Climate Change Skeptics

breakmarysfall

polaris wrote:

hopefully, all your doubts and questions can be answered here ...

http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/climate_change/problems/cause/climate_sceptics/index.cfm

thanks for the post, as always dear polaris.
in this case we just go hand in hand.

Well, but I have a question, too, regarding the link.
I just shortly overlooked the site (and post) but it seems that it offers good argumentation for convincing people who still deny the fact, impact and influence of and on and around climate change.
It is real, we caused it and it is too clearly seen now to overlook anymore.

So why would people still be sceptic? Who pays Fox news to broadcast documentations that would still calm down and deny the fact?
Who stands behind the propaganda that climate change is a hoax, another fear attack, so all very easy to fix.
-so gimme the next champagner breakfast for every one-

Haven't you noticed the weather recently?

Germany/ Europe is wide aware now. The subject is still on every paper every day while we have perfect spring time in the usually snowy February.

...so thanks polaris to pick up the subject again and again.
good work

greetings to kanada.

RockinInCanada

reborncareerist wrote:

farfromglorified is a smart guy, I was needlessly snarky. Too much going on these days.

I agree with the rest of your post. I don't understand enough about economics to actually propose HOW this could be done.

For example.....my company reaches 99.8% sulphur removal from its products before sending by-products to flare....the legislation is somwhere at 96%....it is not hard (for us about $1,000,000...which is less than a day's worth of income) to make this system.....

RockinInCanada

PJPOWER wrote:

Yeah, but I guess you could say that those compounds will help the global warming issue because they will kill us, lol. The thing that I find funny is how people say that global warming can be reversed. Humans are definatately not helping the cause, and are probably speeding up global warming, but it's hard to prove that we are the main cause of it. The more research I do, I learn about solar flares, forest fires, volcanoes, etc. It seems like something that will happen one way or another.........Unless we come up with a way of artificially replinishing the atmosphere.

Hey my whole agenda is simply....clean the environment and keep pollutants out of iy...I find that people can, from both sides of the fence, come together under that goal...the problem arises when people from one side preach doomsday and the other side becomes so enthralled in attacking this attitude it seems they become complacent to do nothing....regardless of whether global warming is a myth or fact we should be doing our best to clean up the environment and it is possible to do economically.....

PJPOWER

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Hey my whole agenda is simply....clean the environment and keep pollutants out of iy...I find that people can, from both sides of the fence, come together under that goal...the problem arises when people from one side preach doomsday and the other side becomes so enthralled in attacking this attitude it seems they become complacent to do nothing....regardless of whether global warming is a myth or fact we should be doing our best to clean up the environment and it is possible to do economically.....

No doubt

know1

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Hey my whole agenda is simply....clean the environment and keep pollutants out of iy...I find that people can, from both sides of the fence, come together under that goal...the problem arises when people from one side preach doomsday and the other side becomes so enthralled in attacking this attitude it seems they become complacent to do nothing....regardless of whether global warming is a myth or fact we should be doing our best to clean up the environment and it is possible to do economically.....

I totally agree.

RockinInCanada

know1 wrote:

I totally agree.

Its how far partianship has gone...it now applies to everything....every policy every law...some days I think people just fail to agree because they have trapped themselves inside an idealogical corner that they do not have the courage to back out of.....I feel that in years past I was becoming that way over the past year I have tried to open myself up and learn....what I have learned is that extreme views are running this world right now and its a dangerous combination....

On the matter of climate change I think too many of those on the left (Nike) feel that the right (Reebok) hate the environment and what to choke the bitch we call Earth to death...while Reebok thinks that Nike is some communist faction hell bent on ruining modern culture and is sick of tired of hearing how the world will end....will Nike and Reebok both shut the fuck up and actually realize EVERYONE wants a cleaner environment....Nike needs to drop the doomsday attitude to bring Reebok to the table and Reebok needs to lighten up and realize there are alternatives (tax free hybrid vehicles, tax refunds for wind/soler/thermal power generation equipment, etc.) that are economically possible....I dunno right now both the left and right are the reason nothing is being done and all this division is getting nothing accomplished....sorry for the rant I just want nice clean air for my children...I want to goto National Parks where litter isn't strewn all over the bloody place....

surferdude

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Hey my whole agenda is simply....clean the environment and keep pollutants out of iy...I find that people can, from both sides of the fence, come together under that goal...the problem arises when people from one side preach doomsday and the other side becomes so enthralled in attacking this attitude it seems they become complacent to do nothing....regardless of whether global warming is a myth or fact we should be doing our best to clean up the environment and it is possible to do economically.....

I'm fully on board with this. I often fall into the trap of defending proper science and critical thinking against the fear mongers. Then I'm perceived to think that global climate change is not occurring or that I want nothing done about it.

RockinInCanada

surferdude wrote:

I'm fully on board with this. I often fall into the trap of defending proper science and critical thinking against the fear mongers. Then I'm perceived to think that global climate change is not occurring or that I want nothing done about it.

I have fallen into the left/right trap way too many times over the past couple years....this past year I become myself.....global warming is the actual topic that made me realize that this right/left wing crap is very bad for us as a society....because no problem every gets solved....it just gets prolonged....

sonicreducer

if every average joe would stop waiting for someone on the news or a big corporation to tell them what to do AND START DOING WHAT THEY CAN INDIVIDUALLY, the corporations and news will follow. they are servants to our needs. jesus!

today i recycled. today i conserved water during my shower, i turned off my computer when i didn't need it, i turned off lights when i didn't need it, i set my heater to a lower temp and put on a sweatshirt,... stay conscious and make a difference,...

RockinInCanada

sonicreducer wrote:

if every average joe would stop waiting for someone on the news or a big corporation to tell them what to do AND START DOING WHAT THEY CAN INDIVIDUALLY, the corporations and news will follow. they are servants to our needs. jesus!

today i recycled. today i conserved water during my shower, i turned off my computer when i didn't need it, i turned off lights when i didn't need it, i set my heater to a lower temp and put on a sweatshirt,... stay conscious and make a difference,...

Amen my friend....it starts with us....the common man...do your part because waiting for those "enlightened" in power to do something will not help anything....

onelongsong

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

Amen my friend....it starts with us....the common man...do your part because waiting for those "enlightened" in power to do something will not help anything....

who do you know in power that's enlightened?

onelongsong

know1 wrote:

Or this one. If humans hadn't existed at all the last 150 years, would the climate of the earth be any different today?

if you follow the natural patterns the earth's cycle would be moving towards another ice age.

RockinInCanada

onelongsong wrote:

who do you know in power that's enlightened?

I don't...hence the quotations.....

sonicreducer

onelongsong wrote:

if you follow the natural patterns the earth's cycle would be moving towards another ice age.

this whole argument shouldn't be about whether we are causing warming or cooling,...

or even harsher weather,...

ALL WE DO IS ARGUE,... NOBODY KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN! LET US START POSTING ABOUT THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE TO CHANGE WHAT WE FEEL IS THE BETTER!

it should be about people not being responsible and nobody holding them accountable. people are wasteful. people are careless. people are uninformed. people are LAZY.

sonicreducer

someone make a post about what they did to change.

someone post how affordable change is.

someone who bought a hybrid, someone who has a great energy saving tool, someone who planted 30 trees,...

let's stop arguing and start doing what we do know can change,...

onelongsong

sonicreducer wrote:

someone make a post about what they did to change.

someone post how affordable change is.

someone who bought a hybrid, someone who has a great energy saving tool, someone who planted 30 trees,...

let's stop arguing and start doing what we do know can change,...

i posted it in another thread last week i believe but if you're asking i will post again.
i went 100% solar a year ago. i am not hooked to the grid. i bought a newer diesel that burns biodiesel. in the us; the government gives great tax breaks for solar conversion. so the costs are up there at first; but my system paid for itself already. now i'm making money by not having to pay for electricity.
i planted 21 trees last year (i just went and counted) but i think 3 died.

RockinInCanada

I bought a more fuel efficient vehicle...

I bought all energy star appliances (for the types of appliances you can at least)....

I recycle bottles/plastic all the time.....

When going to stores I pick up junk that is in my path and place it in the garbage.....some say I am gross but to me the look of garbage all over the place even a parking lot is more disgusting.....

I always turn off all my lights.....if not in the room why have the light on....

Turn off hot water heater/furnace when leaving home for extended period of time....

Just a few examples from me....

sonicreducer

THANK YOU,...

that is what we need to post about

each person will have something to add

the people who haven't done anything, someone from that crowd will think of something new

some genius in that crowd will develop a conscience and develop a new product

if you think that way and keep trying, we can change this world,...



*i am soon to buy a new air filter and cold air intake system as well as a new exaust system -improving fuel economy by close to 34%-

plus i get more HP, yeah!

polaris

farfromglorified wrote:

I don't understand. Are we not part of the "natural cyclical pattern"?

Anyway, I don't think this even answers my question. What would happen to temperatures and sea levels in my hypothetical situation?

i assumed your hypothetical was the emissions related to industry and vehicles and what not ...

you would see an decrease in the warming trend ... at which point glaciers may not melt and sea levels not rise ...

polaris

breakmarysfall wrote:

thanks for the post, as always dear polaris.
in this case we just go hand in hand.

Well, but I have a question, too, regarding the link.
I just shortly overlooked the site (and post) but it seems that it offers good argumentation for convincing people who still deny the fact, impact and influence of and on and around climate change.
It is real, we caused it and it is too clearly seen now to overlook anymore.

So why would people still be sceptic? Who pays Fox news to broadcast documentations that would still calm down and deny the fact?
Who stands behind the propaganda that climate change is a hoax, another fear attack, so all very easy to fix.
-so gimme the next champagner breakfast for every one-

Haven't you noticed the weather recently?

Germany/ Europe is wide aware now. The subject is still on every paper every day while we have perfect spring time in the usually snowy February.

...so thanks polaris to pick up the subject again and again.
good work

greetings to kanada.

because acknowledging climate change comes with a personal price ... one that would require people to consider how their actions affect others and maybe asking people to make changes ...

for many - they don't want to face that situation - so, it is much much easier to deny the existence ...