Gun-free zones are recipe for disaster

Im still here

Collin wrote:

Does it also state that the police has no duty to enforce the law?

Llike I said, why don't you do some research on DC vs Heller?

sweetpotato

Im still here wrote:

Llike I said, why don't you do some research on DC vs Heller?

here's a suggestion...

Why didn't you do some research on how to spell the contraction for "I am"? There's supposed to be a fucking apostrophe between the "I" and the "M".

Collin

NMyTree wrote:

Um, the point is that the School Shooter would never get the opportunity to kill 32 people and seriously injure a few dozen more. He'd be neutalized, immediately. That's the point.

You see, I'm not concerned with the shooter/murderer's health. I'm not concerned with the shooters welfare and outcome (how he'll come through all it. )

I'm concerned with innocent men, women and children......the victims or potential victims of the shooter.

If he killed himself before actually hurting anyone, because people were armed and drawing on him. So be it.

It's time to stop having more sympathy for lunatic criminals/murderers and worry about the victims or potential victims.

That is one scenario, yes. But don't you think you should at least take other scenarios into consideration as well? Situations where the student isn't able to shoot down the attacker immediately.

One scenario is when the student has perfect aim. Another scenario is, the shooter is ex-military and is trained to shoot and kill. He kills the student before he even has a chance to draw his gun. Yet another scenario is a student wants to "neutralize the threat", but another student, who didn't see the killer, shoots the student because he thought that guy was the killer, meanwhile the killer has the opportunity to kill others and/or flee. Yet another situation is someone draws a gun and kills two people, and several students want to take him out and start shooting in a crowded area.

Another situation, a few people are drunk, there's a fight and one of the armed student, also drunk, draws his gun (perhaps just to give the other a scare) but he accidently kills a innocent bystander.

I can think of a dozen more reason why this might not be the brightest idea.

One more argument is that it doesn't solve the problem. Your stance is let the killers come and hopefully someone will be able to shoot him before he can shoot anyone else.

This isn't about sympathy for the criminal or murderer. It's about making sure you're not creating a potentially more dangerous environment.

Collin

Im still here wrote:

Llike I said, why don't you do some research on DC vs Heller?

Yeah... I'm not going to do that.

cornnifer

socio-political commentary from the Nuge. Right on.

:rolleyes:

The Nuger can play the fuckin guitar. That much is for sure. The problem is, he opens his mouth and the whole thing goes to shit.

cornnifer

sweetpotato wrote:

here's a suggestion...

Why didn't you do some research on how to spell the contraction for "I am"? There's supposed to be a fucking apostrophe between the "I" and the "M".

i'm not a huge fan of grammar correction on such an informal communication as a message board, but this one made me giggle.

NMyTree

Actually, I really wasn't suggestioning that the students have firearms.

I don't think that would be a good idea.

But teachers and school employees would certainly be good.

dunkman

NMyTree wrote:

But teachers and school employees would certainly be good.

especially this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Huntley

he'd be handy with a gun


oh when we're at it why dont we give firemen giant flamethrowers... as fighting fire with fire seems to be the answer to everything


i vote we give the inhabitants of Sumatra water pistols incase of another Tsunami... not swimming lessons... give them water cannons... far more useful

OutOfBreath

NMyTree wrote:

*snip*
These are the reasons why these shootings are occuring. This country has been raising spineless, overly-sensitive, spolied jellyfish for 20...30 years.

Thank you for your response. But I think you are over-reacting and focusing on the wrong things here. First of all, bad parenting has always been there, always will. That's nothing new. That the elders look with disdain at their young and what the young care about and do, that has been going on since the ancient greeks.

I'd say much more important factors are lack of mental health services, a general increase in the population which makes for less individual space in an evermore urban environment, and, yes, too easy access to guns. I'd start with those very real issues instead of generally lamenting the "spineless" youth of today.

Peace
Dan