Bush's odd behavior on the morning of 9/11

jlew24asu

chopitdown wrote:

yep, he said that on december 4th of that year...almost 3 months after the attacks...and countless times after seeing the attacks on tv, seeing them in briefings, etc... It's not like he said this on sept 11th and 12th. He mispoke plain and simple. I'm sure we all have mispoken at times. It happens.

was it you who said how people around here rag on bush for being the worst speaker ever? (rightfully so, I think, the guy is a horrible speaker) but this particular time is a rare moment of clarity.

chopitdown

jlew24asu wrote:

was it you who said how people around here rag on bush for being the worst speaker ever? (rightfully so, I think, the guy is a horrible speaker) but this particular time is a rare moment of clarity.

it was, but i'm sure the conspiracy theorists have some story to justify that he should have perfect recall about this event. I mean c'mon people, he was a
C student in college...how can you expect him to remember stuff from 3 months prior? He's an idiot. He says nucular for cryin' out loud. You have to throw all of those presuppositions out of the window in order to believe he was responsible.

SweetHarmonics

How could he NOT remember the worst day in recent memory?

Could the hacks get any more apologetic for this guy?

SweetHarmonics

jlew24asu wrote:

Obvious he knew before? based on what? that he didnt jump up and scream in front of some young children, AMERICA IS UDER ATTACK GET UNDER YOUR DESKS! would that have been acceptable? or then you would say its obvious he was acting, trying to pretend he didnt know. simply amazes me that someone would believe that.

Based on his account of the day and his reaction to Card informing him, some of us are more informed on this subject than you might assume.

I'm amazed that you believe every word that comes out of this corrupt administration that has documented credibility issues.

flywallyfly

chopitdown wrote:

yep, he said that on december 4th of that year...almost 3 months after the attacks...and countless times after seeing the attacks on tv, seeing them in briefings, etc... It's not like he said this on sept 11th and 12th. He mispoke plain and simple. I'm sure we all have mispoken at times. It happens.

That is alot of clarity and specifics for a simple mispeak, IMO. The guy is either lying or makes up little fantasy stories in his head. I dont know which would be worse.

Obi Once

Carlos D wrote:

But let's face it,Americans have become the laughing stock of the world with these conspiracy theories.

I'd say they've become the laughing stock of the world because they have a deceitful administration feeding them crap and they still swallow, instead of taking serious actions against it.

And in regard to the topic, it's quite strange to have your country under attack and keep reading a kids book in a class room. "Sorry kids the president is off to handle a matter of national security" would be appropriate, he is the leader of the country and should be on top of the suituation. Arguements that he was in shock or these events are planned in advance are no excuse for his (non-)reaction.

chopitdown

SweetHarmonics wrote:

How could he NOT remember the worst day in recent memory?

Could the hacks get any more apologetic for this guy?

just to clarify, we are discussing why he mispoke 3 months after the fact re: seeing planes on tv before going into a classroom. I'm guessing that he saw video footage of that roughly, every day about 5 times a day. Oh wait, that's how often i saw it; i'm sure he, not being general public saw it many more times. Keep reaching. If you want him to be responsible for it and it makes you guys feel better, then by all means you can assign him blame.

chopitdown

flywallyfly wrote:

That is alot of clarity and specifics for a simple mispeak, IMO. The guy is either lying or makes up little fantasy stories in his head. I dont know which would be worse.

he's either lying, making up stories, or got something out of order...you have to acknowledge that is a possibility. He was at a fundraiser and he was on stage; he's a politician and wants to come across strong...someone asked him a question he answered it, my guess is rather hastily (he is a poor public speaker, remember??) and gave an answer. So you think he was lying because he got a something out of order by about 10 minutes???? If he would have said those words before the attacks...I'd be on the bandwagon with you. The simple fact is this was said 3 months after the attacks. let me ask you did you put your socks on first or your pants on first 3 months ago? If you get it wrong you are a deliberate liar...that's how this argument seems to be going. I realize the gravity of the situations is different but sheesh, think of context and if you want to believe he did it (which by your options given in your above quote, that leaves little doubt in my mind) then go ahead.

flywallyfly

chopitdown wrote:

he's either lying, making up stories, or got something out of order...you have to acknowledge that is a possibility. He was at a fundraiser and he was on stage; he's a politician and wants to come across strong...someone asked him a question he answered it, my guess is rather hastily (he is a poor public speaker, remember??) and gave an answer. So you think he was lying because he got a something out of order by about 10 minutes???? If he would have said those words before the attacks...I'd be on the bandwagon with you. The simple fact is this was said 3 months after the attacks. let me ask you did you put your socks on first or your pants on first 3 months ago? If you get it wrong you are a deliberate liar...that's how this argument seems to be going. I realize the gravity of the situations is different but sheesh, think of context and if you want to believe he did it (which by your options given in your above quote, that leaves little doubt in my mind) then go ahead.

I remember exactly where I was and what I saw that morning. I also remember my reaction and actions when I saw it. I also saw the footage ten thousand times over the next three months but i didnt decide to make up a fantasy scenario where everything was different. Like I said, he is either lying or crazy. Or maybe pandering for empathy not knowing a film of him sitting on his ass reading would come out later. (I always put my socks on before my pants just FYI !)

chopitdown

flywallyfly wrote:

I remember exactly where I was and what I saw that morning. I also remember my reaction and actions when I saw it. I also saw the footage ten thousand times over the next three months but i didnt decide to make up a fantasy scenario where everything was different. Like I said, he is either lying or crazy. Or maybe pandering for empathy not knowing a film of him sitting on his ass reading would come out later. (I always put my socks on before my pants just FYI !)

Good, I'm glad you can, which doesn't mean everyone can. How is it a fantasy situation where everything was different? He said he was at the school, he said he saw the planes hit it; he switched it around. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt re: the sitation and you are not... odds are we'll never know, but I'll be the first to say I'm wrong if it's PROVEN he knew about it a priori.

chopitdown

chiefojibwa wrote:

i couldn't agree more

i ask those who support bush...would REAGAN or BUSH SR. or (insert your fave repub. prez) or CLINTON have sat there while our nation was under attack? hell no! they would have gotten up off their asses and acted presidential. W didn't because, well, he ain't that good at his job.

I'm not saying he shouldn't have not done anything that morning. I would hvae liked to have seen him excuse himself and take care of things.

Eliot Rosewater

chopitdown wrote:

your last point is what i've been thinking about a lot. I mean, can you imagine the thoughts going through his mind...esp I'm sure he had been presented with purely hypothetical examples of planes being hijacked...but what are the odds this terrorist attack would come to fruition. I don't know how many threats they get a day, but seriously, before 9-11 would you really think that terrorists would hijack a plane AND use it as a weapon, not collateral to get what you want? I prob woulda crapped my pants if someone had told me that america had been attacked in that manner and now I'm the man who's got to get us through this.

Yeah because no one ever suggested that terrorists might hi-jack planes and fly them into WTC.....oh, wait, they did.

cincybearcat

I honestly don't know why anyone would waste their time on this topic. Crazy...so much to talk about and yet this is coming up?

hippiemom

chopitdown wrote:

Good, I'm glad you can, which doesn't mean everyone can. How is it a fantasy situation where everything was different? He said he was at the school, he said he saw the planes hit it; he switched it around. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt re: the sitation and you are not... odds are we'll never know, but I'll be the first to say I'm wrong if it's PROVEN he knew about it a priori.

I don't know a single person who doesn't remember exactly where they were and what they were doing when they first heard about the attacks, and when they first saw the footage. Although I suppose it wouldn't be all that surprising if our jackass of a presidential imposter was the one guy in all America who didn't immediately grasp the importance of what was happening.

cincybearcat

hippiemom wrote:

I don't know a single person who doesn't remember exactly where they were and what they were doing when they first heard about the attacks, and when they first saw the footage. Although I suppose it wouldn't be all that surprising if our jackass of a presidential imposter was the one guy in all America who didn't immediately grasp the importance of what was happening.

That's crap. Many people didn't grasp the importence immediately. It took quite a bit of time. Talking...'Did you hear about the plane?'...'Was it a small plane?'....'2 planes'....'What?'.....

It didn't just hit everyone at the same moment...but everyone had that moment at some point once they knew exactly what had happened.

Eliot Rosewater

chopitdown wrote:

let me ask you did you put your socks on first or your pants on first 3 months ago? If you get it wrong you are a deliberate liar...

I always put my pants on before my socks. Wanna know why? Because I tend to make logical decisions. Should something happen and you can't finish getting dressed it's gonna be far more beneficial to be sockless than pantless. So, now that we've established the fact that I tend to make logical decisions, let's make the assumption that I can recognize logic. Otherwise, how would I be able to make logical decisions, right? So, having now established that I have the ability to recognize logic, I can assure you that it's entirely logical to believe the president had prior knowledge of the attacks. Thank you and goodnight.

Eliot Rosewater

flywallyfly wrote:

I remember exactly where I was and what I saw that morning. I also remember my reaction and actions when I saw it.

Easy explanation for this flywallyfly - The attacks were a very shocking surprise to you. If you had known they were going to happen they wouldn't have made nearly the impact on your memory....hence king george's confusion on the subject. In his mind, I'm sure it was just another pushing of the red button.

flywallyfly

don't gimme no wrote:

Easy explanation for this flywallyfly - The attacks were a very shocking surprise to you. If you had known they were going to happen they wouldn't have made nearly the impact on your memory....hence king george's confusion on the subject. In his mind, I'm sure it was just another pushing of the red button.

Good point. Plus I dont need to lie about that day. Facts are easy when you are telling the truth.

chopitdown

don't gimme no wrote:

Yeah because no one ever suggested that terrorists might hi-jack planes and fly them into WTC.....oh, wait, they did.

which goes back to my previous statement, admitting that and expanding on that idea by saying ego got in the way and seriously, before 911, who would have thought the threat would have come to fruition...they get terrorist threats everyday.

sonicreducer

chopitdown wrote:

which goes back to my previous statement, admitting that and expanding on that idea by saying ego got in the way and seriously, before 911, who would have thought the threat would have come to fruition...they get terrorist threats everyday.

how much have you researched on the warnings they received?

why were some people told not to fly that day?

foreknowledge, because they were warned. if it was enough to stop a few key players, it should have been enough to stop the whole fucking thing.