well, one of the british soldiers said they were in iranian waters, so, according to jlew this is 100% truth and can not be discredited
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
well, one of the british soldiers said they were in iranian waters, so, according to jlew this is 100% truth and can not be discredited
Except that we have NO IDEA if that "confession" was obtained under coersion or not ... Unless maybe you were there, which somehow wouldn't surprise me.
for fuck's sake iran give britain back their sailors. give them the benefit of the doubt. it's not like there are borders painted on the ocean waters.
Expecting a quasiterrorist state to not use quasiterrorist tactics is probably asking a bit much ... Kidnappings are par for the course. Given how many times the West has rolled over and released people in prisoner swaps, Iran is going to try this sort of tactic to see what it can get out of Blair.
Except that we have NO IDEA if that "confession" was obtained under coersion or not ... Unless maybe you were there, which somehow wouldn't surprise me.
it was a joke, relax! he started a thread about KSM said he was the mastermind behind 9/11 so it made it true simply b/c he said it...so this whacked out theory should apply here, but i'm betting he would not accept it like he did the KSM one
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Expecting a quasiterrorist state to not use quasiterrorist tactics is probably asking a bit much ... Kidnappings are par for the course. Given how many times the West has rolled over and released people in prisoner swaps, Iran is going to try this sort of tactic to see what it can get out of Blair.
quasiterrorist state? what's the definition/requirements for that?
was iraq listed as a terrorist state before we invaded or after?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
quasiterrorist state? what's the definition/requirements for that?
was iraq listed as a terrorist state before we invaded or after?
Its a term I made up ...
Iran does not have pure motives of any sort, with regards to the non-Islamic world. They arm terrorist groups, are almost certainly contributing to the destabilization of Iraq ... The Iranian government is incredibly loathesome, basically. It will be a great day when the people over there modernize enough to chuck the clerics out of power.
Iran does not have pure motives of any sort, with regards to the non-Islamic world. They arm terrorist groups, are almost certainly contributing to the destabilization of Iraq ... The Iranian government is incredibly loathesome, basically. It will be a great day when the people over there modernize enough to chuck the clerics out of power.
don't we arm terrorist groups that destabilize, too?? weren't we paying bin laden when he created al qaeda? didn't we sell iran thousands of missiles and ran drugs to help pay terrorists in south and central america?
what about this guy? is he not a terrorist? he only assasinated a government official and helped blow up a passenger airliner
it jsut seems like a lot of times if you're a terrorist or not depends on if you receive us funds
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
don't we arm terrorist groups that destabilize, too?? weren't we paying bin laden when he created al qaeda? didn't we sell iran thousands of missiles and ran drugs to help pay terrorists in south and central america?
what about this guy? is he not a terrorist? he only assasinated a government official and helped blow up a passenger airliner
it jsut seems like a lot of times if you're a terrorist or not depends on if you receive us funds
And if you're right? Doesn't change my argument in the slightest. Since I have indeed studied some history, I am aware that the Iranians have received U.S. funding in the past. Your issue seems to be that you treat terrorists as if they were not autonomous beings with their own goals and warped ideologies. You seem to suggest that American funding magically creates these people, which is where you and I disagree, even if we CAN agree on the basic argument that terrorists should not receive any form of U.S. support.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
. Your issue seems to be that you treat terrorists as if they were not autonomous beings with their own goals and warped ideologies. You seem to suggest that American funding magically creates these people, which is where you and I disagree, even if we CAN agree on the basic argument that terrorists should not receive any form of U.S. support.
I don't think that's what he thinks but rather what you choose to take from it. To me he is saying that the US sure does a lot to help these guys become the expert killers they are. They may have been warped before hand but training and funding them into well crafted killers isn't such a bright idea unless your end goal is instability and endless war...and that's the point I think he is making. War is so profitable, who needs stability and peace? They aren't worried in the least about making this world safer for anyone and to believe otherwise is a bit naive, imo.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I don't think that's what he thinks but rather what you choose to take from it. To me he is saying that the US sure does a lot to help these guys become the expert killers they are. They may have been warped before hand but training and funding them into well crafted killers isn't such a bright idea unless your end goal is instability and endless war...and that's the point I think he is making. War is so profitable, who needs stability and peace? They aren't worried in the least about making this world safer for anyone and to believe otherwise is a bit naive, imo.
uh...if by 'Very well said.' you mean 'Completely misrepresent what was said.' i guess i would agree, otherwise....
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Except that we have NO IDEA if that "confession" was obtained under coersion or not ... Unless maybe you were there, which somehow wouldn't surprise me.
Expecting a quasiterrorist state to not use quasiterrorist tactics is probably asking a bit much ... Kidnappings are par for the course. Given how many times the West has rolled over and released people in prisoner swaps, Iran is going to try this sort of tactic to see what it can get out of Blair.
it was a joke, relax! he started a thread about KSM said he was the mastermind behind 9/11 so it made it true simply b/c he said it...so this whacked out theory should apply here, but i'm betting he would not accept it like he did the KSM one
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
quasiterrorist state? what's the definition/requirements for that?
was iraq listed as a terrorist state before we invaded or after?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Its a term I made up ...
Iran does not have pure motives of any sort, with regards to the non-Islamic world. They arm terrorist groups, are almost certainly contributing to the destabilization of Iraq ... The Iranian government is incredibly loathesome, basically. It will be a great day when the people over there modernize enough to chuck the clerics out of power.
don't we arm terrorist groups that destabilize, too?? weren't we paying bin laden when he created al qaeda? didn't we sell iran thousands of missiles and ran drugs to help pay terrorists in south and central america?
what about this guy? is he not a terrorist? he only assasinated a government official and helped blow up a passenger airliner
http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=234296
it jsut seems like a lot of times if you're a terrorist or not depends on if you receive us funds
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
And if you're right? Doesn't change my argument in the slightest. Since I have indeed studied some history, I am aware that the Iranians have received U.S. funding in the past. Your issue seems to be that you treat terrorists as if they were not autonomous beings with their own goals and warped ideologies. You seem to suggest that American funding magically creates these people, which is where you and I disagree, even if we CAN agree on the basic argument that terrorists should not receive any form of U.S. support.
Very well said.
let me know....k
thx
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I don't think that's what he thinks but rather what you choose to take from it. To me he is saying that the US sure does a lot to help these guys become the expert killers they are. They may have been warped before hand but training and funding them into well crafted killers isn't such a bright idea unless your end goal is instability and endless war...and that's the point I think he is making. War is so profitable, who needs stability and peace? They aren't worried in the least about making this world safer for anyone and to believe otherwise is a bit naive, imo.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
precisely
uh...if by 'Very well said.' you mean 'Completely misrepresent what was said.' i guess i would agree, otherwise....
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way