What kind of person is that? .... OH! You must refer to the George Bush sr. Yes he was a great supporter of Saddam in the 80s
After a couple years back it's just a big fuzzy black hole for Kh...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
HW Bush also set Saddam up at the time of the incursion in to Kuwait.
The White House had sent private communication to Iraq informing Saddam that the USA would fully support it's ally in any decision to invade Kuwait.
Of course, as soon as Iraq actually did this, we fucked them in the ass.
Strange.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Nope, still needs work.
Well, you are Mr. Google, so have at 'er ...
I wonder...
http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=6595
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Well, God gave it to them..
God should read this....
http://www.iranaffairs.com/iran_affairs/2007/10/iran-and-israel.html
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.
"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.
"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.
"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.
"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.
"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online
“The only solution is Eretz Israel [Greater Israel], or at least Western Eretz Israel [all the land west of Jordan River], without Arabs. There is no room for compromise on this point … We must not leave a single village, not a single tribe.”
Joseph Weitz, Director of the Jewish National Fund, the Zionist agency charged with acquiring Palestinian land, Circa 194. Machover Israca, January 5, 1973 p.2
“The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strive to fulfill — From the Nile to the Euphrates.”
Ben Gurion, 1973
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum” in 1980
“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.”
Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983
“We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel… Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.”
Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces – Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983
“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.”
Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983
“There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies? Not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy.”
Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001
“Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”
Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio
Ze'ev Jabotinsky stated in a letter to one of his Revisionist colleagues in the United States dated November 1939:
"We Jews, thank God, have nothing to do with the East. . . . The Islamic soul must be broomed out of Eretz-Yisrael. . . . [Muslims are] yelling rabble dressed up in gaudy, savage rags."
(Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 29)
Israel Zangwill wrote in an article published in "Voice Of Jerusalem" in 1920, that Palestinians' cultural "backwardness" was a justification for the removal of the population or "transfer". He stated:
"We cannot allow the Arabs to block so valuable a piece of historic reconstruction ..... And therefore we must generally persuade them to 'trek.' After all, they have all Arabia with its million square miles .... There is no particular reason for the Arabs to cling to these few kilometers. 'To fold their tents and silently steal away' is their proverbial habit: let them exemplify it now." (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 14, and Righteous Victims, p. 140)
Zionist leader Moshe Smilansky said in 1914:
"We must not forget that we are dealing here with a semi-savage people, which has extremely primitive concepts. And this is his nature: If he senses in you power- he will submit and will hide his hatred for you. And if he senses weakness- he will dominate you .... Moreover ... owing to the many tourists and urban Christians, there developed among the Arabs base values which are not common other primitive people ... to lie, to cheat, to harbor grave [unfounded] suspicions and to tell tales.... and a hidden hatred for the Jews. These Semites- they are anti-Semites." (Righteous Victims, p. 43)
http://www.muslimbrotherhood.co.uk/Home.asp?zPage=Systems&System=PressR&Press=Show&Lang=E&ID=5325
'Knesset member Effie Eitam of the National-Union-National Religious Party (NPR) told Israeli Army Radio (Gal Tzahal) that Israel’s Arab citizens (nearly 25% of the population) were a fifth column, saying that the state ought to “encourage” Arabs to leave.
“Look, in the wake of this war, the people of Israel need to begin to say the truth. The deceptive myths must end. The myth that we can abandon territory without it becoming a launching ground for attacks on us and the myth that this struggle is over the outcome of the 1967 war.
“we therefore must be honest with ourselves-if we can’t give the land away and we can’t keep the land with this hostile nation upon it, we must encourage them to leave.”
Eitam said he discussed his ideas with US Attorney General John Ashcroft who, Eitam said, was very receptive to the idea.
“The assertion that the world will not allow transfer to occur is another deception.”
The poll showed that Likud leader Benyamin Netanyahu, who is opposed to the creation of a Palestinian state, had a an approval rate of 58%.
Netanyahu had suggested on several occasions that Israel should take every conceivable measure to lower the birth rate of non-Jews in Israel.
Last year, he boasted that cuts in social benefits to Israel’s Arab citizens were forcing Arab families to have fewer children.
Netanyahu has also been trying to lump the Palestinian plight and the decades-old Israeli occupation of the Palestinian homeland with the so-called “clash of civilizations” between Islam and the West.'
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=5195
'Extremist rabbi Yousef Falay, who dwells at the Yitzhar settlement on illegally seized Palestinian land in the northern part of the West Bank, wrote an article in a Zionist magazine under the title "Ways of War", in which he called for the killing of all Palestinian males refusing to flee their country, describing his idea as the practical way to ensure the non-existence of the Palestinian race.
"We have to make sure that no Palestinian individual remains under our occupation. If they (Palestinians) escape then it is good; but if anyone of them remains, then he should be exterminated", the fanatic rabbi added in his article...
The Kach movement recognizes the 'transfer' of 750,000 Palestinians that took place in 1948 in order for the state of Israel to be created on their land, but argues on their website that this 'transfer' was incomplete, and that all Palestinians must be sent away, or killed, in order for Israel to remain a 'Jewish state'. Their platform reads, "In a genuinely 'JEWISH State', how can an Arab be an equal when that State has an Independence Day celebrating his defeat. Its flag isn't that of its people. He isn't trusted to serve in the army. His cousin born in Haifa [sic] and fled during the 1948 War of Independence cannot return... yet any Jew who never lived there before is welcomed with open arms. In short, Israel is his enemy's country, not his. So how can an Arab truly be a loyal citizen in a Jewish State? Simply, they cannot, and they must go!"
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