Obama Aligns Foreign Policy with GOP

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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    inmytree wrote:
    Here is the entire quote:



    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/2008/view.bg?articleid=1083688

    I notice the author of the blog does not include the entire quote...

    and, for me, the entire quote makes some sense...


    i don't think it takes away from the first half at all
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    my2hands wrote:
    kind of a misleading thread title dont ya think?

    :rolleyes:

    the AP article, which i included a link to in my original post, has the exact same title.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    my2hands wrote:
    your opinion...
    some view al queda as an actual threat... can't really blame them after 9/11
    90% of obamas donations have been for less then $100...he has created the biggest grassroots campaign finance in the history of this country... as far as indivdual donors and their industry, just like your buddy Ron Paul had no problem accepting donations from a ranking KKK member... he cannot control who donates money to his campaign... obama actually supports full public finding of the elections to eliminate the $ influence in the process and has not accepted money from federal lobbyists... he doesn't make the rules, he just plays by them... i gaurnatee you that Ralph Nader accepts every single $ donated to him... and never asks twice where it came from
    your opinion
    there are alot of people that feel border control is important... cant really call them crazy after the free for all bush border policy... whether or not we like it, immigration is a major issue and has a tremendous affect on our national recources
    so that makes him like Bush? bush believes in turning his head and saying everything is fine... obama states there is a problem and has a proposed resolution...
    he voted for the modified version as did many others... i am against it, but i am also not in charge with providing laws to protect the country either... he did not support the original patriot act by the way... bush would have your toothbrush tapped if he could... but i do have a cocnern for this vote on Obamas part
    you have to have better then that?
    where did you see that?
    um, not really giving much detail... and compared to bush, anyone is progressive on the enviroment... so again i do not see the similarities to Bush at all on this one



    honestly... i dont see how you pointed out any similarities to GW Bush, his ideals, or his policies... at all



    http://www.examiner.com/a-1311821~Fact_Check__Obama_and_Oil_Money.html

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=275309

    and we've been pointing out similarities and your lack of replies have been less than convincing
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    since ppl thought the opinion piece was too opinionated here's the original AP article w/ (shock!!!! gasp!!!!) the same title...i posted the link in the original post but i see some claim it was out of context and the title misleading...take your complaints up w/ the AP

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_BUSH?SITE=AZTUC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


    Mar 28, 11:41 PM EDT


    Obama aligns foreign policy with GOP

    By DEVLIN BARRETT
    Associated Press Writer

    GREENSBURG, Pa. (AP) -- Sen. Barack Obama said Friday he would return the country to the more "traditional" foreign policy efforts of past presidents, such as George H.W. Bush, John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan.

    At a town hall event at a local high school gymnasium, Obama praised George H.W. Bush - father of the president - for the way he handled the Persian Gulf War: with a large coalition and carefully defined objectives.

    Obama began a six-day bus tour through Pennsylvania, the largest remaining primary prize in the contest with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic nomination. Sen. John McCain is the Republican nominee-in-waiting.

    "The truth is that my foreign policy is actually a return to the traditional bipartisan realistic policy of George Bush's father, of John F. Kennedy, of, in some ways, Ronald Reagan, and it is George Bush that's been naive and it's people like John McCain and, unfortunately, some Democrats that have facilitated him acting in these naive ways that have caused us so much damage in our reputation around the world," he said.

    Obama faced criticism in January from Clinton and then-challenger John Edwards for saying Reagan had changed the trajectory of American politics - and that Republicans had been the party of ideas for the last decade or more.

    In one of the more heated moments of the Democratic debates, Clinton challenged him directly on the topic, saying those GOP ideas were "bad for America, and I was fighting against those ideas."

    In his speech Friday night, the Illinois senator charged that Clinton, for all her criticism of the current President Bush, has too often gone along with his decisions.

    "I do think that Sen. Clinton would understand that George Bush's policies have failed, but in many ways she has been captive to the same politics that led her to vote for authorizing the war in Iraq," he said. "Since 9/11 the conventional wisdom has been that you've got to look tough on foreign policy by voting and acting like the Republicans, and I disagree with that."

    McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said Obama "represents an absolute departure" from Reagan and other presidents "whose strength in the face of an outspoken and determined enemy won the greater peace for a generation."

    © 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    El_Kabong wrote:
    since ppl thought the opinion piece was too opinionated here's the original AP article w/ (shock!!!! gasp!!!!) the same title...i posted the link in the original post but i see some claim it was out of context and the title misleading...take your complaints up w/ the AP

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/OBAMA_BUSH?SITE=AZTUC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


    Mar 28, 11:41 PM EDT


    Obama aligns foreign policy with GOP

    By DEVLIN BARRETT
    Associated Press Writer

    GREENSBURG, Pa. (AP) -- Sen. Barack Obama said Friday he would return the country to the more "traditional" foreign policy efforts of past presidents, such as George H.W. Bush, John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan.

    At a town hall event at a local high school gymnasium, Obama praised George H.W. Bush - father of the president - for the way he handled the Persian Gulf War: with a large coalition and carefully defined objectives.

    Obama began a six-day bus tour through Pennsylvania, the largest remaining primary prize in the contest with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic nomination. Sen. John McCain is the Republican nominee-in-waiting.

    "The truth is that my foreign policy is actually a return to the traditional bipartisan realistic policy of George Bush's father, of John F. Kennedy, of, in some ways, Ronald Reagan, and it is George Bush that's been naive and it's people like John McCain and, unfortunately, some Democrats that have facilitated him acting in these naive ways that have caused us so much damage in our reputation around the world," he said.

    Obama faced criticism in January from Clinton and then-challenger John Edwards for saying Reagan had changed the trajectory of American politics - and that Republicans had been the party of ideas for the last decade or more.

    In one of the more heated moments of the Democratic debates, Clinton challenged him directly on the topic, saying those GOP ideas were "bad for America, and I was fighting against those ideas."

    In his speech Friday night, the Illinois senator charged that Clinton, for all her criticism of the current President Bush, has too often gone along with his decisions.

    "I do think that Sen. Clinton would understand that George Bush's policies have failed, but in many ways she has been captive to the same politics that led her to vote for authorizing the war in Iraq," he said. "Since 9/11 the conventional wisdom has been that you've got to look tough on foreign policy by voting and acting like the Republicans, and I disagree with that."

    McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds said Obama "represents an absolute departure" from Reagan and other presidents "whose strength in the face of an outspoken and determined enemy won the greater peace for a generation."

    © 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

    Kennedy was a Democrat, not part of the GOP...

    and McCain's spokesman says Obama is not aligning himself with the GOP...as per the last quote...

    for me, I read this as he will focus on diplomacy...
  • inmytree wrote:
    Kennedy was a Democrat, not part of the GOP...

    and McCain's spokesman says Obama is not aligning himself with the GOP...as per the last quote...

    for me, I read this as he will focus on diplomacy...


    Well lets all hope it isn't the kind of foreign policy 'diplomacy' like Reagan used in El Salvador, Nicaragua and Guatemala.

    JFK had some questionable policies regarding Cuba and Vietnam

    And good ole George Sr. there's just so much to like about that cat. :)

    I honestly wouldn't want those guys names any where near my foreign policy direction...but that's just me.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Well lets all hope it isn't the kind of foreign policy 'diplomacy' like Reagan used in El Salvador, Nicaragua and Guatemala.

    JFK had some questionable policies regarding Cuba and Vietnam

    And good ole George Sr. there's just so much to like about that cat. :)

    I honestly wouldn't want those guys names any where near my foreign policy direction...but that's just me.


    me, either...doesn't anyone remember iran/contra!? panama??

    can anyone plz outline any good those 2 did w/ foreign policy other than outspending the russians and germans?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
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