Yeah, so a complete gun ban is relatively unrealistic and shouldn't really be expected; states with hunting culture and households that contain a gun for protection are (i guess) one thing, but the fact that just about any idiot can relatively easily obtain an automatic or sub-automatic weapon, or that just about any impulsive, moronic yokel can obtain a concealed weapons license is pretty goddamn scary to me. why do people need these things again? ohhhhh, that's right. they don't. at all.
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
By that I mean, something is different about the people, not the guns.
Though, "Gun Culture" might have something to do with it. Because the U.S. culture in general supports the use of guns for show and because the U.S. people are afraid of the big bad Muslim amongst other things.
It's not the actual guns that kill, it's the culture, and it's uniquely american.
I'd have to say that's way off. Americans were collecting guns on a grand scale way, way before the muslim picture came about. In fact, I'd have to say there is probably NOBODY in america who bought a gun just to fight terrorists. This is because americans think terrorists will attack by sneaking around with bombs, not by shooting people with guns. I'd say you're probably just trying to make americans look bad even if it means resorting to an alternate reality.
Gun fascination is a universal sentiment, not just american. To say it's "uniquely" american is like saying left wing propaganda is uniquely canadian, when such dribble is clearly found all over the world.
isn't ANY radical propeganda dribble?....i mean if you sat through a two hour video of bush flying over the blossoming flower if iraqi democracy with a raging boner, wouldn't you think maybe it was just a weeee bit dribblish?
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
I'm sure if you reduced that number by the number of people who deserved what they got or had it coming to them one way or another, it would be comparable to if not a lot less than Britain's number.
Killing good...street justice good....did you read...if we had the same number of guns as Britain only 365 Americans would be dead instead of 12000.....so many less people would "deserve" to die....
Gun fascination is a universal sentiment, not just american. To say it's "uniquely" american is like saying left wing propaganda is uniquely canadian, when such dribble is clearly found all over the world.
have you spent much time with people of other countries???? I'm thinking probably not.....canada maybe kinda close......Europe, Asia......people would never ever contemplate owning a gun......more guns more people die...oh forgot many deserve it.
Yeah, so a complete gun ban is relatively unrealistic and shouldn't really be expected; states with hunting culture and households that contain a gun for protection are (i guess) one thing, but the fact that just about any idiot can relatively easily obtain an automatic or sub-automatic weapon, or that just about any impulsive, moronic yokel can obtain a concealed weapons license is pretty goddamn scary to me. why do people need these things again? ohhhhh, that's right. they don't. at all.
you could ban guns really easy.....you have 6 mos to turn in your guns....gov. pays you 150% face value...or more..fk we spend a gazzilion dollars in Iraq this will be pennies. If you don't and are caught with a gun you go to jail minimum 5 year sentence. End of story. Likely..no, realistic, not till big brother stops telling us we're all going to die and be fearful.
Killing good...street justice good....did you read...if we had the same number of guns as Britain only 365 Americans would be dead instead of 12000.....so many less people would "deserve" to die....
That's like saying that the 365 britains who died actually "deserved" it. And to keep with that rationale, that's like saying that Britain's gun law actually makes people less deserving of death. If you are going to try to counter my point, you should try to think about what you're saying so that you at least follow some kind of rule of logic.
have you spent much time with people of other countries???? I'm thinking probably not.....canada maybe kinda close......Europe, Asia......people would never ever contemplate owning a gun......more guns more people die...oh forgot many deserve it.
lmao. read the statistics in the other gun thread. you obviously have some very skewed ideas about how the world is. also take some time to think about how many billions of dollars "shoot em up" gun movies make world wide every single year. lmao. this thread has hit a new low.
also take some time to think about how many billions of dollars "shoot em up" gun movies make world wide every single year. lmao. this thread has hit a new low.
you should consider that shoot-em-up movies are generally high production value flicks that are extremely action packed and contain scenes with effects that cost millions of dollars to produce. people in other countries eat them up because few people their countries are moronic enough to aspire to blow $100 million dollars making an insignificant little movie. it's just a theatrical experience for a lot of countries who otherwise don't have much in the way of high-impact action films. just because shoot-em-up films create impressive international revenues doesn't mean everyone is grossly obsessed with gun ownership. audiences in many countries go apeshit over these films, yet also live in countries with relatively low gun ownership per capita...
Do you see the way that tree bends?
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
you could ban guns really easy.....you have 6 mos to turn in your guns....gov. pays you 150% face value...or more..fk we spend a gazzilion dollars in Iraq this will be pennies. If you don't and are caught with a gun you go to jail minimum 5 year sentence. End of story. Likely..no, realistic, not till big brother stops telling us we're all going to die and be fearful.
i can't believe some one from Texas would be so anti-gun!!wow!!
Some Gun Control Facts!
1911 Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1929 The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1935 China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1938 Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 6 to 7 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and 12 million Christians who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1956 Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1964 Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1970 Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Doctors vs. Guns U.S. Statistics:
Number of physicians in the US = 700,000
Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year =120,000
Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171 (U.S. Dept. of Health &
Human Services)
Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000
Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) =1,500
Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188 (U.S. Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms)
Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous
than gun owners.
Greece. Ireland. Jamaica. Bermuda. England. Canada. New York City. What do all of these countries or jurisdictions have in common? The answer: each government used gun registration lists to later confiscate firearms. more
History repeats itself, always has, always will, and those who haven't learned their history are doomed to repeat it.
Having the Gold, they were in deed privileged to make the rules. And THAT they finally did with the Federal Reserve Act and the Federal Reserve Bank. This was long after the Militia became such a little known concept that People forgot about their POWER, and the day that they protected themselves from the plundering of the Creditor Class. Since that time there is a continued record of the efforts of the Creditor Class to control the flow of Arms in this land. To prove it, look at the Second Amendment. The Word "infringed" means to hinder. Yet the Federal Government has hindered the creation and sale (spread) of arms in this land, despite the Second Amendment. And who is in charge of overseeing this hindrance of the People being armed with the only types of weapons that they are allowed to possess pursuant to Miller v. U.S.? The Creditor Class; through their own Branch of Government called the Treasury Department.
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
lmao. read the statistics in the other gun thread. you obviously have some very skewed ideas about how the world is. also take some time to think about how many billions of dollars "shoot em up" gun movies make world wide every single year. lmao. this thread has hit a new low.
I can't say i know anyone here in england who owns a gun or even cares to own one. It just isn't necerssary.
The idiots going around shoting and stabbing people here are part of a stupid childish street gang culture.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Banning guns is not a reasonable solution at all imo. About 70 million Americans own guns and about 11-12 thousand die each year from being shot which is about 0.0035% of the population. That’s a very low percentage no matter how you look at it. Higher relative to other countries, yes, but still quite low overall. And assuming each gun death is caused by a different gun owner (which will yield a low estimate since many gun owners kill more than one person) that means only about 0.016% of gun owners are killing other people each year. That’s a very low percentage, and this estimate also doesn’t take into account the percentage of gun deaths that are justified killings in self-defense. People should make note that the 11-12 thousand number isn't necesarily "gun-related homicides", it's "gun-related deaths".
I’m not saying the current laws don’t need changes because I think they do. It is too easy to get a gun legally (nevermind illegally). But flat out banning gun ownership is not something I want. The fact is, 99.98% of gun owners are not killing people with their guns.
The US has the most guns per capital in the world, even though overall violent and property crime has reached a 32-year low. Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond....
Britain's rising levels of gun crime
By Sophie Borland and Aislinn Simpson
Last Updated: 3:12am BST 24/08/2007
The number of young people prosecuted for firearms offences has soared by 20 per cent in the past five years, it was revealed earlier this month.
In 2001, 1,193 youngsters under age 21 went to magistrates courts on gun related charges. By 2005, that had risen to 1,444. The statistics come after a recent wave of gun crime in Britain’s inner cities, with many victims not even out of their teens.
Shadow home affairs minister James Brokenshire said: “The rise in gun crime demonstrated by these figures is alarming.”
In April Bernard Hogan-Howe, the chief constable of Merseyside Police, insisted new laws to make reporting information on shootings and possession of guns a 'duty’’ were essential because people were too scared to come forward.
Mr Hogan-Howe, in the running to be the next Metropolitan Police commissioner, said the wall of silence protecting the increasing number of young people drawn into gun crime had to be broken.
In an interview with The Guardian, he said Britain should adopt laws similar to those in Australia "where people have a duty to report information about gun crime to the police".
But he called on the Government to push them further and apply them to firearm victims too frightened of reprisals to press charges.
"The challenge is people who survive do not want to complain and the best witness is quite often the victim who can provide a description and motive," he said.
"By refusing to help it can put the investigation on to the back foot."
His comments come as police chiefs voice growing frustration at the difficulty in tackling gun crime among youths.
Mr Hogan-Howe told the newspaper his force was already evicting families that harboured children who possessed guns, and moving them to other areas.
His officers are also instructed to stop and search suspects regularly. The chief constable, who attended a gun crime summit at Downing Street in February, said such initiatives were leading the way in stamping out the problem.
I blame rap and bling.
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- PJ avoid me like the plague
i can't believe some one from Texas would be so anti-gun!!wow!!
Some Gun Control Facts!
1911 Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1929 The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1935 China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1938 Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 6 to 7 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and 12 million Christians who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1956 Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1964 Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1970 Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Doctors vs. Guns U.S. Statistics:
Number of physicians in the US = 700,000
Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year =120,000
Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171 (U.S. Dept. of Health &
Human Services)
Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000
Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) =1,500
Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188 (U.S. Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms)
Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous
than gun owners.
Greece. Ireland. Jamaica. Bermuda. England. Canada. New York City. What do all of these countries or jurisdictions have in common? The answer: each government used gun registration lists to later confiscate firearms. more
History repeats itself, always has, always will, and those who haven't learned their history are doomed to repeat it.
Having the Gold, they were in deed privileged to make the rules. And THAT they finally did with the Federal Reserve Act and the Federal Reserve Bank. This was long after the Militia became such a little known concept that People forgot about their POWER, and the day that they protected themselves from the plundering of the Creditor Class. Since that time there is a continued record of the efforts of the Creditor Class to control the flow of Arms in this land. To prove it, look at the Second Amendment. The Word "infringed" means to hinder. Yet the Federal Government has hindered the creation and sale (spread) of arms in this land, despite the Second Amendment. And who is in charge of overseeing this hindrance of the People being armed with the only types of weapons that they are allowed to possess pursuant to Miller v. U.S.? The Creditor Class; through their own Branch of Government called the Treasury Department.
i fell asleep reading that
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot". Mark Twain
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
i'll repost the threat if you wish... it was the reason you were banned for 3 days... mr big man
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
i can't believe some one from Texas would be so anti-gun!!wow!!
Some Gun Control Facts!
[snip]
Dude, just about every country in the world have some gun control. Gun control does not equal no guns, it equals limits on guns. And some of those countries went to hell, and in some contries, it can be a ploy for the government to assert control. Has little to do with gun control, which is practiced everywhere in the industrial world except apparently the US. And there are countries outside the US that are just as free, imagine that.
And if guns are supposed to keep the government in check, well I hate to break it to you, that havent stopped your government from introducing several of the most intrusive acts against privacy among western states (patriot acts and whathaveyou).
Now, it's not just the guns' fault, obviously you americans have issues contributing to it. First of which is your enormous income gaps, and the throves of people living under very poor conditions, even while working. Wealthy elite, big poor populace have always been explosive. The race thing which havent completely gone away plays a part, a scrap of frontier spirit as well I suppose. But that aside, that there are guns flowing all over the place and in every other house probably helps you know... And knowing that several of the massacres in the latest years have been with people who the same day walked in and bought a couple of automatic guns right before they went apocalyptic on the world's ass, well, some control might at least curb that also almost uniquely american problem.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
i was just gonna post this when i read yours... simple maths tells me that i have an 8inch willy... it also tells me that i'm far less likely to be shot here in Scotland than in the US... far less.
but a higher chance of being killed by a bomb; or even a knife.
the story shows that when a country bans guns; only the criminals have guns.
That's like saying that the 365 britains who died actually "deserved" it. And to keep with that rationale, that's like saying that Britain's gun law actually makes people less deserving of death. If you are going to try to counter my point, you should try to think about what you're saying so that you at least follow some kind of rule of logic.
lmao. read the statistics in the other gun thread. you obviously have some very skewed ideas about how the world is. also take some time to think about how many billions of dollars "shoot em up" gun movies make world wide every single year. lmao. this thread has hit a new low.
Make note to yourself.....once you save a few bucks...go visit Europe...you'll then realize the utter fool big brothers made of you.
i can't believe some one from Texas would be so anti-gun!!wow!!
Some Gun Control Facts!
1911 Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1929 The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1935 China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1938 Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 6 to 7 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and 12 million Christians who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1956 Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1964 Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1970 Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Doctors vs. Guns U.S. Statistics:
Number of physicians in the US = 700,000
Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year =120,000
Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171 (U.S. Dept. of Health &
Human Services)
Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000
Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) =1,500
Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188 (U.S. Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms)
Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous
than gun owners.
Greece. Ireland. Jamaica. Bermuda. England. Canada. New York City. What do all of these countries or jurisdictions have in common? The answer: each government used gun registration lists to later confiscate firearms. more
History repeats itself, always has, always will, and those who haven't learned their history are doomed to repeat it.
Having the Gold, they were in deed privileged to make the rules. And THAT they finally did with the Federal Reserve Act and the Federal Reserve Bank. This was long after the Militia became such a little known concept that People forgot about their POWER, and the day that they protected themselves from the plundering of the Creditor Class. Since that time there is a continued record of the efforts of the Creditor Class to control the flow of Arms in this land. To prove it, look at the Second Amendment. The Word "infringed" means to hinder. Yet the Federal Government has hindered the creation and sale (spread) of arms in this land, despite the Second Amendment. And who is in charge of overseeing this hindrance of the People being armed with the only types of weapons that they are allowed to possess pursuant to Miller v. U.S.? The Creditor Class; through their own Branch of Government called the Treasury Department.
Compare the US death per capita with other countries......that's the only stat that matters....your dribble above may make you feel better but meaningless.
Compare the US death per capita with other countries......that's the only stat that matters....your dribble above may make you feel better but meaningless.
Take out the "inner city youth" factor and then look at your stats. That skews that data immensely.
i can't believe some one from Texas would be so anti-gun!!wow!!
Some Gun Control Facts!
1911 Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1929 The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1935 China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1938 Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 6 to 7 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and 12 million Christians who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1956 Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1964 Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1970 Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Doctors vs. Guns U.S. Statistics:
Number of physicians in the US = 700,000
Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year =120,000
Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171 (U.S. Dept. of Health &
Human Services)
Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000
Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) =1,500
Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188 (U.S. Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms)
Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous
than gun owners.
Greece. Ireland. Jamaica. Bermuda. England. Canada. New York City. What do all of these countries or jurisdictions have in common? The answer: each government used gun registration lists to later confiscate firearms. more
History repeats itself, always has, always will, and those who haven't learned their history are doomed to repeat it.
Having the Gold, they were in deed privileged to make the rules. And THAT they finally did with the Federal Reserve Act and the Federal Reserve Bank. This was long after the Militia became such a little known concept that People forgot about their POWER, and the day that they protected themselves from the plundering of the Creditor Class. Since that time there is a continued record of the efforts of the Creditor Class to control the flow of Arms in this land. To prove it, look at the Second Amendment. The Word "infringed" means to hinder. Yet the Federal Government has hindered the creation and sale (spread) of arms in this land, despite the Second Amendment. And who is in charge of overseeing this hindrance of the People being armed with the only types of weapons that they are allowed to possess pursuant to Miller v. U.S.? The Creditor Class; through their own Branch of Government called the Treasury Department.
And how many Yanks are going to shoot the local sheriff or whoever would come to round up their toys? You? Charger? I doubt that either of the two of you would shoot up the place before going down in a blaze of glory. You would both hand over your guns, no problem.
but a higher chance of being killed by a bomb; or even a knife.
the story shows that when a country bans guns; only the criminals have guns.
and the end of that story is that criminals only shoot other criminals,well here in Scotland at least... and i couldnt give a fuck if they do that!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Take out the "inner city youth" factor and then look at your stats. That skews that data immensely.
I guess Europe doesn't have "inner city youth" then? I don't see where you're going with that one.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
The execution-style murder of three African-American college students in Newark, N.J., forced to kneel and shot in the head – allegedly by an illegal alien from Peru who was out on bail for the serial rape of a 5-year-old – has the makings of a Willie Horton issue in 2008.
Newark, like New York, is a "sanctuary city," where cops are not to ask criminal suspects if they are in the country legally. Mitt Romney has been hammering Rudy Giuliani on the issue, trashing his tough-cop resume by painting the mayor as den mother of the Big Apple's playpen for illegal aliens.
The arrest of Jose Carranza in that Newark massacre, amid reports he had Hispanic accomplices and the murders may have been part of a gang initiation, has also elevated the issue of the black-brown war raging in U.S. big cities.
In the Aug. 10 Washington Post story that covered the Carranza arrest, the same page had two related articles. One was headlined, "Study: Almost Half of Murder Victims Black," the other, "Slaying of Popular Editor Stuns Blacks in Oakland."
The second headline reveals an ideological slant. One would assume that everyone in Oakland was stunned by the daylight execution of African-American editor Chauncey Bailey, allegedly by a teenage foot soldier at Your Black Muslim Bakery, which Bailey was investigating.
At Bailey's funeral, a mourner held up a sign reading, "Stop Black on Black Violence." That was the subject of the second Post story.
"Nearly half the people murdered in the United States are black," declared the opening paragraph, "part of a persistent pattern in which African-Americans are disproportionately victimized by violent crime, according to a new Justice Department study."
Among other conclusions reported by the Post:
* Blacks are more likely than whites or Hispanics to be victims of crime.
* Blacks are more likely than any other group to be victims of "serious violent crime," such as rape, assault and robbery.
* Blacks were more than twice as likely as whites to be confronted with a firearm during a crime.
"Overall, the new Justice findings jibe with previous studies," said the Post. "For example, a review of FBI data from 2004 by the Violence Policy Center, a liberal-leaning group that campaigns for stricter gun control laws, found that blacks accounted for about half of the nation's murder victims that year."
"Black victimization is a real problem, and it's often black on black," said David Harris, a law professor at the University of Toledo who studies crime statistics.
"Often"? Correction, Harris. As the Post reports and Justice concedes, in more than nine out of 10 cases, black victims are murdered by fellow blacks.
Utterly absent from the Post story and Justice Department stats is anything about white victims of crime. Not a word. Do white folks not count, though they are two-thirds of the population?
Yet, in "The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and Justice in America," produced by the "right-leaning" New Century Foundation in 2005, using the same FBI and Justice surveys, startling facts emerge:
"Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against other blacks." Forty-five percent of the victims of violent crime by blacks are white folks, 43 percent are black, 10 percent are Hispanic.
"Blacks are seven times as likely as people of other races to commit murder, eight times more likely to commit robbery and three times more likely to use a gun in a crime."
"Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit violent crime against a white person than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery." (If decent black folks have trouble hailing a cab, and they do, these numbers may help explain it.)
Black-on-white rape is 115 times more common than the reverse.
Even the two most famous sexual assaults by white men on black women in the last two decades – the Tawana Brawley and Duke rape cases – turned out to be hoaxes.
What do these statistics tell us? A message the Post will not report. The real repository of racism in America – manifest in violent interracial assault, rape and murder – is to be found not in the white community, but the African-American community. In almost all interracial attacks, whites are the victims, not the victimizers.
Why does the Post not report such statistics? My guess: Because the stats would shatter the Post's cultivated image of America as a land where white racism is the great lurking malevolent monster. Stories that conform to the image get play. Stories that contradict it are buried.
But, if the Bush Justice Department is doing in-depth studies on black victims of crime and who is responsible, why not one on the victimization of Americans of all colors and who is responsible?
Or is that information we ought not know, and news not fit to print?
I dont see the relevance to the main point in this thread, namely, your much higher homocide rates over and beyond any comparable country. That blacks tend to be victims says what? If it hadn't been for those inner city gangs, you'd be down at european levels? Europe have inner city gangs as well. Europe has black people and other ethnic groups as well. Somehow, it doesn't end up in as many murders.
I'm not saying if you only had gun control, people wouldn't get killed in the US. It is far deeper and more complicated than that. But I do think it's safe to say that less guns floating around would mean less shooting. If fewer people carried guns around, there would be less shooting. It wouldn't cease altogether.
And simple correlation leads one to want to find what sets america apart from other countries when it comes to homicides. It ain't gangs, it ain't big cities, and it ain't race. By themselves at least, since these variables are no less present in say Britain or France. American (lack of) gun control is unique, perhaps that is a variable that can help explain that unique problem.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
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Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
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I'd have to say that's way off. Americans were collecting guns on a grand scale way, way before the muslim picture came about. In fact, I'd have to say there is probably NOBODY in america who bought a gun just to fight terrorists. This is because americans think terrorists will attack by sneaking around with bombs, not by shooting people with guns. I'd say you're probably just trying to make americans look bad even if it means resorting to an alternate reality.
Gun fascination is a universal sentiment, not just american. To say it's "uniquely" american is like saying left wing propaganda is uniquely canadian, when such dribble is clearly found all over the world.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
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That's like saying that the 365 britains who died actually "deserved" it. And to keep with that rationale, that's like saying that Britain's gun law actually makes people less deserving of death. If you are going to try to counter my point, you should try to think about what you're saying so that you at least follow some kind of rule of logic.
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lmao. read the statistics in the other gun thread. you obviously have some very skewed ideas about how the world is. also take some time to think about how many billions of dollars "shoot em up" gun movies make world wide every single year. lmao. this thread has hit a new low.
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I didn't say it wasn't.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Does it inspire?
Leaning out to catch the sun's rays...
A lesson to be applied.
Best night of my life. . .
Noblesville, IN 06-22-03.
myspace.com/justonemorebottle
i can't believe some one from Texas would be so anti-gun!!wow!!
Some Gun Control Facts!
1911 Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1929 The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1935 China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1938 Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 6 to 7 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and 12 million Christians who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1956 Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1964 Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
1970 Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Doctors vs. Guns U.S. Statistics:
Number of physicians in the US = 700,000
Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year =120,000
Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171 (U.S. Dept. of Health &
Human Services)
Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000
Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) =1,500
Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188 (U.S. Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms)
Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous
than gun owners.
Greece. Ireland. Jamaica. Bermuda. England. Canada. New York City. What do all of these countries or jurisdictions have in common? The answer: each government used gun registration lists to later confiscate firearms. more
History repeats itself, always has, always will, and those who haven't learned their history are doomed to repeat it.
Having the Gold, they were in deed privileged to make the rules. And THAT they finally did with the Federal Reserve Act and the Federal Reserve Bank. This was long after the Militia became such a little known concept that People forgot about their POWER, and the day that they protected themselves from the plundering of the Creditor Class. Since that time there is a continued record of the efforts of the Creditor Class to control the flow of Arms in this land. To prove it, look at the Second Amendment. The Word "infringed" means to hinder. Yet the Federal Government has hindered the creation and sale (spread) of arms in this land, despite the Second Amendment. And who is in charge of overseeing this hindrance of the People being armed with the only types of weapons that they are allowed to possess pursuant to Miller v. U.S.? The Creditor Class; through their own Branch of Government called the Treasury Department.
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
I can't say i know anyone here in england who owns a gun or even cares to own one. It just isn't necerssary.
The idiots going around shoting and stabbing people here are part of a stupid childish street gang culture.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
I’m not saying the current laws don’t need changes because I think they do. It is too easy to get a gun legally (nevermind illegally). But flat out banning gun ownership is not something I want. The fact is, 99.98% of gun owners are not killing people with their guns.
I blame rap and bling.
- PJ avoid me like the plague
i fell asleep reading that
you were sleeping far before you read my post.
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
That is a HUGE part of it.
oh well, as long as someone dies its all good
i'll repost the threat if you wish... it was the reason you were banned for 3 days... mr big man
Dude, just about every country in the world have some gun control. Gun control does not equal no guns, it equals limits on guns. And some of those countries went to hell, and in some contries, it can be a ploy for the government to assert control. Has little to do with gun control, which is practiced everywhere in the industrial world except apparently the US. And there are countries outside the US that are just as free, imagine that.
And if guns are supposed to keep the government in check, well I hate to break it to you, that havent stopped your government from introducing several of the most intrusive acts against privacy among western states (patriot acts and whathaveyou).
Now, it's not just the guns' fault, obviously you americans have issues contributing to it. First of which is your enormous income gaps, and the throves of people living under very poor conditions, even while working. Wealthy elite, big poor populace have always been explosive. The race thing which havent completely gone away plays a part, a scrap of frontier spirit as well I suppose. But that aside, that there are guns flowing all over the place and in every other house probably helps you know... And knowing that several of the massacres in the latest years have been with people who the same day walked in and bought a couple of automatic guns right before they went apocalyptic on the world's ass, well, some control might at least curb that also almost uniquely american problem.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
but a higher chance of being killed by a bomb; or even a knife.
the story shows that when a country bans guns; only the criminals have guns.
Make note to yourself.....once you save a few bucks...go visit Europe...you'll then realize the utter fool big brothers made of you.
Compare the US death per capita with other countries......that's the only stat that matters....your dribble above may make you feel better but meaningless.
Take out the "inner city youth" factor and then look at your stats. That skews that data immensely.
And how many Yanks are going to shoot the local sheriff or whoever would come to round up their toys? You? Charger? I doubt that either of the two of you would shoot up the place before going down in a blaze of glory. You would both hand over your guns, no problem.
and the end of that story is that criminals only shoot other criminals,well here in Scotland at least... and i couldnt give a fuck if they do that!
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
The color of crime
Posted: August 21, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Patrick J. Buchanan
© 2007
The execution-style murder of three African-American college students in Newark, N.J., forced to kneel and shot in the head – allegedly by an illegal alien from Peru who was out on bail for the serial rape of a 5-year-old – has the makings of a Willie Horton issue in 2008.
Newark, like New York, is a "sanctuary city," where cops are not to ask criminal suspects if they are in the country legally. Mitt Romney has been hammering Rudy Giuliani on the issue, trashing his tough-cop resume by painting the mayor as den mother of the Big Apple's playpen for illegal aliens.
The arrest of Jose Carranza in that Newark massacre, amid reports he had Hispanic accomplices and the murders may have been part of a gang initiation, has also elevated the issue of the black-brown war raging in U.S. big cities.
In the Aug. 10 Washington Post story that covered the Carranza arrest, the same page had two related articles. One was headlined, "Study: Almost Half of Murder Victims Black," the other, "Slaying of Popular Editor Stuns Blacks in Oakland."
The second headline reveals an ideological slant. One would assume that everyone in Oakland was stunned by the daylight execution of African-American editor Chauncey Bailey, allegedly by a teenage foot soldier at Your Black Muslim Bakery, which Bailey was investigating.
At Bailey's funeral, a mourner held up a sign reading, "Stop Black on Black Violence." That was the subject of the second Post story.
"Nearly half the people murdered in the United States are black," declared the opening paragraph, "part of a persistent pattern in which African-Americans are disproportionately victimized by violent crime, according to a new Justice Department study."
Among other conclusions reported by the Post:
* Blacks are more likely than whites or Hispanics to be victims of crime.
* Blacks are more likely than any other group to be victims of "serious violent crime," such as rape, assault and robbery.
* Blacks were more than twice as likely as whites to be confronted with a firearm during a crime.
"Overall, the new Justice findings jibe with previous studies," said the Post. "For example, a review of FBI data from 2004 by the Violence Policy Center, a liberal-leaning group that campaigns for stricter gun control laws, found that blacks accounted for about half of the nation's murder victims that year."
"Black victimization is a real problem, and it's often black on black," said David Harris, a law professor at the University of Toledo who studies crime statistics.
"Often"? Correction, Harris. As the Post reports and Justice concedes, in more than nine out of 10 cases, black victims are murdered by fellow blacks.
Utterly absent from the Post story and Justice Department stats is anything about white victims of crime. Not a word. Do white folks not count, though they are two-thirds of the population?
Yet, in "The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and Justice in America," produced by the "right-leaning" New Century Foundation in 2005, using the same FBI and Justice surveys, startling facts emerge:
"Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against other blacks." Forty-five percent of the victims of violent crime by blacks are white folks, 43 percent are black, 10 percent are Hispanic.
"Blacks are seven times as likely as people of other races to commit murder, eight times more likely to commit robbery and three times more likely to use a gun in a crime."
"Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit violent crime against a white person than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery." (If decent black folks have trouble hailing a cab, and they do, these numbers may help explain it.)
Black-on-white rape is 115 times more common than the reverse.
Even the two most famous sexual assaults by white men on black women in the last two decades – the Tawana Brawley and Duke rape cases – turned out to be hoaxes.
What do these statistics tell us? A message the Post will not report. The real repository of racism in America – manifest in violent interracial assault, rape and murder – is to be found not in the white community, but the African-American community. In almost all interracial attacks, whites are the victims, not the victimizers.
Why does the Post not report such statistics? My guess: Because the stats would shatter the Post's cultivated image of America as a land where white racism is the great lurking malevolent monster. Stories that conform to the image get play. Stories that contradict it are buried.
But, if the Bush Justice Department is doing in-depth studies on black victims of crime and who is responsible, why not one on the victimization of Americans of all colors and who is responsible?
Or is that information we ought not know, and news not fit to print?
I'm not saying if you only had gun control, people wouldn't get killed in the US. It is far deeper and more complicated than that. But I do think it's safe to say that less guns floating around would mean less shooting. If fewer people carried guns around, there would be less shooting. It wouldn't cease altogether.
And simple correlation leads one to want to find what sets america apart from other countries when it comes to homicides. It ain't gangs, it ain't big cities, and it ain't race. By themselves at least, since these variables are no less present in say Britain or France. American (lack of) gun control is unique, perhaps that is a variable that can help explain that unique problem.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965