i have a strange feeling that a vast large majority of them are.....
Actually, large numbers of them are NOT guilty. That's why the U.S. gov't was letting them go by the dozen, and even in the hundreds, at various points over the last few years. Take a good look at the case of Khaled al-Masri, who was taken by Americans b/c an American commander literally "had a hunch" he was one of the bad guys. He was taken to Guantanamo and tortured. He finally got out after 2 years, or something like that. He was completely innocent.
I presented you with a clear-cut case of fucked-up American justice, and your response is to ignore it. What am i to think ?
well.....when i made the statement that i believe a large majority of these people are guilty i was refering to the 14 gentleman whose profiles i posted in this thread.....
do believe them to be innocent????
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
prisons that house known terrorists are called super-max.....
do some research on them......
I don't agree with the practices of places like Gitmo. Those I consider to be filled with torture and disregard of human rights. And yes, I have read about them.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
well.....when i made the statement that i believe a large majority of these people are guilty i was refering to the 14 gentleman whose profiles i posted in this thread.....
do believe them to be innocent????
I don't give a fuck who you were referring to. To be honest, I sincerely doubt you'd have different feelings for these 14 people than you generally would otherwise. I don't think you give a shit. To you, all that matters is that Americans died, and whatever comes after that is immaterial. At least that's the impression I get after re-reading all your posts in this thread.
I don't give a fuck who you were referring to. To be honest, I sincerely doubt you'd have different feelings for these 14 people than you generally would otherwise. I don't think you give a shit. To you, all that matters is that Americans died, and whatever comes after that is immaterial. At least that's the impression I get after re-reading all your posts in this thread.
i appreciate your thoughts.....
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
What about the 10's of thousands of Iraqi civilians that have died as a result of the war? Do they not count b/c they're not americans?
No, dude, Iraqi's don't count. They're just Muslims - or "towelheads" and "sandniggers" as some American soldiers like to call them. No, forget about trying to tell him that 2800 Iraqi's are dying EVERY FUCKING MONTH b/c of a putrid, self-serving, grotesquely-manipulated war started by the U.S. of A.
As for torture, for those select few, the really bad apples, I wouldn't loose any sleep over that.
Didn't we have camps for Japanesse "sympathizers" right here on us soil during WWII? Perhaps we've forgotten the lessons learned from that.
The threat of death simply dosn't work as a deterant in this situation. The ideology that these people believe is that they will die a martyr, you know the 20 virgins and the whole bit. Life in prison is a much more effective sentence, in my opinion. Every human does deserve due process though, the US sets a terribly bad precident by acting unilaterally, and hiding its actions from the rest of the world.
Simply throwing bombs and killing the "terrorists" isn't going to solve the problem. It may offer a temporary good feeling, like somehow we got them back, but that is only a sign that we are all still pretty pissed off by 9/11.
The issues that allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place are what need to be delt with. The US has spent alot of time and resources tinkering around with gov'ts in the middle east, all over oil and political gain. THAT alone is what caused such hatred for the US. Until we are willing to address the entire issue, nothing will be solved.
If I hear one more time that 9/11 happened becuase people hate us for our freedom, I think I'm going to puke.
I don't agree with the practices of places like Gitmo. Those I consider to be filled with torture and disregard of human rights. And yes, I have read about them.
GITMO????
these prisons have been here in the good ole U.S.A for a long time....
because some people dont deserve the chance for rehabilitation....they deserve to be locked in cages 23 out of 24 hours a day.....
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To be tried in a court of law and imprisoned if found guilty.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
or they could send them to nice prison in New York and throw them in the general population.....that would also do the trick....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I do not wish death upon anyone. But it is good to know you don't agree with torture methods.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
for the rest of you life.....isnt torture......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Actually, large numbers of them are NOT guilty. That's why the U.S. gov't was letting them go by the dozen, and even in the hundreds, at various points over the last few years. Take a good look at the case of Khaled al-Masri, who was taken by Americans b/c an American commander literally "had a hunch" he was one of the bad guys. He was taken to Guantanamo and tortured. He finally got out after 2 years, or something like that. He was completely innocent.
those 2800+ people who died 9-11....
they were innocent....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
do believe them to be innocent????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I think prisoners are allowed more time out of the cell than just 1 hour. That is imprisonment, torture is a bit more graphic.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
do some research on them......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I don't agree with the practices of places like Gitmo. Those I consider to be filled with torture and disregard of human rights. And yes, I have read about them.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I don't give a fuck who you were referring to. To be honest, I sincerely doubt you'd have different feelings for these 14 people than you generally would otherwise. I don't think you give a shit. To you, all that matters is that Americans died, and whatever comes after that is immaterial. At least that's the impression I get after re-reading all your posts in this thread.
What about the 10's of thousands of Iraqi civilians that have died as a result of the war? Do they not count b/c they're not americans?
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
No, dude, Iraqi's don't count. They're just Muslims - or "towelheads" and "sandniggers" as some American soldiers like to call them. No, forget about trying to tell him that 2800 Iraqi's are dying EVERY FUCKING MONTH b/c of a putrid, self-serving, grotesquely-manipulated war started by the U.S. of A.
you must have posted in the wrong thread....
this thread is about 14 suspected terrorists and their imprisonment......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Didn't we have camps for Japanesse "sympathizers" right here on us soil during WWII? Perhaps we've forgotten the lessons learned from that.
The threat of death simply dosn't work as a deterant in this situation. The ideology that these people believe is that they will die a martyr, you know the 20 virgins and the whole bit. Life in prison is a much more effective sentence, in my opinion. Every human does deserve due process though, the US sets a terribly bad precident by acting unilaterally, and hiding its actions from the rest of the world.
Simply throwing bombs and killing the "terrorists" isn't going to solve the problem. It may offer a temporary good feeling, like somehow we got them back, but that is only a sign that we are all still pretty pissed off by 9/11.
The issues that allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place are what need to be delt with. The US has spent alot of time and resources tinkering around with gov'ts in the middle east, all over oil and political gain. THAT alone is what caused such hatred for the US. Until we are willing to address the entire issue, nothing will be solved.
If I hear one more time that 9/11 happened becuase people hate us for our freedom, I think I'm going to puke.
I'm sorry, I don't remember discussing the deaths caused in 9/11. That must be another thread. Coughcoughfuckinghypocritecoughcough.
these prisons have been here in the good ole U.S.A for a long time....
because some people dont deserve the chance for rehabilitation....they deserve to be locked in cages 23 out of 24 hours a day.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
none of these 14 individuals had nothing to do with 9-11????
coughfuckingcoughgetafuckingcluecough...........
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
So in these maximum security prisons they only get 1 hour of daylight. I haven't read that and it is seriously fucked up.
Why?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
There are some people in the world that are simply beyond rehabilitation. They would be a danger to themselves, and anyone else. Its sad, but true.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
but usually after a few of my posts in the moving train....
thats when the personal attacks and name calling starts....hehehehehe
oh well........
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Yeah, that's torture. It made me sick just reading it.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.......................
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I hear ya, I think we all get amped up about things these days. Its a big deal, and people feel strongly.
I do find it hard to get a point across on the train though, especially in threads like these.