Obama Aligns Foreign Policy with GOP

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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    inmytree wrote:
    well, I guess that could be said for any one currently running for office, be it Obama, Clinton, McCain, Nader, and so on...

    sadly, I've not yet attained the ability to predict the future...:)

    i would say nader isn't controlled by corporations ... i could be wrong but i doubt it ...
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    No one said they didn't respect your right to make your own decisions. We just point out problems we have with the guy that just so happens to be your choice and then you defend him and we get into these discussions. Saying that I disrespect your choice would have to also say you disrespect my not choicing your choice. I don't think that's the case either way...we're just on here discussing our disagreements.

    I think you read too far into my comments...I see no disrespect here...I did not mean to imply that...
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    polaris wrote:
    i would say nader isn't controlled by corporations ... i could be wrong but i doubt it ...

    someone posted something about his stock portfolio...it's pretty interesting..also, I know he played hitman for a group of lawyers to strike down a proposition that would limit how much a trial lawyer could charge a client...the proposition (law) was defeated, with Nader's help...now lawyers can take 75% of the payout....
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    I think you read too far into my comments...I see no disrespect here...I did not mean to imply that...


    Okay cool then
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    someone posted something about his stock portfolio...it's pretty interesting..also, I know he played hitman for a group of lawyers to strike down a proposition that would limit how much a trial lawyer could charge a client...the proposition (law) was defeated, with Nader's help...now lawyers can take 75% of the payout....


    But Nader has a loooong history of fighting against corporations and putting the people before his own interests. Check out his wiki page or watch that doc I recommended to you. You can not deny that he has put himself out there for the better good of the common man against big business and corruption for decades.
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  • Its Evolution Baby
    Its Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    To me this is nothing more then trying to kiss a little ass with Independent and GOP voters frustrated with the Bush years. He's trying to WIN the election and I can't blame him. If Obama was more like Nader he wouldn't have a chance in HELL to win this election because we are a centrist country. You can't win the election if you are too liberal or to conservative. All Liberal presidents have to suck up a little to the Right to get nominated. Look back at your history.

    People who are making Obama and Hillary out to be just like Bush are laughable imo. I mean Obama voted AGAINST the Iraq war. He wants to redeploy to Afghanistan to fight Al Queda again, bc of that whole 9/11 thing. I don't see anything wrong with this policy. It's not like hes creating new wars for no reason.

    Also he said he liked the diplomacy used by Bush I in Persian Gulf and some of Reagons policies. That is hardly an Alignment on GOP foreign Policy.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    To me this is nothing more then trying to kiss a little ass with Independent and GOP voters frustrated with the Bush years. He's trying to WIN the election and I can't blame him. If Obama was more like Nader he wouldn't have a chance in HELL to win this election because we are a centrist country. You can't win the election if you are too liberal or to conservative. All Liberal presidents have to suck up a little to the Right to get nominated. Look back at your history.

    People who are making Obama and Hillary out to be just like Bush are laughable imo. I mean Obama voted AGAINST the Iraq war. He wants to redeploy to Afghanistan to fight Al Queda again, bc of that whole 9/11 thing. I don't see anything wrong with this policy. It's not like hes creating new wars for no reason.

    Also he said he liked the diplomacy used by Bush I in Persian Gulf and some of Reagons policies. That is hardly an Alignment on GOP foreign Policy.

    Obama's a lot more like Bush than many would like to think. No one claimed that were the exact same.

    Polls show America actually supports most of Nader's ideas. But the media isn't gonna be covering that...rest assured.

    Obama has voted to fund the war and reenact the patriot act.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Obama's a lot more like Bush than many would like to think.

    how is that, exactly
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    how is that, exactly


    panders to special interests
    is going to keep the war going 'if Al Quaeda is there'
    is funded by defense contractors, nuclear power and the financial sector
    says one thing and does another
    voted for the fence in texas
    doesn't support single payer
    supported the patriot act and voted in condi
    is against gay marriage
    support crappy environmental policies that don't do nearly enough
    and on and on
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    But Nader has a loooong history of fighting against corporations and putting the people before his own interests. Check out his wiki page or watch that doc I recommended to you. You can not deny that he has put himself out there for the better good of the common man against big business and corruption for decades.

    sure, but some see past behaviors as predictors of the future...:)
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    But Nader has a loooong history of fighting against corporations and putting the people before his own interests. Check out his wiki page or watch that doc I recommended to you. You can not deny that he has put himself out there for the better good of the common man against big business and corruption for decades.

    And at the same time making a pretty good buck on said corporations.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    inmytree wrote:
    sure, but some see past behaviors as predictors of the future...:)


    And his past behavior is main reason for voting for him. The good that he has brought to this nation outweighs the bad in this case. He can't be making too much off said corporations given how he had to raise $50,000 last week just to get on the ballot in Arizona...yeah, he's rolling in the dough.

    Here's a bit you might find interesting, though.

    http://www.examiner.com/a-1311821~Fact_Check__Obama_and_Oil_Money.html
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    PaperPlates wrote:
    And at the same time making a pretty good buck on said corporations.


    see my last reply ^
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    panders to special interests
    your opinion...
    is going to keep the war going 'if Al Quaeda is there'
    some view al queda as an actual threat... can't really blame them after 9/11
    is funded by defense contractors, nuclear power and the financial sector
    90% of obamas donations have been for less then $100...he has created the biggest grassroots campaign finance in the history of this country... as far as indivdual donors and their industry, just like your buddy Ron Paul had no problem accepting donations from a ranking KKK member... he cannot control who donates money to his campaign... obama actually supports full public finding of the elections to eliminate the $ influence in the process and has not accepted money from federal lobbyists... he doesn't make the rules, he just plays by them... i gaurnatee you that Ralph Nader accepts every single $ donated to him... and never asks twice where it came from
    says one thing and does another
    your opinion
    voted for the fence in texas
    there are alot of people that feel border control is important... cant really call them crazy after the free for all bush border policy... whether or not we like it, immigration is a major issue and has a tremendous affect on our national recources
    doesn't support single payer
    so that makes him like Bush? bush believes in turning his head and saying everything is fine... obama states there is a problem and has a proposed resolution...
    supported the patriot act
    he voted for the modified version as did many others... i am against it, but i am also not in charge with providing laws to protect the country either... he did not support the original patriot act by the way... bush would have your toothbrush tapped if he could... but i do have a cocnern for this vote on Obamas part
    and voted in condi
    you have to have better then that?
    is against gay marriage
    where did you see that?
    support crappy environmental policies that don't do nearly enough
    and on and on
    um, not really giving much detail... and compared to bush, anyone is progressive on the enviroment... so again i do not see the similarities to Bush at all on this one



    honestly... i dont see how you pointed out any similarities to GW Bush, his ideals, or his policies... at all
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    your opinion...
    some view al queda as an actual threat... can't really blame them after 9/11
    90% of obamas donations have been for less then $100...he has created the biggest grassroots campaign finance in the history of this country... as far as indivdual donors and their industry, just like your buddy Ron Paul had no problem accepting donations from a ranking KKK member... he cannot control who donates money to his campaign... obama actually supports full public finding of the elections to eliminate the $ influence in the process and has not accepted money from federal lobbyists... he doesn't make the rules, he just plays by them... i gaurnatee you that Ralph Nader accepts every single $ donated to him... and never asks twice where it came from
    your opinion
    there are alot of people that feel border control is important... cant really call them crazy after the free for all bush border policy... whether or not we like it, immigration is a major issue and has a tremendous affect on our national recources
    so that makes him like Bush? bush believes in turning his head and saying everything is fine... obama states there is a problem and has a proposed resolution...
    he voted for the modified version as did many others... i am against it, but i am also not in charge with providing laws to protect the country either... he did not support the original patriot act by the way... bush would have your toothbrush tapped if he could... but i do acknloledge my cocnern for this vote on Obamas part
    you have to have better then that?
    where did you see that?
    um, not really giving much detail... and compared to bush, anyone is progressive on the enviroment... so again i do not see the similarities to Bush at all on this one



    honestly... i dont see how you pointed out any similarities to GW Bush, his ideals, or his policies... at all


    Only because you choose not to. And frankly, I'm tired of wasting my time telling you anything because it is pointless and goes in one ear and out the other without even being processed. So save your reply of 'that's all you got' or whatever else....you can have this one, champ.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Only because you choose not to. And frankly, I'm tired of wasting my time telling you anything because it is pointless and goes in one ear and out the other without even being processed. So save your reply of 'that's all you got' or whatever else....you can have this one, champ.

    what do you mean i choose not to? you said Obama is tha same as Bush in many ways, which is ridiculous in my opinion... so i asked you to back that up... and what you provided was not very convincing at all to me... no big deal

    not to mention i have heard the nader broken record for the last decade so i know what he is about... its not liek this is ground breaking stuff... besides, what do you know about my ears and what they retain and process? ;) kind of assuming isnt it? or should i say elitist? to assume since i still dont agree with you on who to vote for in november that i am not processing the information?


    funny how Nader disapears into the shadows after the elction is over... where has he been the last 4 years? how come he hasnt been leading the anti war charge? or the champiopn of the enviroment? why does he disappear once the glow of the election lights are gone?



    you guys get too testy over this shit... relax folks... Nader is no fucking Jesus
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    you can have this one, champ.


    thats because you know damn well Obama is not like GW Bush in anyway... not even close


    and if you think so, then i dont know what to tell you except that you are clearly wrong
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    thats because you know damn well Obama is not like GW Bush in anyway... not even close


    and if you think so, then i dont know what to tell you except that you are clearly wrong


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    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    my2hands hates puppies

    see... you're one of the good ones :D


    on 1/21/09 i will be scrutinizing President Obama as much as the next person... and you know that


    ralph nader hates old people ;)
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    see... you're one of the good ones :D


    on 1/21/09 i will be scrutinizing President Obama as much as the next person... and you know that


    ralph nader hates old people ;)

    The point is to get a president in office we won't have to scrutinize over to the extent we have become accustomed to. Once he's in office it's too late to go back then and you're going to have to be partially responsible for getting him in there .
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde

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