but how could they have planted the explosives??

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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    El_Kabong wrote:
    if you take a block out of the bottom of a jenga tower does it fall straight down or fall towards the side w/ the block missing? even if it leaned to a side then came straight down would be more believable instead of the middle buckling then coming straight down. .....

    so can you plz explain why it fell straight down instead of a long post about periods and question marks?

    JENGA AGAIN!?!?! I can't believe you are STILL trying to equate the structure of sky scrapers to a JENGA PILE!!!!

    The answer to your question is simple.

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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    El_Kabong wrote:
    it would still not fall at free fall speed straight down buckling in the middle. you are claiming it fell b/c it was weakened...that would mean it would give way then go...not just -poof- come straight down.

    None. I repeat NONE of the structures fell 'at free fall speed'. None. Why do you continue to state this when it is verifiably false?
    again, have you seen a burning house? does it just go straight down all of a sudden or does it weaken then buckle and go down?

    Does a house have the weight of 110 stories of skyscraper that it supports?
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    onelongsong wrote:
    if you study the film footage; you'll see that the impact ruptured the firewalls. the thousands of pounds of jet fuel burned hot enough to weaken the steel holding the cement floors causing the heavy floors to fall. one floor hit another causing that floor to fall onto the floor below. that weight collapsed the floor below. watch the footage and look at the floors as dominos. you will see one hit the other. nothing like an implosion and nothing like an explosion.

    Watch some other buildings falling down and see if they don't fall in the same way as the towers.

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  • walkthamile
    walkthamile Posts: 349
    69charger wrote:
    None. I repeat NONE of the structures fell 'at free fall speed'. None. Why do you continue to state this when it is verifiably false?

    The buildings fell completely in 10 secs...that's pretty damn close to free fall speed...remember these buildings were 110 stories high! Now what you are saying as verifiably false is something like 1 sec different between a calculated free fall of about 8.5 secs compared to 10 secs of the actual fall. Just admit that these buildings fell very very very fast if we use the pancake effect as the reason for collapse. I think it is reasonable to at least discuss and investigate some alternative theories here...for something to fall that fast some major supports not related to the plane impact zone must have been severed or damaged for the building to crumple so quickly. How this may have occured we don't really have substantial evidence...but it's plausable to consider a theory that involves something other than jet fuel leaking over a large area and weakening steal to cause a pancake effect collapse.
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  • Al Deniro
    Al Deniro Posts: 13
    walkthamile wrote:
    The buildings fell completely in 10 secs...that's pretty damn close to free fall speed...remember these buildings were 110 stories high! Now what you are saying as verifiably false is something like 1 sec different between a calculated free fall of about 8.5 secs compared to 10 secs of the actual fall. Just admit that these buildings fell very very very fast if we use the pancake effect as the reason for collapse. I think it is reasonable to at least discuss and investigate some alternative theories here...for something to fall that fast some major supports not related to the plane impact zone must have been severed or damaged for the building to crumple so quickly. How this may have occured we don't really have substantial evidence...but it's plausable to consider a theory that involves something other than jet fuel leaking over a large area and weakening steal to cause a pancake effect collapse.

    Absolutely, especially considering Steven Jones, physics professor at BYU, has a sample which contains some of the constituents of Thermate, a substance used in demolition cutting chargers. He has the sample, has had it tested and has put this info out there for all to see. I think we need another totally independant investigation about the collapse of all buildings on 9-11.
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  • pushmepullme
    pushmepullme Posts: 255
    Interesting article. I've said all along that something else happened in the towers.
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  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    pushmepullme wrote:
    Interesting article. I've said all along that something else happened in the towers.

    there is evidence that conflicts with the official explanation. until another investigation looks at alternative theories stemming from this evidence, there is no point in arguing about what happened. (at least on this board. i think everyone has been exhausted about it)
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    A monkey flew out of my ass this morning. can you believe it! a monkey!





















    then he ran to the kitchen and made me a sandwhich
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    jlew24asu wrote:
    A monkey flew out of my ass this morning. can you believe it! a monkey!






















    then he ran to the kitchen and made me a sandwhich

    Did you eat the sandwhich? Because that monkey came out of your ass, and unless he washed his hands, it wouldn't be a good idea to eat it
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Did you eat the sandwhich? Because that monkey came out of your ass, and unless he washed his hands, it wouldn't be a good idea to eat it


    the fucker ate it himself. if you cant trust a monkey these days who can ya trust.
  • BarkingDogs
    BarkingDogs Posts: 280
    I heard Ted Kennedy planted all those explosives after a late night bender....just so they could blame Bush in 5 years.....


    The monkey that flew out of my ass this morning made: (washed his paws first) grits, eggs (sunny side up) and toast . the coffee tasted kinda shitty tho....
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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    sonicreducer wrote:
    there is evidence that conflicts with the official explanation. until another investigation looks at alternative theories stemming from this evidence, there is no point in arguing about what happened. (at least on this board. i think everyone has been exhausted about it)

    I'm glad someone else said it. Its actually getting less irritating now and just plain dull.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I'm glad someone else said it. Its actually getting less irritating now and just plain dull.

    So dull in fact, that you just had to click on this thread and bother replying.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    So dull in fact, that you just had to click on this thread and bother replying.

    You should be thanking me for giving it a bump, actually.

    Whoops ... Damn, I did it again.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    reborncareerist wrote:
    You should be thanking me for giving it a bump, actually.

    Whoops ... Damn, I did it again.

    Why? It was already near the top of the page.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Why? It was already near the top of the page.

    If it makes you feel better to bitch at me, go ahead. Whatever works.
    You give your two cents worth in threads all the time, and I don't jump down your throat. I will ask you to extend me the same courtesy.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    reborncareerist wrote:
    If it makes you feel better to bitch at me, go ahead. Whatever works.
    You give your two cents worth in threads all the time, and I don't jump down your throat. I will ask you to extend me the same courtesy.

    Just pointing out some irony, dude. No bitching.
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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Just pointing out some irony, dude. No bitching.

    I guess I am one of those "speak out" types ... I don't like to suffer in silence. :)

    In all seriousness, abook, you get on my case quite often but I still respect you and many of your views. Hopefully the feeling is mutual. Really, my issue with 9-11 posts these days is that they all devolve into the same arguments and counter-arguments. The official government account doesn't quite jive with all the facts, true ... But the conspiracy theories involve even more inferential leaps (IMO). Its not hard to see that Bush capitalized on 9-11 to push a bad political agenda. But that's a separate issue from the validity of these inside job theories, no?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    reborncareerist wrote:
    I guess I am one of those "speak out" types ... I don't like to suffer in silence. :)

    In all seriousness, abook, you get on my case quite often but I still respect you and many of your views. Hopefully the feeling is mutual. Really, my issue with 9-11 posts these days is that they all devolve into the same arguments and counter-arguments. The official government account doesn't quite jive with all the facts, true ... But the conspiracy theories involve even more inferential leaps (IMO). Its not hard to see that Bush capitalized on 9-11 to push a bad political agenda. But that's a separate issue from the validity of these inside job theories, no?

    Yes, the feeling is mutual but I don't care for the underhanded comments used to discredit topics and never have. Those are the only times I remember 'getting on your case'.

    I don't see the other theories as being such a far leap as you do. I think the official one takes a huge leap, itself, no? I'm interested in this topic so i look into it. I don't think it will get GW out of office or even get anyone charged with anything...I would just like to come closer to what I can call the truth.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Yes, the feeling is mutual but I don't care for the underhanded comments used to discredit topics and never have. Those are the only times I remember 'getting on your case'.

    I don't see the other theories as being such a far leap as you do. I think the official one takes a huge leap, itself, no? I'm interested in this topic so i look into it. I don't think it will get GW out of office or even get anyone charged with anything...I would just like to come closer to what I can call the truth.

    You choose to believe that these alternative theories are more credible, though. You obviously use a different burden of proof than I do. Maybe that is the source of my frustration with this topic. People are starting from wildly different premises and thus little common ground exists.

    As for the first part .... Not sure I agree 100%, but hey ... I've seen (and been on the receiving end of) many instances of people dismissing posts and topics. I think I probably do it less than some others do, but I get taken to task for it almost every time. That being said, you DO have a point. It would have been more constructive for me to just post my opinion about the content of the thread, rather than making a generalization. I was being honest ... The topic is at the point for me where nothing new can be said.

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