Nader on Obama/Israel

El_Kabong

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij0OjMEJKes


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RolandTD20Kdrummer

Guidelines are put in place before his speeches....er I mean the puppet strings are attached.

and then he dances while people applaud unknowingly in this case...trying to do the right thing, but not accomplishing the goal.

MrBrian

The sad thing is, that video will probably get Obama more votes....

El_Kabong

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Guidelines are put in place before his speeches....er I mean the puppet strings are attached.

and then he dances while people applaud unknowingly in this case...trying to do the right thing, but not accomplishing the goal.

cool beans!

Its Evolution Baby

After watching that video I have concluded that Nader has the charisma of Wheat toast without butter. Before anyone starts I know Charisma shouldn't matter but its more an observation.

I think he does a lot of great work but he does not have the leadership qualities necessary to be President.

Also his policies would not get the support of congress and I think it would crush the man's great spirit.

Like I've said before, why does he want to be President when he accomplishes more fighting for consumer rights. As President he will have to concern himself with ALL matters such as foreign affairs, economy, budget (which would be a disaster under Nader).

Nader should be pushing the democrats to include some of his agenda not running against them in a failing bid for presidency.

Just my $0.02.

El_Kabong

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

After watching that video I have concluded that Nader has the charisma of Wheat toast without butter. Before anyone starts I know Charisma shouldn't matter but its more an observation.

I think he does a lot of great work but he does not have the leadership qualities necessary to be President.

Also his policies would not get the support of congress and I think it would crush the man's great spirit.

Like I've said before, why does he want to be President when he accomplishes more fighting for consumer rights. As President he will have to concern himself with ALL matters such as foreign affairs, economy, budget (which would be a disaster under Nader).

Nader should be pushing the democrats to include some of his agenda not running against them in a failing bid for presidency.

Just my $0.02.

what leadership qualities do you feel obama posses?

MrBrian

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

After watching that video I have concluded that Nader has the charisma of Wheat toast without butter.

I think he does a lot of great work but he does not have the leadership qualities necessary to be President.

Also his policies would not get the support of congress and I think it would crush the man's great spirit.

Like I've said before, why does he want to be President when he accomplishes more fighting for consumer rights. As President he will have to concern himself with ALL matters such as foreign affairs, economy, budget (which would be a disaster under Nader).

Nader should be pushing the democrats to include some of his agenda not running against them in a failing bid for presidency.

Just my $0.02.

Is that the state of american politics, vote for the person with the most charisma?

So the american mind,

Vote for the person with the worst policies but most charisma. Becoz the guy with not so much charisma and better policies would not get the support of congress becoz congress doesnt supprt good issues.

hmmm,

"Nader's Policies are too good so will never get support...So Vote for Obama '08"
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oh and that little nader wheat toast thing, I agree, Nader is healthy wheat bread, no butter. Obama and McCain are shit sandwhiches on white"

Its Evolution Baby

El_Kabong wrote:

what leadership qualities do you feel obama posses?

Whether you disagree with his policies or not you can't argue that he is inspiring a lot of people especially the youth.

There hasn't been a politician like him since 2000 when I started voting.

I tend to agree to his Left-Center agenda and feel he will accomplish a lot with his presidency because he is not trying to be overtly partisan.

Not one Nader voter can explain how he plans to get his bills through with 50% of congress completely despising him and his bills.

As much as I like the guy I know the Republicans will block him at every turn and I don't know if Nader can handle it.

El_Kabong

MrBrian wrote:

Is that the state of american politics, vote for the person with the most charisma?

So the american mind,

Vote for the person with the worst policies but most charisma. Becoz the guy with not so much charisma and better policies would not get the support of congress becoz congress doesnt supprt good issues.

hmmm,

"Nader's Policies are too good so will never get support...So Vote for Obama '08"
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oh and that little nader wheat toast thing, I agree, Nader is healthy wheat bread, no butter. Obama and McCain are shit sandwhiches on white"

that made me laugh out loud

Its Evolution Baby

MrBrian wrote:

Is that the state of american politics, vote for the person with the most charisma?

So the american mind,

Vote for the person with the worst policies but most charisma. Becoz the guy with not so much charisma and better policies would not get the support of congress becoz congress doesnt supprt good issues.

hmmm,

"Nader's Policies are too good so will never get support...So Vote for Obama '08"
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oh and that little nader wheat toast thing, I agree, Nader is healthy wheat bread, no butter. Obama and McCain are shit sandwhiches on white"

You can have your healthy wheat bread then.

I want my Obama Meatball sub!!!

El_Kabong

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Whether you disagree with his policies or not you can't argue that he is inspiring a lot of people especially the youth.

There hasn't been a politician like him since 2000 when I started voting.

I tend to agree to his Left-Center agenda and feel he will accomplish a lot with his presidency because he is not trying to be overtly partisan.

Not one Nader voter can explain how he plans to get his bills through with 50% of congress completely despising him and his bills.

As much as I like the guy I know the Republicans will block him at every turn and I don't know if Nader can handle it.

so, mr brian was correct? actual policies and action are meaningless, it's just about who's more popular?

it's rather simple, if he were voted in as president it would mean the public supported him, so if congress blocks everything they would be held accountable


oh, shit, wait...this the US, we don't hold our elected representatives accountable, we just shrug and say they are all liars in bed w/ corporate lobbyists and that's just how it is so at least i should like to get a beer w/ the guy fucking me in my ass afterwards

Its Evolution Baby

El_Kabong wrote:

that made me laugh out loud

Because you agree. I thought it wasn't very witty myself.

Shit sandwiches????

Are you an Adam Sandler fan???

Its Evolution Baby

El_Kabong wrote:

so, mr brian was correct? actual policies and action are meaningless, it's just about who's more popular?

it's rather simple, if he were voted in as president it would mean the public supported him, so if congress blocks everything they would be held accountable


oh, shit, wait...this the US, we don't hold our elected representatives accountable, we just shrug and say they are all liars in bed w/ corporate lobbyists and that's just how it is so at least i should like to get a beer w/ the guy fucking me in my ass afterwards

Bush was elected president and the Democratic Congress was supposed to block all of his policies.

Do you follow politics???

El_Kabong

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Because you agree. I thought it wasn't very witty myself.

Shit sandwiches????

Are you an Adam Sandler fan???

so under leadership qualities for obama all you can come up w/ is he's charismatic?

and no, not a huge sandler fan

El_Kabong

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

Bush was elected president and the Democratic Congress was supposed to block all of his policies.

Do you follow politics???

that's what you're saying would happen if nader were elected, isn't it?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

People equate not being charismatic or "cool" with not being a viable choice or someone who would be ineffective at the job. From a genetic sense, I suppose it goes back to tribe elders being put forwards usually as appearing the most competent. charismatic, strong, commandeering, powerful, protective, smart etc...

I think this all happens now in our society some time in high school....that part that continues on in our adult lives anyways.

Its Evolution Baby

El_Kabong wrote:

so under leadership qualities for obama all you can come up w/ is he's charismatic?

and no, not a huge sandler fan

I don't know what you are asking? I said that he has inspired me and many people around me who generally don't care about politics.

You also think everyone here agrees with you here. Well I know I don't. I actually like Obama's Iran Policy, I think he will try to get peace in Israel/Palestine no matter what was said at AIPAC (You got to know your audience), i like his plan to provide health care to those who are uninsured while making no changes to people like me who have excellent coverage, I like that he has remained committed to removing the bulk of troops from Iraq within 16 months.

You don't think he's a good leader because you don't agree with him.

MrBrian

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

You can have your healthy wheat bread then.

I want my Obama Meatball sub!!!

ok, enjoy it.
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I give up,

Its Evolution Baby

El_Kabong wrote:

that's what you're saying would happen if nader were elected, isn't it?

Yes the right wing would try to block every single thing Nader would try to pass.

It could even happen to Obama even though he's just like them evidently.

Its Evolution Baby

MrBrian wrote:

ok, enjoy it.
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I give up,

If you want to give up trying to change me and how I tend to vote then you probably should.

If I wasn't going to vote for Nader in 2000 when EVERYONE around me was voting for him then why would I do it now???

And though I should get over it I still blame Nader for a lot of what's happened in the last 8 years.

I think a Gore presidency would have been fantastic but it was derailed by to many people calling him the same as Bush. How hilarious that turned out to be.

MrBrian

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

If you want to give up trying to change me and how I tend to vote then you probably should.

If I wasn't going to vote for Nader in 2000 when EVERYONE around me was voting for him then why would I do it now???

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Bcoz he is still, hands down..the best of the best. But that's obvioulsy not good enough for you. The best of the worst is what you like.