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Then, the punishment fits the crime? These kids should be treated the same if the victims were black... in which case, there would not be any crime because these women were targeted simply for being white. They should be released to the custody of their parents and not held in jail because the Hate Crime tag does not allow for this option... that's okay? Or should ALL assault defendants be remanded and not be released... like the guys that get in bar fights?
I am FOR Hate Crimes... I believe Terrorists commit Hate Crimes and I think they should NOT be allowed out on bail if they are hauled in on weapons charges or illegal possession of explosives.
Just as I think these fucking kids should not be released to the custody of their parents who don't think they did anything that bad.
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I guess that is where you and I disagree.
What's wrong with putting the guys who get in bar fights in jail for a little while? I never get in bar fights for a reason.
I think your "tough" stance on crime is really just a tough stance of certain types of thought that you disagree with. Why not just have harsher laws in general?
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
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Auto theft??? Hate for your fellow man??? Or... just wanting parts for your own car, but you don't have the money to buy the stereo and shiney wheels.
Could be hatin' cuz they don't have it. = not completely serious here.!
So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
If this whole 'Hate Crime" thing is utilized no matter the color/race of the attackers, then I'm fine with it. It has to be used equally for black-on-white attacks, white-on-black attacks, white-on-hispanic attacks, hispanic-on-white attacks..... and any other combo you can dream up.
What's wrong with putting the guys who get in bar fights in jail for a little while? I never get in bar fights for a reason.
I think your "tough" stance on crime is really just a tough stance of certain types of thought that you disagree with. Why not just have harsher laws in general?
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So, I still don't get it... Kids gang up on white girls because they are white and two drunk guys get in a fight at a bar are basically the same thing? They should all be tossed in jail until their trials are over?
A guy with an unlicensed weapon, gun powder and a map of the Los Angeles area should be treated the same as a guy with weapons and gun powder and all kinds of Islamic Fundamentalist Bin Laden crap found in his place?
Both should be held without bail until their trial is over? Or all should be released back into our communities after making bail?
I don't see a problem with catagorizing criminals and making assessments on them depending upon their risk to our community. I don't mind the two drunken fight guys out there as much as the gang kids that bashed in the girls's heads and the fucking Islamic fuck with the guns and explosives. I don't want the latter two out there in the malls.
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The shitbags committed crimes. Try them for those crimes. If they were in a pack conspiring to do something illegal bring them up on federal RICO charges, too. There are already laws to take care of nailing these assholes without having the nebulous "hate" tag attached.
That's how I feel too. The problem that I can see with "hate" crimes is that its too easy to pin that label on something. And are we punishing people because of their motives? If I go out and beat someone to death my motives shouldn't be the deciding factor on punishment. The fact that I beat someone to death in and of itself is a heinous of crime and should receive a harsher penalty.
That's how I feel too. The problem that I can see with "hate" crimes is that its too easy to pin that label on something. And are we punishing people because of their motives? If I go out and beat someone to death my motives shouldn't be the deciding factor on punishment. The fact that I beat someone to death in and of itself is a heinous of crime and should receive a harsher penalty.
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Beating to death is something altogether different and capital crime attachments already address those differences.
Example:
Your kid beats up some guy that grabs his girlfriend's ass.
Someone beats up your kid because he is white.
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The beatings end up with similar results... not resulting in deaths, but bloodied faces and non-life threatening bone fractures.
Both should carry the same penalty? Should your kid be remanded for beating up the guy... or should the guy that beat up your son be questioned and released?
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My take... if there's some asshole out there beating up people simply because they are white... I want the fucker off the street.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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What's wrong with putting the guys who get in bar fights in jail for a little while? I never get in bar fights for a reason.
I think your "tough" stance on crime is really just a tough stance of certain types of thought that you disagree with. Why not just have harsher laws in general?
-Enoch Powell
Could be hatin' cuz they don't have it.
Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
Otherwise, do away with it.
So, I still don't get it... Kids gang up on white girls because they are white and two drunk guys get in a fight at a bar are basically the same thing? They should all be tossed in jail until their trials are over?
A guy with an unlicensed weapon, gun powder and a map of the Los Angeles area should be treated the same as a guy with weapons and gun powder and all kinds of Islamic Fundamentalist Bin Laden crap found in his place?
Both should be held without bail until their trial is over? Or all should be released back into our communities after making bail?
I don't see a problem with catagorizing criminals and making assessments on them depending upon their risk to our community. I don't mind the two drunken fight guys out there as much as the gang kids that bashed in the girls's heads and the fucking Islamic fuck with the guns and explosives. I don't want the latter two out there in the malls.
Hail, Hail!!!
Your stats are compelling, but you still haven't convinced me that the laws "make sense".
I really don't want to go through all of this again because it's all in the previous thread about hate crimes. I posted a lot in that thread.
Agreed.
That's how I feel too. The problem that I can see with "hate" crimes is that its too easy to pin that label on something. And are we punishing people because of their motives? If I go out and beat someone to death my motives shouldn't be the deciding factor on punishment. The fact that I beat someone to death in and of itself is a heinous of crime and should receive a harsher penalty.
Beating to death is something altogether different and capital crime attachments already address those differences.
Example:
Your kid beats up some guy that grabs his girlfriend's ass.
Someone beats up your kid because he is white.
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The beatings end up with similar results... not resulting in deaths, but bloodied faces and non-life threatening bone fractures.
Both should carry the same penalty? Should your kid be remanded for beating up the guy... or should the guy that beat up your son be questioned and released?
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My take... if there's some asshole out there beating up people simply because they are white... I want the fucker off the street.
Hail, Hail!!!
I strongly agree.
thats figures youd say that -consistent with other posts
those blacks are pure trash that did it
http://groups.msn.com/PearlJamNirvana/messages.msnw
i suppose its defacto in some spots
http://groups.msn.com/PearlJamNirvana/messages.msnw