can they really not pay you?
El_Kabong
Posts: 4,141
they recently changed how you clock in and out at my work, no more scanning your hand but using badges now...they gave out something explaining the new rules and one part caught my eye and seems very wrong...i don't know how they can do this...
"The system has been set up w/ rounding limits. The rounds are as follows:
Overtime worked before the associates scheduled shift will be rounded to the nearest 1/2 hour.
Example: Associate works 8:00am - 5:00pm. They clock in at 7:31 the clock will round to 8:00, however if they clock at 7:30 the clock pays from 7:30. If the associate clocks in at 6:05am the clock pays from 6:30."
is that really 'the nearest 1/2 hour'? when i was taught rounding i wasn't taught you round 31 to 40, you round it down to 30. so wouldn't the nearest 1/2 hour from 7:31 be 7:30??
"The system has been set up w/ rounding limits. The rounds are as follows:
Overtime worked before the associates scheduled shift will be rounded to the nearest 1/2 hour.
Example: Associate works 8:00am - 5:00pm. They clock in at 7:31 the clock will round to 8:00, however if they clock at 7:30 the clock pays from 7:30. If the associate clocks in at 6:05am the clock pays from 6:30."
is that really 'the nearest 1/2 hour'? when i was taught rounding i wasn't taught you round 31 to 40, you round it down to 30. so wouldn't the nearest 1/2 hour from 7:31 be 7:30??
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Post edited by Unknown User on
0
Comments
but yea they could have worded it differently.
like........ "if you are late, you wont get paid, if you dont like it, find a new job, and have a nice day."
My question is, if you clock out at 5:05 PM, do they pay you until 5:30?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
but then why not pay you from 7:31 instead of you working 29 min of overtime for free? why not give you a tardy or something instead? if i got there at 7:31 i'd say fuck it and just wait till 8
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
no, clocking OUT has to exceed 15 min past your time. so if i clocked out at 14 min past my set time i wouldn't get paid for it, but anything after that first 15 min clocks you out at that time.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
because you are required to be there at a certain time. technically you can get fired for being late. the company doesnt owe you shit if you cant do whats required.
but yea fuck it, if you dont get caught, wait until 8.
this is what the sheet they gave out says...i copied it word for word...well, the only change i made was typing 'w/' instead of 'with'
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
no, i'm required to be there at the time my agreed schedule is...if i come in to work overtime that is my choice, i'm not required to work overtime at any specific time
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
O ok. I missed that. then yea its bullshit. I'm with ya. but you should still be on time. if you happen to miss it by a few mintues, maybe for reasons you couldnt control, wait till 8.
Hourly employees must be compensated for the time that they actually work. An employer cannot simply dictate that because they set up their timecard system to "round" up or down that an employee will not be paid.
If you punch in at 5:01 and go to work, the employer cannot legally start paying you at 5:30 - giving them 29 free minutes of your labor.
If you're late, your employer can reprimand you, dock your pay for the time missed, or even fire you, but CANNOT - under any circumstance - get free labor from you.
(Shawn Smith's official website, but not Thee Shawn Smith)
Admin
Social awareness does not equal political activism!
5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
This is false. It is not illegal to round timecards so long as the rounding works both ways (up and down). Furthermore, it is not illegal to implement these kind of schemes to discourage people from working optional overtime, which from the sound of it is the case here.
This is basically true. Employers are not allowed to extract hourly labor from you at no pay. But significance plays a roll here. If a rounding system docks you out of $5 a year, no one is going to consider that claim any more than they'd consider a claim made by an employer if you spend 10 minutes of your day fucking around with your friends instead of working.
I've done that.
stop lying, you had michael bolton playing
thinking more about it i guess they can do it b/c i, and the others, have the option to not work there...so as long as it is STATED company policy they can do it. like the law, ignorance is not a defense.
i just don't like how they did it...like they didn't say anything until friday and then all they said was you have to clock in/out at a badge relay, the hand scan will no longer track time altho you will still need to use it to get in the door <but i understand a badge relay goes a lot quicker than having to enter your last 4 of your ssn, hit enter, scan your hand, open the door, close it...before anyone else can use it> the badge relays don't have any sort of time on it... so i have no idea what time it's recording. at least w/ the handscan it tells you the time it recorded...the relay just flashes from red to green. but how do i know what time it's recording? i've worked at places where SAP's time was different than the time on the computer, which was different from the computer next to it, which was different than the clocks on the wall...
so, after that brief mention on friday saying to use the relay started w/ 3rd shift on sunday nothing was said until yesterday <wednesday> when they handed out a 5 pages of the new time rules and told everyone to sign a paper saying they understood it. the guy tried to give me crap b/c i said i wouldn't sign until later...how can i say i understand it if i haven't even had a chance to read it?? no one would have a contract shoved in their hands and just sign it. he tried to say 'you use your badge instead of the hand scan, it's not complicated!' but obvioulsy it must be if it takes them 5 pages just to say that. a lot of ppl seemed to just glance at it and forget about it as everyone i showed that provision to seemed surprised by it.
as for the overtime...that's complicated...for certain areas overtime is mandatory. some have mandatory overtime 5 days a week, some areas have it every weekend, where i work i am only obligated to work 'some time' every other weekend. i don't have a set time to be there like other areas do for ot, i can come in whenever i want and stay over whenever i want as long as there's work to do.
if they're worried about ppl getting overtime for nothing, and i can understand that, a lot of times i see the guy who works teh shift before me hanging around doing nothing...just racking up ot for sitting in the breakroom and watching tv, that should be managements role to handle that.
at least make it more widely known than burying it in 5 pages and expecting everyone to see it. when the execs think something's important enough for us to know they tell us, i think this qualifies, too.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
pc load letter????? what the fuck does that mean!?!?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
classic!
you know some consulting dickhead gave the company the advice to set up the clock-in/out this way and showed how it would save the firm a bunch of money.
LOL...i just got done fighting with our copier at work...I won, just barely.
That's how it works in WA state
http://www.lni.wa.gov/WorkplaceRights/files/policies/esd1.pdf
Follow the link & see pages 5 & 6
***********************
"We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
***********************
Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
And that's exactly what I said. Rounding is permitted as long as the system rounds up as well as down (page 5). Furthermore, employers can prevent employees from clocking in early (page 5). Finally, significance plays an important role (page 4).
He's right. Overtime isn't a right. And if they set up rules, no matter how stupid you think they are, you have two choices. Deal with their rules and get on with your job, or get a new job. At least you have a choice.
Or you can get a job with abook. She comes and goes as she pleases, and they adore her for it.
www.myspace.com/jensvad