Shame on you! Here's what happens when you ban guns...
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The US has the most guns per capital in the world, even though overall violent and property crime has reached a 32-year low. Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/23/nshot323.xml
Britain's rising levels of gun crime
By Sophie Borland and Aislinn Simpson
Last Updated: 3:12am BST 24/08/2007
The number of young people prosecuted for firearms offences has soared by 20 per cent in the past five years, it was revealed earlier this month.
In 2001, 1,193 youngsters under age 21 went to magistrates courts on gun related charges. By 2005, that had risen to 1,444. The statistics come after a recent wave of gun crime in Britain’s inner cities, with many victims not even out of their teens.
Shadow home affairs minister James Brokenshire said: “The rise in gun crime demonstrated by these figures is alarming.”
In April Bernard Hogan-Howe, the chief constable of Merseyside Police, insisted new laws to make reporting information on shootings and possession of guns a 'duty’’ were essential because people were too scared to come forward.
Mr Hogan-Howe, in the running to be the next Metropolitan Police commissioner, said the wall of silence protecting the increasing number of young people drawn into gun crime had to be broken.
In an interview with The Guardian, he said Britain should adopt laws similar to those in Australia "where people have a duty to report information about gun crime to the police".
But he called on the Government to push them further and apply them to firearm victims too frightened of reprisals to press charges.
"The challenge is people who survive do not want to complain and the best witness is quite often the victim who can provide a description and motive," he said.
"By refusing to help it can put the investigation on to the back foot."
His comments come as police chiefs voice growing frustration at the difficulty in tackling gun crime among youths.
Mr Hogan-Howe told the newspaper his force was already evicting families that harboured children who possessed guns, and moving them to other areas.
His officers are also instructed to stop and search suspects regularly. The chief constable, who attended a gun crime summit at Downing Street in February, said such initiatives were leading the way in stamping out the problem.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/23/nshot323.xml
Britain's rising levels of gun crime
By Sophie Borland and Aislinn Simpson
Last Updated: 3:12am BST 24/08/2007
The number of young people prosecuted for firearms offences has soared by 20 per cent in the past five years, it was revealed earlier this month.
In 2001, 1,193 youngsters under age 21 went to magistrates courts on gun related charges. By 2005, that had risen to 1,444. The statistics come after a recent wave of gun crime in Britain’s inner cities, with many victims not even out of their teens.
Shadow home affairs minister James Brokenshire said: “The rise in gun crime demonstrated by these figures is alarming.”
In April Bernard Hogan-Howe, the chief constable of Merseyside Police, insisted new laws to make reporting information on shootings and possession of guns a 'duty’’ were essential because people were too scared to come forward.
Mr Hogan-Howe, in the running to be the next Metropolitan Police commissioner, said the wall of silence protecting the increasing number of young people drawn into gun crime had to be broken.
In an interview with The Guardian, he said Britain should adopt laws similar to those in Australia "where people have a duty to report information about gun crime to the police".
But he called on the Government to push them further and apply them to firearm victims too frightened of reprisals to press charges.
"The challenge is people who survive do not want to complain and the best witness is quite often the victim who can provide a description and motive," he said.
"By refusing to help it can put the investigation on to the back foot."
His comments come as police chiefs voice growing frustration at the difficulty in tackling gun crime among youths.
Mr Hogan-Howe told the newspaper his force was already evicting families that harboured children who possessed guns, and moving them to other areas.
His officers are also instructed to stop and search suspects regularly. The chief constable, who attended a gun crime summit at Downing Street in February, said such initiatives were leading the way in stamping out the problem.
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That's what you get when you ban guns. A low enough leverl of gun crime that a few hundred cases seems like a problem.
You guys can't see the tears, cos you are drowning in an ocean !!
But wait ... we had 12,118.
I'm a little confused as to how someone in the U.S. can say "Shame on you!" to Britain. We have more than 33 times as many gun-related homicides, shouldn't it be shame on us?
I'm sure if you reduced that number by the number of people who deserved what they got or had it coming to them one way or another, it would be comparable to if not a lot less than Britain's number.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
Be proud of American export! Be very, very proud!
i was just gonna post this when i read yours... simple maths tells me that i have an 8inch willy... it also tells me that i'm far less likely to be shot here in Scotland than in the US... far less.
yo dogg, you said it. that punk be deservin what i be layin down.
So Britain is to blame for tooth decay and gum disease in the U.S. then?
the bad teeth thing is old man... i watched Spike Lee's documentary of New Orleans the other night and most of those people on that had old tombstones for teeth... or some had no teeth at all... i know it was a hurricane but did it knock out all their teeth as well as the levees.
By your logic, which i dont agree with, you could apply that to Britians numbers as well.
Tell that to Chiara Levin's mother.
Peace and Love
Deni
keep a shotgun if you are worried about being attacked
this post is so blinding in its brilliance and simple arithmeticness that i had to quote it again
yea but this thread is about guns......logic and rational thinking doesn't belong here....;)
you used 3 smilies fuckteeth.. i'm going to shoot you in the pancreas
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first of all,guns are as American as apple pie.they are a part of being FREE.
the 2nd amendment was put in place in case the government turned tyrannical (like now) we would have a means of fighting back,averting oppression and re-instilling the law (Constitution). the people out in the streets for the most part are using ILLEGAL firearms!!! law abiding citizens who legally own their guns account for only a fraction of deaths.and their accuracy with said weapons are way above what the police shoot.
are you suggesting only cops and military should have guns? so any group of 50 or more fully armed men could come and take over half your city and you'd be helpless?plus police don't legally have to protect you!!!do you know that?they could sit there and watch you get stabbed to death and not even have to do anything.if you call 911 and say your life is in danger but the cops don't show up for an hour,there is nothing you can legally do. while your whole family's lives could be in peril.
no my friends,THE PUSSY is the man who rather call the cops and hide rather than grab his gun and defend his family!!!
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
-- George Washington
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
-- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188
and Mr. peace himself
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
-- Mahatma Gandhi
this one is for you all
"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficient... The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding."
-- Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis
When only cops have guns, it's called a "police state".
Love your country, but never trust its government.
-- Robert A. Heinlein
"The state calls its own violence `law', but that of the individual `crime'"
-- Max Stirner
"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
-- John F. Kennedy
False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
-- Cesare Beccaria, as quoted by Thomas Jefferson's Commonplace book
Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defence be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?
-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788
ahh the good old days when we were a nation of men.
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
you are 33 times more likely to be shot in the face by a drug-addled retard than i am...
quite comforting that
real men dont need guns.. they use fists, something which you once threatened on me...
p.s. real men dont threaten people on a forum...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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By that I mean, something is different about the people, not the guns.
Though, "Gun Culture" might have something to do with it. Because the U.S. culture in general supports the use of guns for show and because the U.S. people are afraid of the big bad Muslim amongst other things.
It's not the actual guns that kill, it's the culture, and it's uniquely american.
Guns are essentially 100% harmless on their own, aside from any manufacturing toxins introduced into the environment.
Something to go hmm about.
It's all culture baby...lock and load my big mac combo biatch...daddy's gonna get his freak on!!!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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not if i shoot him first:)
i didn't threaten you,you misunderstood.
and you're missing the point as usual.
"I would rather die on my feet than to live on my knees."
Emiliano Zapata
Yes, uniquely guns are harmless even in the hands of our children who accidentally kill each other. It's many times is our culture as in Cypress Hill's Cock The Hammer.
"Hmmm, what you talkin' `bout punk
Gimme room as I light up the boom
Cock the hammer, wave the white banner
Ever heard a gun (Glock) go `click' like a camera?
Cock the hammer!
Cock the hammer, it's time for action!
Cock the hammer!
Cock the hammer, it's time for action!"
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
You misunderstood my post.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
I didn't say that you couldn't.
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=272825
not only did you save me from having to do the research, you totally rocked that.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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