well stated
El_Kabong
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rip rachel :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3JI-axaRF4&eurl=
too bad the idf had to run you over w/ an american made bulldozer supplied by the us government
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3JI-axaRF4&eurl=
too bad the idf had to run you over w/ an american made bulldozer supplied by the us government
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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What difference does it make where the bulldozer was made? I thought you were upset because Israel was killing MORE people than the Palestenian militants, and because Israel was supposedly abusing their superpower status.
I'm just tyring to figure out if your hatred of the IDF stems from the fact that they supposedly kill more Palenstenians than Palenstenians kill Israelis, or perhaps its more deep seeded than that. Like the fact that the United States supports Israel, etc.
Iran and Syria supply Hezzbollah and Hamas with funding, arms and safe haven. Where is your condemnation of Iran and Syria? After all, you said you don't agree with Hamas and Hezbollah killing innocent Israelis.
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We do not live in Iran or Syria. Do you think our government should conduct itself to the same standards as your examples?
Why do you overlook the fact that Israel are acting like bullies and pushing around those who have hardly any defense it all? Please don't bring up religion with me. The whole world is not christian and nor should we have to live by your scripture. These people are living in land that they inhabited first. They don't believe the land was promised to the jews so why should they just go along with the forced removal from their homeland? What if Arabs came and pushed you out of your home and then told you you could have the back corner of your backyard but thats it? What if they told you it was promised to them by Allah? What if all you had was a gun to defend yourself and they had a tanks, many guns and a helicopter w/ guns on it? Can you just imagine for one momnet how that must feel?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Does this mean every non-Native American must go back to whatever European country their forefathers came from? How do we reconcile that?
with no disrespect to the original poster, now this above post is "well stated"
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with no disrespect to the original poster, now this above post is "well stated"
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I didn't agree w/ native americans being killed and forced from their homes, either. I guess there's some ways to make it better for them but no way to give them their lives back. But Israel, on the other hand, continues to do it. They continue to steal land and break the compromises they made as well as murdering these people. It's wrong no matter if it was 200+ years ago or just last week. The point is these types of actions should not be supported. I don't think France should murder the people in Belguim and take their land either. I don't think we shoud support such actions.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
what land did israel steal and what compromise is israel break??
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gee, i wonder why it's called the occupied territories?
is a map of israel the same as it was in 47? no? then how'd they get that land?
where's the security wall built? not on israeli land.
they broke un resolutions about building settlements on land that was not theirs as well as others
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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And Imperialist, Neo Con, American Empire for supporting them...
Maybe we can get some nutjob leftists over there to undermine Israel's right to defend itself..
Ronaldus Magnus
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when did this intifada start?
when sharon marched into the 3rd holiest site in islam w/ 1,000 armed guards.
the intifada before that? when they started building illegal settlements in the gaza strip and west bank
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
How is defending youself emcompass blowing away an entire country...if you cannot see that they are going overboard you truly have no idea what is going on....Im no Hezbollah sympathizer but I sure the hell think that Israel saying they are stricly targetting Hezbollah targets is BS....
hahaha...nice brush off!
do you recognize palestines right to exist?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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right back at you, you neglected to answer me!!!
and i recognize anyones right to live in peace...
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
also this was right after the peace accords broke down b/c palestinians thought it would divide the Palestinian state into disconnected regions; a situation that would not free them from Israeli occupation and would not make for a truly independent state
The pretext for Sharon's visit of the mosque compound was to check complaints by Israeli archeologists that Muslim religious authorities had vandalized archeological remains beneath the surface of the mount during the conversion of the presumed Solomon's Stables area into a mosque.
Sharon's impending visit was officially announced and approved in advance with many Palestinian officials including Arafat himself, though prior to it some people on both sides protested, because of his controversial political stance. His visit was condemned by the Palestinians as a provocation and an incursion, as was his over 1,000 strong armed bodyguard that arrived on the scene with him in claims that Palestinian protesters threatened his life. Critics claim that Sharon knew that the visit would trigger violence, and that the purpose of his visit was political; Sharon won the February 2001 elections in a landslide.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
ya know what's funny?
hezbollah gets a lot of their rockets from iran
under reagan we sold over 2,000 TOW missiles (and other weaponry) to Iran using Israel as the middleman...so, in essence, israel helped sell iran weapons that could very well be hitting israeli cities now
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
you've restated what i have said, as for my question toy you regarding israels right to exist?? any response, or was this a brush off???
(hope your enjoying the open debate as well as i am.)
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well, you mistated it to an extent.
sharon's visit was approved, but there was never any mention of arriving w/ 1,000 armed men
'Because Jews do not normally visit the Temple Mount except as tourists and because Sharon made his visit accompanied by 1,000 soldiers during a delicate part of the peace process, Sharon has been criticized for trying to provoke a Palestinian reaction that would undermine the peace process.
Palestinians term their demonstrations and attacks the "al-Aqsa Intifada," in the name of the mosque on the Haram al-Sharif and state that the Intifada is fueled by frustration over continued Israeli occupation of the majority of the West Bank and parts of the Gaza Strip.'
the violence didn't break out until a day or 2 after his visit
about your question that you asked someone else...of course we support israel's right to exist within reason. being it should be fair, not taking the best parts whenever you feel like it and keeping ppl living under your boot heel and gun. their economy is all but destroyed b/c of israel's actions.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Not living in a country has never stopped you from voicing your opinion on it's actions before, why should that stop you now? After all, you're voicing your opinion on the Isreal / Lebanon situation…and none of us live there either. I don't understand the outcry towards Israel while avoiding the outcry towards other nations. I don't think Israel is acting like a bully, I think Hamas and Hezbollah are acting like the bullies. I think Israel acts in self defense. Besides, unlike Hezbollah and Hamas, the IDF targets military infrastructure and equipment / headquarters. Do they sometimes kill innocents? Yes. Do they purposefully target them like Hezbollah? No. Quite the difference if you ask me. After all, if these lives are so valuable, why would you side with a group of individuals who fire rockets into the neighborhoods of innocent people, regardless of how few tanks or planes they have available to them, or how little money or wealth they have? Those people are living in a land that the Jews inhabited first, so why should Israel have to give it up? And to ask religion to be taken out of the question is absurd, because the WHOLE conflict is based upon religion, not just land. The Jews DO believe the land was promised to them, why should they leave or give up their land? The whole world isn't non Christian either, so I shouldn't have to live by your values either. I'll talk about whatever I choose. Israel have given more land to the Arabs than is necessary…so…why haven't the Arabs ever accepted the terms presented to them in order to form their own nation? I'll tell you why, because it's not all about land. It's about destroying Israel as a nation. That's why Israel has to respond with such force. If they don't, they will just be destroyed. Iran's leader even said so. You can't expect them to sit there and give up prisoner for prisoner, or else Hezbollah will just keep doing the same thing in order to get their prisoners back. You can't give in to these terrorists. You can't negotiate, or more of the same will continue to happen.
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And for one second you don't think they went a little overboard...and how does 18% of the country (the exact proportion Hezbollah has seats in the Lebanon parliament) make the ENTIRE country a target...I guess to your logic the the other 82% don't matter...its overboard and its sickening some people here see it as okay...yeah its totally cowardly to kidnap two soldiers...but to bring your entire military to the country as a reprimand is fucking ridiculous....Im sorry you cannot see how overboard this reaction is....
...israel taking the best parts???, last i checked israel lacks israel is surrounded by oil rich nations, or should i say the leaders of those nations are oil rich while they let their people live like peasants, israel on the other hand was handed a baron land and has made such strives in 50plus years of existense that i sense some jealousy, but who am i to say...
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Actually you are mistaken. Syria and Iran support Hizbollah, not Lebanon. The Lebanese recently removed the pro-Syrian government and elected a more pro-western government. So no the Lebanese government does not support Hizbollah. Maybe you should get the facts straight before condemning innocent civilians to non-stop bombings.
Good points, although the response could be that the Lebanese government hasn't done anything about Hezbollah, who controls about as much Lebanese territory as said government does. Sure, they'll tell you that they don't support militant groups, but their behavior suggests a certain amount of avoiding the problem, if not outright collaboration (which is now coming home to roost, big time). This government's hands are tied, in that the huge Shi'ite population in the country would probably balk if the Lebanese military took action against Hezbollah (gotta stick up for those terrorists!) ... They could, however, ask for UN help with the matter, or at the very least, the Lebanese military could secure the border with Israel.
I do NOT agree with the Israel response of attacking civilian Lebanese targets in Beirut or other areas where Hezbollah isn't likely to be. Just doing a little Devil's advocate. Is there anything Lebanon needs to change here?
Yeah, its funny. When someone on the right has this much of a hard-on for bashing one specific country (or religion), they get accused of being racist or otherwise prejudiced against one group of people. But amongst leftist ranks, it flies as some sort of justified response to the horrors of capitalist/fascist/American-backed regimes.
I agree that Lebanese government needs to deal with Hizbollah and shouldn't be turning a blind eye to their existance. Maybe after what hasoccured they may take the initiate to crtack down on militant groups like Hizbollah. Also in their defense it was not until recently that the pro-Syrian government was removed from Lebanon. The new government needs time to secure it's place and support from the public before tackling a well funded group like Hizbollah. Further more I believe that Israel's response is aiding Hizbollah more than hurting it. You can't stop but think that this is exactly what Hizbollah had in mind when they kidnapped those two troops.
Yes. Yes, I think you're probably right. I have long believed that some of these terrorist groups actually support the killing of fellow Arabs, precisely because it fuels their ideology. Look at how many people are killed by their fellow citizens in Iraq, for example. They create scenarios where the "enemy" (be it Israel, the U.S., non-Muslims, etc.) kills or appears to kill their own people, and then reap the benefits in terms of new recruits, increased hatred, etc. Hezbollah has long used the Lebanese as a human shield, and various Palestinian factions used their own as a shield during the Infantida.