Hillary Clinton CNN Debate

slightofjeff

cornnifer wrote:

Look for clinton to start getting sappy, whiny and shed a few tears between now and March 4. She, IMO got killed in the debate. Killed on Cuba, Killed on the preparedness thing, killed on her childish slanders and smears about plagiarism and just words, destroyed on Iraq, hell she even lost on healthcare IMO. Yet, all anyone is talking about is her emotional "human moment". Its like everyone forgot the beating she had just taken in the actual debate. The funny thing is, for all her talk of Obama being all fluff and no substance, he killed her on all matters of substance and she is the one going out with fluff that seemed, once again very contrived. "Its what gets me up in the morning... blah, blah, blah". Fuck her.

It's funny how your perspective can color things. A lot of people seem to have scored this one for Hill-Bill.

cornnifer

slightofjeff wrote:

It's funny how your perspective can color things. A lot of people seem to have scored this one for Hill-Bill.

No one who watched the same debate i saw. At one point, she got booed for fuck's sake.

FinsburyParkCarrots

slightofjeff wrote:

It's funny how your perspective can color things. A lot of people seem to have scored this one for Hill-Bill.

Who?

cornnifer

slightofjeff wrote:

Which brings us back full circle here.

Will he grab a larger portion of the Latino vote or won't he? I'm not saying he won't or can't ... just that's what it's going to take.

He will grab a larger portion than he's been getting. He may not carry the Latino vote, but i think he will get enough. i think the Latino vote, where it is indeed significant in Texas, is a bit overstated. From what i understand it is expected to be about 1/4 of the electorate. Not only that, it is concentrated in areas that aren't exactly delegate rich according to Texas primary policy. What that means is that 3/4 of the electorate is other than Latino, and in more "delegate rich" portions of the state. Besides Obama has been chipping away at the Latino vote. If clinton carries Texas, it won't be by much and she can't afford to split delegates.

FinsburyParkCarrots

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004194672_apondeadlinetexasdebate21.html

slightofjeff

cornnifer wrote:

He will grab a larger portion than he's been getting. He may not carry the Latino vote, but i think he will get enough. i think the Latino vote, where it is indeed significant in Texas, is a bit overstated. From what i understand it is expected to be about 1/4 of the electorate. Not only that, it is concentrated in areas that aren't exactly delegate rich according to Texas primary policy. What that means is that 3/4 of the electorate is other than Latino, and in more "delegate rich" portions of the state. Besides Obama has been chipping away at the Latino vote. If clinton carries Texas, it won't be by much and she can't afford to split delegates.

Yeah, he doesn't have to win the Latinos outright. Just grab a large segment of them. It will be interesting to see if he can pull it off.

Dirty Mosquito

I am still going for Ron Paul!!

http://blog.stevengfullwood.org/Ian%20McKellen.jpg

HAHA!! JK

Im still here

I will vote March 4th

In my opinion, Hillary really kicked ass.......

I had decided on voting Democratic / Obama since yesterday after seeing his care and concern for his fellow man, the fainting spells (he even offered water from behind the poteum to one woman)

I know all my Ron Paul friends will say , "Man, you're a Traitor"

I have always voted Democratic since I was born, I voted for Dukakis, Clinton, Gore and Kerry too. (showing my age now)

I registered Rep just to vote for Ron Paul, but he's got no chance at all (btw Texas is an open primary, I can vote in the Dem or Rep Primary, but only one)

soooooooooooo it's down to Hillary and Obama now

McCain is not a choice, or even the Huck

from the highlights I saw after i got home from killing brain cells Hillary seemed to really impress me, maybe I killed too many brain cells, hell I don't know

but you never know, I may still Vote for Obama

I just don't fucking know

michaelcassio

early in the debate, when she said she lived in texas early in her career signing people up to vote...she was signing them up to vote republican! she switched later when she realized being a dem was a better career move. just one example of her calculated politics. just like telling new yorkers she was part jewish when she ran for senate there. or how about trotting out a little mexican-american boy in a sombrero last week during a speech? she will do or say anything for your vote (watch her start crying in the coming weeks at critical times). i can't respect that.

haha. that shit's funny. i agree, she will do/say anything to get the nomination. she's the least sincere candidate on the ticket, imo. can you paste a link to any of the above information (e.g. working for the republican party, faking jewishness, trotting out a little mexican boy in a sombrero)? i would like to read this info. somewhere. thanks.

michaelcassio

sorry, my quote box fucked up.

ajedigecko

michaelcassio wrote:

early in the debate, when she said she lived in texas early in her career signing people up to vote...she was signing them up to vote republican! she switched later when she realized being a dem was a better career move. just one example of her calculated politics. just like telling new yorkers she was part jewish when she ran for senate there. or how about trotting out a little mexican-american boy in a sombrero last week during a speech? she will do or say anything for your vote (watch her start crying in the coming weeks at critical times). i can't respect that.

haha. that shit's funny. i agree, she will do/say anything to get the nomination. she's the least sincere candidate on the ticket, imo. can you paste a link to any of the above information (e.g. working for the republican party, faking jewishness, trotting out a little mexican boy in a sombrero)? i would like to read this info. somewhere. thanks.

bill and hill, both of them will do what it takes to further their cause.

i lost all respect for bill when he said "i did not inhale"....that fact there proves to me that they will do what it takes.

ledvedderman

I liked her little "emotional" moment last night the first time I heard it spoken...by John Edwards.

KosmicJelli

ajedigecko wrote:

i lost all respect for bill when he said "i did not inhale"....that fact there proves to me that they will do what it takes.

I like the fact Obama has admitted to pot and cocaine use during his teen years... maybe other things... makes him a bit more human....

slightofjeff

October22 wrote:

another thing to keep in mind...rush, ann coulter and other right-wing nuts have said if she gets the nomination they're voting for her over mccain because she's more hawkish. look it up.

No, they aren't voting for her because she's more hawkish. McCain's stance on the war is the only thing Rush, et al agree with him on. He is a big-time war hawk.

In reality, they (say) they would vote for Hillary mostly as a protest against McCain ... he's not conservative enough on practically every other issue ... They feel like if he gets elected, the party of Reagan is dead. They would rather lose one election than lose the direction of the Republican party.

It has nothing to do with her stance on the war. It has everything to do with McCain's stances on everything else near and dear to a conservative's (tiny, black) heart.

blackredyellow

slightofjeff wrote:

No, they aren't voting for her because she's more hawkish. McCain's stance on the war is the only thing Rush, et al agree with him on. He is a big-time war hawk.

In reality, they (say) they would vote for Hillary mostly as a protest against McCain ... he's not conservative enough on practically every other issue ... They feel like if he gets elected, the party of Reagan is dead. They would rather lose one election than lose the direction of the Republican party.

It has nothing to do with her stance on the war. It has everything to do with McCain's stances on everything else near and dear to a conservative's (tiny, black) heart.

And I honestly think that at least in Coulter's case, that she was doing it for attention and to get on the news.

And it is probably right wing talk radio's wet dream to have Hilary elected... their ratings will go back through the roof.

slightofjeff

blackredyellow wrote:

And I honestly think that at least in Coulter's case, that she was doing it for attention and to get on the news.

No doubt about it. I guaran-goddamn-tee you she won't vote for Hillary. But it sure makes a nice headline when you're trying to steer your followers away from the evil McCain.

anotherclone

Has anyone noticed how each of them speak? Its kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy. I noticed this last night a couple times.

Obama says "When I am president..."

Hilary says "I would (do whatever policy/procedure)...". The use of her word "would" almost implies "if". She should say things like "I will" if she wants to come off as a winner. IMO.

Dustin51

Weird how the media see's this. They seem to be saying that Hillary won but didnt do enough to land a knock out blow.

I have no idea what they're talking about. Obama spoke more elequently as always but he beat her on the issues as well.

She got hammered on her negative attack on him. She got hammered on the war. The only other highlight was when she spoke about how it was an honor to run next to him which in my opinion sounded like an audition for a VP nod. Also, Bill has been making a case lately that he has no more interest in being involved politically. I think those two things add up to Hillary trying to get on the ticket. She must really miss the White House LOL.

Dustin51

ajedigecko wrote:

i lost all respect for bill when he said "i did not inhale"....that fact there proves to me that they will do what it takes.

Not trying to be a dickhead but I have to call you out on this statement. The culture of the political climate has changed a lot since '91. I think if Clinton was running today he would just say yo...I smoked a couple J's back in the day so what! So I mean honestly..can you really say you lost all respect for a politician who gave a politically correct answer to a question that has no bearing on what kind of president he would be? At least he acknowledged it in some way, Bush wont even talk about his drug use!

If you want to lose respect for politicians for doing the right thing politically even if it is morally wrong, then you should have no respect for any of these congressmen who gave Bush the yes vote on using military force in Iraq. Everyone did it because they knew that after 9/11 no political campaign could be sustained by a candidate who wasn't with the war effort and that was wrong.

FinsburyParkCarrots

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/22/what-was-clinton-saying-caucus-readers-weigh-in/