I always put my pants on before my socks. Wanna know why? Because I tend to make logical decisions. Should something happen and you can't finish getting dressed it's gonna be far more beneficial to be sockless than pantless. So, now that we've established the fact that I tend to make logical decisions, let's make the assumption that I can recognize logic. Otherwise, how would I be able to make logical decisions, right? So, having now established that I have the ability to recognize logic, I can assure you that it's entirely logical to believe the president had prior knowledge of the attacks. Thank you and goodnight.
Maybe it's some OCD coming out that forces you to put pants on first and you want to think it's b/c you make logical decisions; therefore, you deliberately lied to me to cover up your mental disorder. I can assure you it's entirely logical to think that you are masking a mental disorder with claiming you are making decisions on logic rather than compulsion. I can make up logic too But seriously, you're not changing my mind and I'm not changing yours.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
Maybe it's some OCD coming out that forces you to put pants on first and you want to think it's b/c you make logical decisions; therefore, you deliberately lied to me to cover up your mental disorder. I can assure you it's entirely logical to think that you are masking a mental disorder with claiming you are making decisions on logic rather than compulsion. I can make up logic too But seriously, you're not changing my mind and I'm not changing yours.
Okay, I agree that we're not converting one another....but in all seriousness, where's the logic in putting your socks on before you put your pants on?
Okay, I agree that we're not converting one another....but in all seriousness, where's the logic in putting your socks on before you put your pants on?
my sock drawer is the top drawer. that's the best i can think of for putting the socks on first...i'll be honest, i've never once thought about it...i guess we'll see what happens tomorrow
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
how much have you researched on the warnings they received?
why were some people told not to fly that day?
foreknowledge, because they were warned. if it was enough to stop a few key players, it should have been enough to stop the whole fucking thing.
Good points, the shady stock market trades that dealt with United and American Airlines are even worse...how could anyone even begin to explain that one away.
Yet again the unabashed apologies for Bush, lol'z all around.
Good points, the shady stock market trades that dealt with United and American Airlines are even worse...how could anyone even begin to explain that one away.
not to mention it took 411 days to start the commission's investigation. bush and cheney wouldn't testify under oath and they wouldn't testify unless they were together. how about the 28 pages that were omitted. wtf? how did they get away with that? no one is above the law, or at least i thought. is this still a republic, where the gov't is limited by the constitution.
you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
~Ron Burgundy
Obvious he knew before? based on what? that he didnt jump up and scream in front of some young children, AMERICA IS UDER ATTACK GET UNDER YOUR DESKS! would that have been acceptable? or then you would say its obvious he was acting, trying to pretend he didnt know. simply amazes me that someone would believe that.
its easy to say after the fact what he should or shouldnt have done. I have no idea what I would have done. I believe he had no prior knowledge of the atacks. with that said, can you imagine what was going on in his head. america has been attacked like that on its mainland ever.
to say he knew something based on his actions when he was told is ridiculous and a pointless argument really. chopitdown is right, he probably would have acted differently would anything have changed that day if he did? no.
obviously you didn't watch the video or read my replies <which were only the first page or 2...>
bush SAID he knew before going into the classroom!!! that is what i fucking base it on!
watch the video, he is asked about 9/11 and replies that he watched the first plane hit the towers on tv before going into the classroom. the fact remaines this is all but impossible as no footage of the first plane hitting was broadcasted until 9/12. so how could he have seen it? he says he watched the first plane hit and thought 'what a bad pilot' and that's that. that was his response.
obviously jumping up and screaming and running in circles would be the wrong respsonse. but, what child doesn't know the president is a busy job? he could've, and as PRESIDENT of the US SHOULD'VE, calmly said he has something to do...this could have been said all sorts of ways, every single one of em in a calm manner and the kids would never think anything was wrong. sorry, but just sitting there and not making any decisions at ALL for how many minutes?? is not how a president should react.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Prob was a slip of the tongue, again you and I have the luxury of not being in that situation. Everyone on this board is so quick to show how bumbling and how stupid bush is and can't say anything right, but yet everyone picks this as his one instance of clarity? Besides, look at the psychological response to trauma and to terrible news, recall of events is not very reliable. Also, we always say the gov't is inept, yet supposedly at 9-11 this was supposed to be their moment of clarity where everything and everyone in the gov't (who are all human and subject to the shortcomings therein) does exactly what they are supposed to do. I'm sure in drills they screw up and that's when there is no danger...now we have complete chaos b/c no one knows what is going on and it's not a drill...don't forget the circumstances in which decisions were made etc...
The only known source for the exercise named Vigilant Warrior is Richard Clarke's book, Against All Enemies. 3 It is possible that the exercise referred to by Clarke was actually Amalgam Warrior, a NORAD field training exercise involving life-fly air interception, held twice yearly, in the spring on the East Coast and the fall on the East Coast. 4
On the morning of the attack, a large-scale military training exercise called Global Guardian was "in full swing." Global Guardian is an annual exercise involving Stratcom (the US Strategic Command), the US Space Command, and NORAD http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/defense/wargames.html
I realize the dates were changed...but again, with any huge even there are always coincidences.
my point with these is that some of these happen more than once. Also most of these have the roman numeral II, which in my line of thinking means the second which means that there must have been a first, so it's not like these never happen.
wow, those terrorists sure got lucky to do this on the morning all these were going on...it doesn't matter how many times they happened in the past, having these same events occur in drills helps slow down the response.
it just seems odd timing that 2 months before 9/11 they changed the procedures taking authority for NORAD or the military to react to hijackings away from them and giving it to the sec of def.... then you have several drills of hijacked planes hitting buildings and biowarfare being run...then you have a pesident who deson't react for several minutes...so instead of fighters being sent to intercept the flights, which is SOP for hijacked aircraft or flights that deviate from their flightpaths, when NORAD or the military are aware they have to call and ask permission for what to do...what to do? we dunno...bush is listening to a story about pet goats right now...
it was possible for the 2nd flight to be hijacked, it was certainly possible for the flight that hit the pentagon to be intercepted <andrews air force base is only about 10 miles from dc...so you're expecting us to believe a KNOWN hijacked flight deviated from it's flightpath, flew thru the NO-FLY ZONE over DC, made a u-turn and hit the pentagon before andrew's air force base could get fighters in the air? or maybe they were sent off as part of the drill...
if the nation is under attack they have no idea where will be hit next, right? so why didn't they alert ALL fighters? why only a few from bases further away? the flight that hit hte pentagon hit it over an hour after the first tower was hit. that is more than enough time to have ppl ready.
but according to cheney and bush's testimony to the 9/11 commission they finally gave the orders to intercept over an hour after the 1st tower was hit, minutes before the pentagon was hit....hit in the spot w/ the least amount of ppl in it...that's a mighty long line of coincidences
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
How could he NOT remember the worst day in recent memory?
Could the hacks get any more apologetic for this guy?
exaclty, the rationalizations are so weak...
how does it take over an hour after your attacked for you to react?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
just to clarify, we are discussing why he mispoke 3 months after the fact re: seeing planes on tv before going into a classroom. I'm guessing that he saw video footage of that roughly, every day about 5 times a day. Oh wait, that's how often i saw it; i'm sure he, not being general public saw it many more times. Keep reaching. If you want him to be responsible for it and it makes you guys feel better, then by all means you can assign him blame.
this doesn't address his poor reaction time. why did they take over an hour after you are attacked by unknown enemies, not knowing where else would be hit...to respond?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Good, I'm glad you can, which doesn't mean everyone can. How is it a fantasy situation where everything was different? He said he was at the school, he said he saw the planes hit it; he switched it around. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt re: the sitation and you are not... odds are we'll never know, but I'll be the first to say I'm wrong if it's PROVEN he knew about it a priori.
some more slips of the tongue from this administration
"Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them."
"I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be."
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
That's crap. Many people didn't grasp the importence immediately. It took quite a bit of time. Talking...'Did you hear about the plane?'...'Was it a small plane?'....'2 planes'....'What?'.....
It didn't just hit everyone at the same moment...but everyone had that moment at some point once they knew exactly what had happened.
but, didn't card whisper to him "America is under attack" ???? how long does it take for that statement to sink in? i wouldn't think 5 minutes
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
which goes back to my previous statement, admitting that and expanding on that idea by saying ego got in the way and seriously, before 911, who would have thought the threat would have come to fruition...they get terrorist threats everyday.
ha, tell that to able danger
tell that to Sibel Edmonds http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=211335&highlight=bitch
tell that to the 11 foregin countries that warned us http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essaytheytriedtowarnus
tell that to the israeli text messaging company that got text messages warning them of the attacks 2 hours before them? http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeperiod=1:00am%20Sept%2011%202001&timeline=complete_911_timeline
"(6:00 a.m.): Two Hours Before Attacks, Israeli Company Employees Receive Warnings Two employees of Odigo, Inc., an Israeli company, receive warnings of an imminent attack in New York City about two hours before the first plane hits the WTC. Odigo, one of the world’s largest instant messaging companies, has its headquarters two blocks from the WTC. The Odigo Research and Development offices where the warnings were received are located in Herzliyya, a suburb of Tel Aviv. Israeli security and the FBI were notified immediately after the 9/11 attacks began. The two employees claim not to know who sent the warnings. “Odigo service includes a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others based on certain interests or demographics. [Alex] Diamandis [Odigo vice president of sales and marketing] said it was possible that the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message.” [Ha'aretz, 9/26/2001; Washington Post, 9/27/2001] Odigo claims the warning did not specifically mention the WTC, but the company refuses to divulge what was specified, claiming, “Providing more details would only lead to more conjecture.” [Washington Post, 9/28/2001] However, a later newspaper report claims that the message declared “that some sort of attack was about to take place. The notes ended with an anti-Semitic slur. ‘The messages said something big was going to happen in a certain amount of time, and it did—almost to the minute,’ said Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales for the high-tech company... He said the employees did not know the person who sent the message, but they traced it to a computer address and have given that information to the FBI.” [Washington Post, 10/4/2001] Odigo gave the FBI the Internet address of the message’s sender so the name of the sender could be found. [Deutsche Presse-Agentur (Hamburg), 9/26/2001] Two months later, it is reported that the FBI is still investigating the matter, but there have been no reports since. [Courier Mail, 11/20/2001]
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
not to mention it took 411 days to start the commission's investigation. bush and cheney wouldn't testify under oath and they wouldn't testify unless they were together. how about the 28 pages that were omitted. wtf? how did they get away with that? no one is above the law, or at least i thought. is this still a republic, where the gov't is limited by the constitution.
actually it was longer than 411 days...on the 411th day they appointed henry kissenger to head the commission...ppl object to that and around the 431st day they finally appointed other ppl whose connections weren't as apparent as kissenger
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
actually it was longer than 411 days...on the 411th day they appointed henry kissenger to head the commission...ppl object to that and around the 431st day they finally appointed other ppl whose connections weren't as apparent as kissenger
'as apparent'
my bad on the numbers.
you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
~Ron Burgundy
well everyone knows about kissenger and how he's wanted in a few countries. the ppl they chose after him had financial connections to the agenda of the bush administration. one of them was on the iran/contra commission and found the government did nothing wrong!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzFHX2NpFng
esp pay attention from 54sec on
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Comments
Maybe it's some OCD coming out that forces you to put pants on first and you want to think it's b/c you make logical decisions; therefore, you deliberately lied to me to cover up your mental disorder. I can assure you it's entirely logical to think that you are masking a mental disorder with claiming you are making decisions on logic rather than compulsion. I can make up logic too
my sock drawer is the top drawer. that's the best i can think of for putting the socks on first...i'll be honest, i've never once thought about it...i guess we'll see what happens tomorrow
Good points, the shady stock market trades that dealt with United and American Airlines are even worse...how could anyone even begin to explain that one away.
Yet again the unabashed apologies for Bush, lol'z all around.
But he can't remember everything!!!11!!!2!
not to mention it took 411 days to start the commission's investigation. bush and cheney wouldn't testify under oath and they wouldn't testify unless they were together. how about the 28 pages that were omitted. wtf? how did they get away with that? no one is above the law, or at least i thought. is this still a republic, where the gov't is limited by the constitution.
~Ron Burgundy
obviously you didn't watch the video or read my replies <which were only the first page or 2...>
bush SAID he knew before going into the classroom!!! that is what i fucking base it on!
watch the video, he is asked about 9/11 and replies that he watched the first plane hit the towers on tv before going into the classroom. the fact remaines this is all but impossible as no footage of the first plane hitting was broadcasted until 9/12. so how could he have seen it? he says he watched the first plane hit and thought 'what a bad pilot' and that's that. that was his response.
obviously jumping up and screaming and running in circles would be the wrong respsonse. but, what child doesn't know the president is a busy job? he could've, and as PRESIDENT of the US SHOULD'VE, calmly said he has something to do...this could have been said all sorts of ways, every single one of em in a calm manner and the kids would never think anything was wrong. sorry, but just sitting there and not making any decisions at ALL for how many minutes?? is not how a president should react.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
wow, those terrorists sure got lucky to do this on the morning all these were going on...it doesn't matter how many times they happened in the past, having these same events occur in drills helps slow down the response.
it just seems odd timing that 2 months before 9/11 they changed the procedures taking authority for NORAD or the military to react to hijackings away from them and giving it to the sec of def.... then you have several drills of hijacked planes hitting buildings and biowarfare being run...then you have a pesident who deson't react for several minutes...so instead of fighters being sent to intercept the flights, which is SOP for hijacked aircraft or flights that deviate from their flightpaths, when NORAD or the military are aware they have to call and ask permission for what to do...what to do? we dunno...bush is listening to a story about pet goats right now...
it was possible for the 2nd flight to be hijacked, it was certainly possible for the flight that hit the pentagon to be intercepted <andrews air force base is only about 10 miles from dc...so you're expecting us to believe a KNOWN hijacked flight deviated from it's flightpath, flew thru the NO-FLY ZONE over DC, made a u-turn and hit the pentagon before andrew's air force base could get fighters in the air? or maybe they were sent off as part of the drill...
if the nation is under attack they have no idea where will be hit next, right? so why didn't they alert ALL fighters? why only a few from bases further away? the flight that hit hte pentagon hit it over an hour after the first tower was hit. that is more than enough time to have ppl ready.
but according to cheney and bush's testimony to the 9/11 commission they finally gave the orders to intercept over an hour after the 1st tower was hit, minutes before the pentagon was hit....hit in the spot w/ the least amount of ppl in it...that's a mighty long line of coincidences
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
exaclty, the rationalizations are so weak...
how does it take over an hour after your attacked for you to react?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
this doesn't address his poor reaction time. why did they take over an hour after you are attacked by unknown enemies, not knowing where else would be hit...to respond?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
some more slips of the tongue from this administration
"Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them."
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html
"I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be."
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20041223-secdef1921.html
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
but, didn't card whisper to him "America is under attack" ???? how long does it take for that statement to sink in? i wouldn't think 5 minutes
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
ha, tell that to able danger
tell that to Sibel Edmonds
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=211335&highlight=bitch
tell that to the 11 foregin countries that warned us
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essaytheytriedtowarnus
tell that to the israeli text messaging company that got text messages warning them of the attacks 2 hours before them?
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeperiod=1:00am%20Sept%2011%202001&timeline=complete_911_timeline
"(6:00 a.m.): Two Hours Before Attacks, Israeli Company Employees Receive Warnings Two employees of Odigo, Inc., an Israeli company, receive warnings of an imminent attack in New York City about two hours before the first plane hits the WTC. Odigo, one of the world’s largest instant messaging companies, has its headquarters two blocks from the WTC. The Odigo Research and Development offices where the warnings were received are located in Herzliyya, a suburb of Tel Aviv. Israeli security and the FBI were notified immediately after the 9/11 attacks began. The two employees claim not to know who sent the warnings. “Odigo service includes a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others based on certain interests or demographics. [Alex] Diamandis [Odigo vice president of sales and marketing] said it was possible that the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message.” [Ha'aretz, 9/26/2001; Washington Post, 9/27/2001] Odigo claims the warning did not specifically mention the WTC, but the company refuses to divulge what was specified, claiming, “Providing more details would only lead to more conjecture.” [Washington Post, 9/28/2001] However, a later newspaper report claims that the message declared “that some sort of attack was about to take place. The notes ended with an anti-Semitic slur. ‘The messages said something big was going to happen in a certain amount of time, and it did—almost to the minute,’ said Alex Diamandis, vice president of sales for the high-tech company... He said the employees did not know the person who sent the message, but they traced it to a computer address and have given that information to the FBI.” [Washington Post, 10/4/2001] Odigo gave the FBI the Internet address of the message’s sender so the name of the sender could be found. [Deutsche Presse-Agentur (Hamburg), 9/26/2001] Two months later, it is reported that the FBI is still investigating the matter, but there have been no reports since. [Courier Mail, 11/20/2001]
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
actually it was longer than 411 days...on the 411th day they appointed henry kissenger to head the commission...ppl object to that and around the 431st day they finally appointed other ppl whose connections weren't as apparent as kissenger
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
'as apparent'
my bad on the numbers.
~Ron Burgundy
well everyone knows about kissenger and how he's wanted in a few countries. the ppl they chose after him had financial connections to the agenda of the bush administration. one of them was on the iran/contra commission and found the government did nothing wrong!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzFHX2NpFng
esp pay attention from 54sec on
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way