you wanna talk demagoguery?

El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
edited September 2006 in A Moving Train
http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm

lots of links of muslims groups and leaders condemning what happened on 9/11

also lots of pics of muslims in muslim countries holding vigils and moments of silence for the victims of 9/11.

did ya know In Iran, Tehran's main soccer stadium observed a minute's silence for the victims?

or 1 million Palestinian students in the Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, stood five minutes in silence to express their solidarity with the hundreds of American children who have been struck?

or Palestinians in East Jerusalem held a candle-light vigils on 12 and 14 September to express their grief and solidarity with the American families struck by this tragedy? or that Mr. Abdel Qader Al-Husseini, son of the late Palestinian leader Faisal Al-Husseini led one of the vigils?

or the Palestine Legislative Council condemned the terrorist attack on the United States and sent an urgent letter of condolences to Mr. J Dennis Hasterd, Speaker of the House of Representatives?

were you aware the terrorist act was strongly condemned by every single Palestinian organization including Fatah, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Hamas, Workers Unions and Committees, Human Right organizations (AlHaq, Law, Palestine Center for Human Rights), student associations, municipalities, mosques and churches...?

did ya hear Iran's Ayatollah Imami Kashani spoke of a catastrophic act of terrorism which could only be condemned by all Muslims, adding the whole world should mobilise against terrorism?

did ya see the pics of a candlelight vigil on the streets of Tehran, Iran, in which over a million Iranians took part in on 9/18/01?

and what have you done w/ that support since then?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    that sure is nice to see. hopefully its all true.
  • jsandjsand Posts: 646
    El_Kabong wrote:
    http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm

    lots of links of muslims groups and leaders condemning what happened on 9/11

    also lots of pics of muslims in muslim countries holding vigils and moments of silence for the victims of 9/11.

    did ya know In Iran, Tehran's main soccer stadium observed a minute's silence for the victims?

    or 1 million Palestinian students in the Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, stood five minutes in silence to express their solidarity with the hundreds of American children who have been struck?

    or Palestinians in East Jerusalem held a candle-light vigils on 12 and 14 September to express their grief and solidarity with the American families struck by this tragedy? or that Mr. Abdel Qader Al-Husseini, son of the late Palestinian leader Faisal Al-Husseini led one of the vigils?

    or the Palestine Legislative Council condemned the terrorist attack on the United States and sent an urgent letter of condolences to Mr. J Dennis Hasterd, Speaker of the House of Representatives?

    were you aware the terrorist act was strongly condemned by every single Palestinian organization including Fatah, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Hamas, Workers Unions and Committees, Human Right organizations (AlHaq, Law, Palestine Center for Human Rights), student associations, municipalities, mosques and churches...?

    did ya hear Iran's Ayatollah Imami Kashani spoke of a catastrophic act of terrorism which could only be condemned by all Muslims, adding the whole world should mobilise against terrorism?

    did ya see the pics of a candlelight vigil on the streets of Tehran, Iran, in which over a million Iranians took part in on 9/18/01?

    and what have you done w/ that support since then?

    Meh. What have you done for me lately?
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jsand wrote:
    Meh. What have you done for me lately?

    so it's all give give? they show support and we do....what with it? what have we done post 9/11 to sustain this support?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • jsandjsand Posts: 646
    El_Kabong wrote:
    so it's all give give? they show support and we do....what with it? what have we done post 9/11 to sustain this support?

    You can't be serious. It's all give give? I guess they need to be applauded for acting like human beings, in your view.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jsand wrote:
    You can't be serious. It's all give give? I guess they need to be applauded for acting like human beings, in your view.

    what have we done post 9/11 to sustain this support?

    it's not about applauding them as much as opposing the myth that arabs hate us and want us all to die
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • jsandjsand Posts: 646
    El_Kabong wrote:
    what have we done post 9/11 to sustain this support?

    What have they done pre and post 9/11 to warrant our support?
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jsand wrote:
    What have they done pre and post 9/11 to warrant our support?


    not invade a country over lies and cherry picked intel and kill tens of thousands of civillains
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    El_Kabong wrote:
    kill tens of thousands of civillains


    I believe they have. the US military doesnt strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up in crowded markets and mosques.
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    I believe they have. the US military doesnt strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up in crowded markets and mosques.

    yeah, they just spend billions of our tax dollars on 'smart' bombs that have often missed their targets, KILLING INNOCENT FUCKING PEOPLE! oh wait, it's just a casualty of war,... my bad.
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  • jsandjsand Posts: 646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I believe they have. the US military doesnt strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up in crowded markets and mosques.

    Game, set, and match.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I believe they have. the US military doesnt strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up in crowded markets and mosques.

    no, they just shoot 'smart; :rolleyes: weapons from very far away did you know at least 2, maybe even 3 of the 4 smart bombs dropped to start this current war in iraq missed their target and hit houses instead? let's not even get into cluster munitions or du weaponry or white phosphorous....

    also, didn't israel set off a car bomb as a mosque let out to kill 1 guy? don't they shoot missiles into apartment complexes to kill 1 guy?

    anyway, there is no point in discussing this, we will not agree and we won't change the others mind. the purpose is not to talk about suicide bombings which have nothing to do w/ this thread or it's subject. ppl act like there are no muslims who say they are against what the terrorists do and how they all want to kill us. this is an answer to all the cries of why don't they disprove of it...many, many do and have from the start
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    yeah, they just spend billions of our tax dollars on 'smart' bombs that have often missed their targets, KILLING INNOCENT FUCKING PEOPLE! oh wait, it's just a casualty of war,... my bad.


    you can spin it all you want. the fact remains that innocent civillians are not targeted by the US military. much to the contrary of the policies of el queda
  • jsandjsand Posts: 646
    oh wait, it's just a casualty of war,... my bad.

    I forgive you. I guess you're starting to understand the difference between INTENTIONALLY killing civilians in the name of Allah and in accidentally killing them when going after those who intentionally kill civilians in the name of Allah.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    El_Kabong wrote:
    no, they just shoot 'smart; :rolleyes: weapons from very far away did you know at least 2, maybe even 3 of the 4 smart bombs dropped to start this current war in iraq missed their target and hit houses instead? let's not even get into cluster munitions or du weaponry or white phosphorous....

    anyway, there is no point in discussing this, we will not agree and we won't change the others mind. the purpose is not to talk about suicide bombings which have nothing to do w/ this thread or it's subject. ppl act like there are no muslims who say they are against what the terrorists do and how they all want to kill us. this is an answer to all the cries of why don't they disprove of it...many, many do and have from the start


    your right. its very encouraging to me too see muslims (good muslims) act the way you have shown. I hope and wish they can reach out to their fellow muslims to chill the fuck out.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    jsand wrote:
    I forgive you. I guess you're starting to understand the difference between INTENTIONALLY killing civilians in the name of Allah and in accidentally killing them when going after those who intentionally kill civilians in the name of Allah.

    accident or INTENTIONAL...dead is dead...
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    accident or INTENTIONAL...


    actually there is a big difference. sorry you dont see that
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    actually there is a big difference. sorry you dont see that


    then explain...tell me how dead is not dead...I'm interested...
  • jsandjsand Posts: 646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    actually there is a big difference. sorry you dont see that

    He/she can see it just fine. By equating the two, he/she can engage in good old fasioned moral equiavance and say, "See, the US is just as bad as the terrorists." Ugggh.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    inmytree wrote:
    then explain...tell me how dead is not dead...I'm interested...


    I wasnt debating that.
  • El_Kabong wrote:
    no, they just shoot 'smart; :rolleyes: weapons from very far away did you know at least 2, maybe even 3 of the 4 smart bombs dropped to start this current war in iraq missed their target and hit houses instead? let's not even get into cluster munitions or du weaponry or white phosphorous....

    also, didn't israel set off a car bomb as a mosque let out to kill 1 guy? don't they shoot missiles into apartment complexes to kill 1 guy?

    anyway, there is no point in discussing this, we will not agree and we won't change the others mind. the purpose is not to talk about suicide bombings which have nothing to do w/ this thread or it's subject. ppl act like there are no muslims who say they are against what the terrorists do and how they all want to kill us. this is an answer to all the cries of why don't they disprove of it...many, many do and have from the start

    While this is all true, it does not negate the untold many muslims who applauded 9/11. Its always the same here, no middle ground, its gotta be one way or the other. While its great that many arab muslims condemn terrorist acts, they aren't our concern. Its the ones who dont. Dont be too quick to pat them on the back either, often a pat on the back isnt too far from a kick in the ass. One "wrong move" by the west, and the peaceful muslims would most likely NOT remain so peaceful.
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    While this is all true, it does not negate the untold many muslims who applauded 9/11. Its always the same here, no middle ground, its gotta be one way or the other. While its great that many arab muslims condemn terrorist acts, they aren't our concern. Its the ones who dont. Dont be too quick to pat them on the back either, often a pat on the back isnt too far from a kick in the ass. One "wrong move" by the west, and the peaceful muslims would most likely NOT remain so peaceful.
    Those many Muslims are no different than the many Americans who sat around watching our "Shock & Awe" production as though it were Monday Night Football. Cheering for death is sickening no matter who is doing it.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    jsand wrote:
    He/she can see it just fine. By equating the two, he/she can engage in good old fasioned moral equiavance and say, "See, the US is just as bad as the terrorists." Ugggh.

    please don't put words in mouth....
  • hippiemom wrote:
    Those many Muslims are no different than the many Americans who sat around watching our "Shock & Awe" production as though it were Monday Night Football. Cheering for death is sickening no matter who is doing it.

    We had rallies in all our major cities with humongous groups of americans applauding muslim death? Damn, I wasn't invited?? ;)

    You assume to know what "many Americans" were doing or are doing in their homes. I SEE the mass groups of public displays of hate.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I wasnt debating that.

    well, that was my point...
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    We had rallies in all our major cities with humongous groups of americans applauding muslim death? Damn, I wasn't invited?? ;)

    You assume to know what "many Americans" were doing or are doing in their homes. I SEE the mass groups of public displays of hate.
    I was in a sports bar, that's why I made the football analogy. It was disgraceful.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jsandjsand Posts: 646
    hippiemom wrote:
    I was in a sports bar, that's why I made the football analogy. It was disgraceful.

    Just because you were cheering the shock and awe campaign (which, incidentally, was never employed) in a sports bar does not mean that people were doing so all across America.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jsand wrote:
    Just because you were cheering the shock and awe campaign (which, incidentally, was never employed) in a sports bar does not mean that people were doing so all across America.
    You're right ... I'm sure I just happened to be in the ONE PLACE in all the land where people were cheering as the bombs rained down over Baghdad, killing thousands of people who never attacked us, never even threatened to.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • jsandjsand Posts: 646
    hippiemom wrote:
    You're right ... I'm sure I just happened to be in the ONE PLACE in all the land where people were cheering as the bombs rained down over Baghdad, killing thousands of people who never attacked us, never even threatened to.

    I love how leftists describe US (or Israeli) bombing campaigns as if the bombs are just dropped indiscriminately, killing civilians left and right.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    jsand wrote:
    I love how leftists describe US (or Israeli) bombing campaigns as if the bombs are just dropped indiscriminately, killing civilians left and right.
    I love how righties pretend that if you don't kill them ON PURPOSE, it doesn't really count.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • hippiemom wrote:
    I love how righties pretend that if you don't kill them ON PURPOSE, it doesn't really count.

    And I love how lefties ONLY assume the innocence of the enemy, and never do the same for "big bad" WMA.
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