So let Bush find his money elsewhere, but no, Obama and you figure, "well if Bush is gonna find the money elsewhere, I might as well give it to him"...
We want the troops to leave iraq, not stay and survive in it.
Yes Obama and me made drafted the bill in congress. No wait he just voted for it. Congressmen make many votes in a day and sometimes you will agree and sometimes you won't.
But to put the entire blame that the troops in Iraq are still there on Obama is ridiculous. Was he speaker of the house?
He has said time and again he his committing to bringing the troops home as President when he ACTUALLY has the power to do so.
And I do believe Bush would have found the funding to keep the troops in Iraq so that vote was completely meaningless. To me it would be easy to spin that as a vote against the troops even if the intent was to end the war.
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what leadership qualities do you feel obama posses?
Easy. Look at how many people have signed onto his campaign. Great leaders only come along once in a lifetime. Obama started at the grassroots level as a community activist like many of us and worked his way up through local and state ranks. Nader had his place and his followers along with himself are becoming more irrelevant as each days passes. Sooner than later he will be classified in the same group as Lydon Larouches (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche) aka nutjobs if he continues along with is pessimistic do-nothing politics. What is the last positive thing Nader has done for this country? He is a grumpy old man with a lot of time on his hands. Obama was not my first choice (Bill Richardson) but he is the only viable candidate that has the potential to turn this country around for the greater good.
“Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened.”
After watching that video I have concluded that Nader has the charisma of Wheat toast without butter. Before anyone starts I know Charisma shouldn't matter but its more an observation.
I think you are just pulling a CYA. We are voting for the President not a Cheerleading Captain. :cool:
I think he does a lot of great work but he does not have the leadership qualities necessary to be President.
I disagree. He has led many groups and knows his shit on a dizzying number of topics. He has educated himself on just about everything under the sun. What he is done for this country cannot be accomplished without leadership qualities.
Like I've said before, why does he want to be President when he accomplishes more fighting for consumer rights. As President he will have to concern himself with ALL matters such as foreign affairs, economy, budget (which would be a disaster under Nader).
Nader should be pushing the democrats to include some of his agenda not running against them in a failing bid for presidency.
From: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/07/09/DI2008070901801.html Olney, Md.: Mr. Nader, I voted for you in the past two elections and I applaud your efforts to challenge the status quo. However, I wonder if some of the issues you care about might be addressed more effectively through local politics, which then could lead to larger, national movements. Have you considered running for elected office as either a senator or governor? Would you consider doing so if your bid for the presidency is unsuccessful this year?
Ralph Nader: My purpose is to have a national impact, arousing people all over the country to challenge the two-party dictatorship and encouraging people to run as independents and third-party candidates at the local state and national levels. In this manner, you stimulate the local through the national and the national through the local. This could not be done running in a state for senator or governor.
Walking can be a real trip
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Obama will make progress on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict a key diplomatic priority. He will make a sustained push – working with Israelis and Palestinians – to achieve the goal of two states, a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state, living side by side in peace and security.
His policy reads to me like he will let Israel do anything they want and the Palestinians can have some peace if they live in their tiny designated area and prove not to be a threat (not a threat = continue to live behind a wall and get searched wherever they go, oh - and, don't fight back if attacked).
I don't like it. I'm generally not a person to jump in on Israel/Palestine threads. I feel biased since the best friend I've made in years is currently living in Tel Aviv and my husband is Jewish.
However, I want to see a TRUE two state solution where Jerusalem is a shared city. I want to see peace. Obama is promising to support Israel's military attacks for just about everything.
It's not good.
Walking can be a real trip
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
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Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
On the video nader says, 'with your generous help, nader/gonzalez will work together, to make the voices for peace heard throughout this election year. together, we will make a difference.'
lovely. awesome. hooray. now can someone please tell me how nader is going to bring peace to israel? i've read his website. it's says all the nice feely touchy mmm i feel good things, but how does he actually propose to do this?
i want to know how. anyone? kabong? outlaw? smithy?, urban?
On the video nader says, 'with your generous help, nader/gonzalez will work together, to make the voices for peace heard throughout this election year. together, we will make a difference.'
lovely. awesome. hooray. now can someone please tell me how nader is going to bring peace to israel? i've read his website. it's says all the nice feely touchy mmm i feel good things, but how does he actually propose to do this?
i want to know how. anyone? kabong? outlaw? smithy?, urban?
Ask Nader
Walking can be a real trip
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
i'm asking his supporters? i can't find anything. can you help me out?
I support his support of a two state solution. As these (diplomatic solutions involving other countries) things go, you start with an idea of WHAT you want to achieve and go from there.
I definitely suggest trying to get more info from the man himself, so you're not relying on middle-man interpretation.
There's going to be this cool house party thing happening where Nader is going to be answering questions from attendees from all over. http://www.votenader.org/houseparty/
Also, I'd keep an eye out for when he's in your area. It's not hard to get into the rallies and he stays to answer questions. As far as cost goes, it's usually suggested, not required. If he gets his word to you for free, that's fine with him. http://www.votenader.org/events/
Walking can be a real trip
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
oh wait, his plan is to criticize and offer nothing....nice policy...
Actually, Nadar mentions in the Youtube clip the international consensus, which is that of the U.N Security Council who call for a two-state settlement on the June 1967 borders.
This is the internationally agreed solution to the conflict which has been continually blocked in the U.N for the past 30 years largely to the tune of 160-2 (U.S and Israel).
The only people offering nothing are the Israeli and U.S governments.
Actually, Nadar mentions in the Youtube clip the international consensus, which is that of the U.N Security Council who call for a two-state settlement on the June 1967 borders.
This is the internationally agreed solution to the conflict which has been continually blocked in the U.N for the past 30 years largely to the tune of 160-2 (U.S and Israel).
The only people offering nothing are the Israeli and U.S governments.
don't kid yourself, Ralph is offering nothing, too...
Just read his stance under the Issues section of his website...it's a nice history lesson, and little else...
On the video nader says, 'with your generous help, nader/gonzalez will work together, to make the voices for peace heard throughout this election year. together, we will make a difference.'
lovely. awesome. hooray. now can someone please tell me how nader is going to bring peace to israel? i've read his website. it's says all the nice feely touchy mmm i feel good things, but how does he actually propose to do this?
i want to know how. anyone? kabong? outlaw? smithy?, urban?
Sounds alot like the "Change" and "Hope" that the Nader minority likes to point and laugh at. Why should Nader bother actually having a plan when he knows he doesnt have a chance in hell of being elected to anything, let alone the presidency.
No matter who is President and what they say it is ultimately up to the people of Israel and Palestine.
No it isn't. It's up to the U.N Security Council. That is if you believe in international law.
Maybe you don't, in which case the Hutu's should have been left to exterminate the Tutsi's, and the Serbs should have been left to exterminate the Bosnian Muslims. (Oh shit! That's exactly what did happen! )
Still, If the U.S had actually opted out of - casted a vote of abstention - interfering in the Israel-Palestine conflict, instead of singularly vetoing any chance at a two-state settlement, then we would have had a peace in that region 30 years ago.
No it isn't. It's up to the U.N Security Council. That is if you believe in international law.
Maybe you don't, in which case the Hutu's should have been left to exterminate the Tutsi's, and the Serbs should have been left to exterminate the Bosnian Muslims. (Oh shit! That's exactly what did happen! )
Still, If the U.S had actually opted out of - casted a vote of abstention - interfering in the Israel-Palestine conflict, instead of singularly vetoing any chance at a two-state settlement, then we would have had a peace in that region 30 years ago.
I'm sorry but the UN Security Council and the US are not going to fix this problem. Both sides are controlled by the extremists who are unwilling to compromise. There are groups of people on both sides who are anxious and willing to work this out but until those people gain control this problem will continue for years.
“Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened.”
I'm sorry but the UN Security Council and the US are not going to fix this problem.
The U.N Security Council won't fix the problem because America won't allow it to by continually using it's power of automatic veto to block any two-state settlement.
Both sides are controlled by the extremists who are unwilling to compromise.
The Palestinians want Israel to do the same thing that the rest of the world, excluding the US, wants them to do- that is, move back to the '67 borders. Once Israel does that with international consensus, they can work with the Palestinians.
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Yes Obama and me made drafted the bill in congress. No wait he just voted for it. Congressmen make many votes in a day and sometimes you will agree and sometimes you won't.
But to put the entire blame that the troops in Iraq are still there on Obama is ridiculous. Was he speaker of the house?
He has said time and again he his committing to bringing the troops home as President when he ACTUALLY has the power to do so.
And I do believe Bush would have found the funding to keep the troops in Iraq so that vote was completely meaningless. To me it would be easy to spin that as a vote against the troops even if the intent was to end the war.
6/7/2003 (***1/2)
7/9/2006 (****1/2)
7/13/2006 (**** )
4/10/2008 EV Solo (****1/2)
6/25/2008 MSG II (*****)
10/1/2009 LA II (****)
10/6/2009 LA III (***** Cornell!!!)
Easy. Look at how many people have signed onto his campaign. Great leaders only come along once in a lifetime. Obama started at the grassroots level as a community activist like many of us and worked his way up through local and state ranks. Nader had his place and his followers along with himself are becoming more irrelevant as each days passes. Sooner than later he will be classified in the same group as Lydon Larouches (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche) aka nutjobs if he continues along with is pessimistic do-nothing politics. What is the last positive thing Nader has done for this country? He is a grumpy old man with a lot of time on his hands. Obama was not my first choice (Bill Richardson) but he is the only viable candidate that has the potential to turn this country around for the greater good.
I think you are just pulling a CYA.
I disagree. He has led many groups and knows his shit on a dizzying number of topics. He has educated himself on just about everything under the sun. What he is done for this country cannot be accomplished without leadership qualities.
You're talking about a man who was able to get an apology from GM in front of Congress. His spirit has been tested and found uncrushable.
From: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/07/09/DI2008070901801.html
Olney, Md.: Mr. Nader, I voted for you in the past two elections and I applaud your efforts to challenge the status quo. However, I wonder if some of the issues you care about might be addressed more effectively through local politics, which then could lead to larger, national movements. Have you considered running for elected office as either a senator or governor? Would you consider doing so if your bid for the presidency is unsuccessful this year?
Ralph Nader: My purpose is to have a national impact, arousing people all over the country to challenge the two-party dictatorship and encouraging people to run as independents and third-party candidates at the local state and national levels. In this manner, you stimulate the local through the national and the national through the local. This could not be done running in a state for senator or governor.
And From: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/24/AR2008062401619.html
"If you're locked out of the governmental system, if you can't get a hearing, and I can't, you go to the electoral system. What's my alternative? Should I go to Monterey and watch the whales?"
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"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
His policy reads to me like he will let Israel do anything they want and the Palestinians can have some peace if they live in their tiny designated area and prove not to be a threat (not a threat = continue to live behind a wall and get searched wherever they go, oh - and, don't fight back if attacked).
I don't like it. I'm generally not a person to jump in on Israel/Palestine threads. I feel biased since the best friend I've made in years is currently living in Tel Aviv and my husband is Jewish.
However, I want to see a TRUE two state solution where Jerusalem is a shared city. I want to see peace. Obama is promising to support Israel's military attacks for just about everything.
It's not good.
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
lovely. awesome. hooray. now can someone please tell me how nader is going to bring peace to israel? i've read his website. it's says all the nice feely touchy mmm i feel good things, but how does he actually propose to do this?
i want to know how. anyone? kabong? outlaw? smithy?, urban?
Ask Nader
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
I support his support of a two state solution. As these (diplomatic solutions involving other countries) things go, you start with an idea of WHAT you want to achieve and go from there.
I definitely suggest trying to get more info from the man himself, so you're not relying on middle-man interpretation.
There's going to be this cool house party thing happening where Nader is going to be answering questions from attendees from all over.
http://www.votenader.org/houseparty/
Also, I'd keep an eye out for when he's in your area. It's not hard to get into the rallies and he stays to answer questions. As far as cost goes, it's usually suggested, not required. If he gets his word to you for free, that's fine with him.
http://www.votenader.org/events/
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
Actually, Nadar mentions in the Youtube clip the international consensus, which is that of the U.N Security Council who call for a two-state settlement on the June 1967 borders.
This is the internationally agreed solution to the conflict which has been continually blocked in the U.N for the past 30 years largely to the tune of 160-2 (U.S and Israel).
The only people offering nothing are the Israeli and U.S governments.
don't kid yourself, Ralph is offering nothing, too...
Just read his stance under the Issues section of his website...it's a nice history lesson, and little else...
Sounds alot like the "Change" and "Hope" that the Nader minority likes to point and laugh at. Why should Nader bother actually having a plan when he knows he doesnt have a chance in hell of being elected to anything, let alone the presidency.
No it isn't. It's up to the U.N Security Council. That is if you believe in international law.
Maybe you don't, in which case the Hutu's should have been left to exterminate the Tutsi's, and the Serbs should have been left to exterminate the Bosnian Muslims. (Oh shit! That's exactly what did happen! )
Still, If the U.S had actually opted out of - casted a vote of abstention - interfering in the Israel-Palestine conflict, instead of singularly vetoing any chance at a two-state settlement, then we would have had a peace in that region 30 years ago.
I'm sorry but the UN Security Council and the US are not going to fix this problem. Both sides are controlled by the extremists who are unwilling to compromise. There are groups of people on both sides who are anxious and willing to work this out but until those people gain control this problem will continue for years.
The U.N Security Council won't fix the problem because America won't allow it to by continually using it's power of automatic veto to block any two-state settlement.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html
Nader is like Al Sharpton in the primaries...
he knows he can't win so he has the luxury of being able to say what people want to hear.