they are also human don't forget, i understand what you're saying but it's also not a reasonable expectation, imo...if they kick down the wrong door they are held accountable it's not like cops can do whatever they want and get away with it.
i wonder if rodney king believes this??
Rodney King is an example of the worst.. you need only walk with your children down the street or through the mall to experience all the good that the armed police force provides.
All this resistence to the Police is as bad as Bushes hatred for the lives of those that disagree with him.
i'm not saying all police are bad or all police will knock down a door w/o knocking, just that the comment that there is oversight is false, plenty of cops get away w/ stuff all the time. so jsut saying 'ah, there's oversight' doesn't do anything to put me at ease that this won't be abused
yes. it is unlikely that police are going to use this judgement to kick in a door to serve a trespassing or forgery warrant. or a bag of marijuana. or pissing in public. but when someone has a warrant for trafficking hard drugs (these are usually the ones with guns) or someone with a long and violent history, I'm all for the 'professional judgement' that calls for kicking the door in without knocking.
Ok. Kicking down one door in error is enough for me.
If I'm going to pay for the gun, pay for the uniform, pay for the badge, pay for the man, I'll be damned if I'm going to allow his judgement to determine his rights to use them.
But the difference is I can choose my doctor, my lawyer, my surveyor, my architect. I am not at the mercy of those professionals. We have not allowed doctors to hold a monopoly on medical knowledge. We have not allowed lawyers to hold a monopoly on the law. We have not allowed surveyors to hold a monopoly on where our property lines are drawn. We have not allowed architects to hold a monopoly on the laws of physics.
We have allowed the police to hold a monopoly on force.
that article is laughable, I hope you don't expect anybody to take that seriously....."when the police came, they came to kill the dogs." really, was this a part told by officials? was a cop interviewed and said this? or was this 'reporter' in the cops' heads to know what they came to do?
"police bomb houses" really? how many houses did they bomb? sounds to me like they served some high risk warrants and there were no injuries, what's the point?
can you give an example of when a door was kicked down "in error"? police don't go kicking in random doors to serve a warrant, they address has to be ON the warrant.
so that's one out of the almost 1.75 million arrests served in california that year...drug companies would love to have a morbidity rate of that. I'm not touching the rodney king incident with a 10 foot pole though.
everyone gets away with stuff all the time. haev you ever sped and not gotten pulled over? I'm not saying that makes it right, but i think it helps bring it back to reality. We seem to hold cops to this impossible standard of being damn near perfect. Think about it if you were in their shoes that's all Im asking, don't constantly look from a victims view... if you were a cop (w/ all the training, experience, etc...)and you were serving a warrant would you kick in every persons door or would you be wise in which doors you busted down? Why would the average police officer act any different?
your second comment above makes no sense at all. it's not for you to say when a cop can use a gun, your life is not the one at risk.
further, you also pay the lawmakers, and they make the laws that allow police to use professional judgement.
the third paragraph doesn't make a whole lot of sense either. but no, doctors don't hold the medical monopolies, the insurance companies do. and you are at their mercy, though you can pick whichever insurance company you want. you can also pick which politicians you want, but you're still at their mercy. but either way, it's not about you being at anyone's 'mercy', it's about cops being able to enforce the law in the safest way possible. and the safest way possible in many cases is to kick the door in.
I don't mean the wrong door. I mean as the result of poor "professional judgement" where the action creates a highly dangerous situation. There are examples of this everywhere.
IT IS WHEN THE GUN IS POINTED AT ME
I do pay the lawmakers, but now you're saying that the law is pointless in the face of "professional judgement".
It certainly becomes about being at someone's mercy when I sanction their "professional judgement" regarding the use of force.
it can also create a dangerous situation when they CANNOT kick in a door and someone is able to arm themselves. that's why 'professional judgement' is needed.
when has a cop pointed a gun at you? if you can give the circumstance, maybe I'll understand.
I've not said or implied that the law is pointless in the face of "professional judgement", I'm saying this new law is giving cops the needed discretion.
you can condone it or not. but the main point is officer safety comes first. you make it sound like police are suddenly going to be kicking in doors all over the country, and that is not the case. do you think cities want that kind of bad publicity? but the point is that in certain cases, this is needed, and this new law allows for it.