dispelling the ignorance some harbor towards Ralph Nader
El_Kabong
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'why doesn't he do anything to help 3rd parties on the local and state level?'
he does!!
b/c of the Nader/Gonzalez ticket received a certain number of votes:
-Independent Party of Maryland. Obtained ballot status and the party will be able to field candidates in 2010 without petitioning.
-Independent Party of New Mexico. Obtained ballot status, 2010 candidates without petitioning.
-Independent Party of Hawaii. Obtained ballot status. Because of low vote totals the party must petition candidates for two more elections to obtain a 10 year ballot access status. Chairman Shaun Stenshol pledges to keep party alive and field candidates in 2010.
-Peace Party of Oregon. Obtained ballot status and the party will be able to field candidates in 2010 without petitioning.
-Connecticut Independent Party. Obtained ballot status and the party will be able to field candidates in 2010 without petitioning.
-Preserved ballot status of the Natural Law Party in Michigan.
-Ballot status of Delaware Independent Party, California Peace and Freedom Party, and Florida Ecology Party continues because of criteria other than vote totals.
'why doesn't he do anything in between presidentail election cycles?'
he does!!
sorry, he doesn't love the spotlight as much as others. a good comparison would be nader is the producer who produces and other politicians are p diddy and want to be in front of the camera all the time
an easy search can find countless groups he's started and works w/ as well as
http://www.november5.org
we will have no allegiance to any political party. We want to create a non-partisan mechanism to get problems solved. Action will result when members of Congress hear loud and clear from their constituents back home. This will not be about raising big money for expensive television ads during the Super Bowl. It will involve using tried and true organizing techniques - and all the local creativity we can muster - to make sure that our Representatives respond to our voices, district by district, person by person.
We want to focus on the victories - big and small - that we can achieve. Too much citizen advocacy involves sending emails or letters to Washington, D.C. We need a return to raising our voices on the ground "back home," where Congressional elections are decided.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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Most people look for movie star and celebrity like qualities in adorning favorable judgment whether they realise it or not.
It's actually takes effort not to fall into this perception category.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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the common response i would get when someone would ask who i was voting for and i would say nader was 'is he even running??' and the weekend before the election a coworker said he was voting for bob barr and no one else had even heard of him....
we should have open debates, not manufactured ones by the corporate duopoly
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
So how do you explain 8 years of bush? You think he is good looking.....
or was it the movie star and celebrity like qualities???
That's not what i've been hearing around here for 2 years.
Haha, well, how does anyone explain 8 years of bush?
Really though, I think people like Nader, Gravel, and Kucinich aren't afraid to get mad or raise their voices at times, and that's apparently not a quality people want in a president.
I'd love me some Kucinich mixed in with Obama
Love Kucinich, when he dropped out in the primaries I momentarily lost interest in this election. maybe Obama can appoint DK to a position in the new administration.
Peace.
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
If you're asking me if I think Bush was more photogenic than his opponents at the time.... well yes... I do. Bush is actually very photogenic. More photogenic than Nader, Kucinich, Paul, Giuliani, Barr, Huckabee, Kerry, Gore, Hillary, McCain ...and many more.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Yeah, he's hot all right.
he's on fire.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Nonsense, you do it whether you realise it or not. Everyone does. It's a genetically hardwired condition pre programmed into the brains of pretty much all (if not all) mammals.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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As for Nader, I for one would like to know the reasons of him not offering collaboration with Obama's future government. Is it because he did and was ignored, or he counts on doing it one of these days or he just thinks "fuck it, they don't deserve me"?
You don't perceive other human beings on a scale on how they appear physically and react accordingly? Really? You sure? Children do this by default, as they automatically think better looking teachers are smarter. This association with favoring symmetry in nature applies to pretty much everything with eyes.
Why would Nader offer collaboration to Obama's future govt? Do you know of Nader's thoughts and position on the political apparatus Obama is a part of? He sees it as part of the problem, not a solution.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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Second of all, if you say I react toward other humans as they appear physically I'll agree with you. If you say it has something to do with "good looks" or face symmetry I'll disagree. I know (thanks to an old poster) I'm unconsciously prejudiced towards black and fat people for instance. But believe me ugly unsymmetrical people with charisma can be powerful leaders.
I read somewhere on here (on of the 2500000 threads on Nader before the election) that he aknowledged that Obama would win. And that when he did, Nader and his supporters had to make sure Obama would act politically "left", be it by collaboration or lobbying (if you're not looking for solutions you are part of the problem and all that sort of thing). I thought it was pretty smart at the time.
He gets no media attention because he speaks truth to power. You think that some network exec is going to put him on in primetime reminding americans about the concentration of media, shareholders rights vs board of directors, corporate welfare, living wage and so on and so on?
fire, fire.
Darwin, and information picked up over the years. Ugly, unsymmetrical people can be excellent leaders. The exact same personality with better symmetry makes a better (perceived) leader though. If we do it automatically without realizing as kids, you can bet adults do it as well, (and we all do)....especially men.
Nader is a very smart guy with fantastic ideas, in a boring package with rough edges.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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We'll have to save the link to your post for every time the same people ask the same questions ad nauseum.
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
i don't know what the solution is. i don't think there is one. just don't let the bastards get you. try to improve your community... it's the only thing you can have lasting influence over.
i also think Ralph Nader is only campaigning to sell his books.
How sad is that...Not that I dont agree with it.
glad his political work has had many positive effects.
i just also happen to believe he might've been able to actually produce MORE of his desired results if her personally would've chosen to work his way up....run for congress let's say, rather than president. i think it would've been a LOT more likely for him to get elected at the state level, work his way in, work on programs he supports...work within the system....and THEN make a run for president. but hey, he didn't...and absolutely his choice. i just personally believe that would make his work even that more effective. and then, who knows?
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
well, there was a certain problem of 20,000 ppl being prevented from voting in florida b/c their name was close to that of a felon or committed a crime years in the future according to the report the sec of state (also on the bush campaign) paid millions of $ for....among other things like the supreme court stopping the recount until the deadline then saying they missed the deadline so that's that
then kerry was a horrible candidate
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
no, not at all, i'm saying he's not like obama where he goes to press conferences to speak about bills he had NOTHING to do w/ but is only there b/c the cameras are
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
he tried to meet w/ obama for months but obama 'didn't have time'
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
should the 3rd party candidates that pushed the abolition of slavery and women's rights have done the same?
Nader has created more change in the country in his lifetime than pretty much anyone
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Ironic that so many people crying for change, are the very same calling him an inconsequential nutjob.
The media plays havoc with people minds like no other it seems.
I hope the psychologists are all documenting this reality for future recognition and prevention.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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i will not go round and round with you yet again.
suffice to say, it is merely my opinion of what i'd have liked to see from him.
as to the rest.....we are all entitled to our opinions.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
your definition of "irony" must come from the alanis morrisette school of thought.
cross the river to the eastside