It doesn't matter how small the percentage I can't agree to forcing someone to spend the money the way I see fit. Secondly not all wealthy individuals obtained their money through unfair practices or policies. Not every CEO fits the preconceived mold, that you have created for them, of the greedy old man swiping his employees retirement fund to buy another mansion. If it wasn't for some of these wealthy people I would have a job nor would you.
I never said ALL earned their money that way. You choose to put those words in my mouth to make a point. I do know some do good and are fair but there's a large percent that do exactly what I was talking about. Watch the doc The Corporation...it'll show you the some of the ones I'm talking about.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
it was money spent to fight against the vietman war; to give equal rights to everyone; and get government OUT of our bedrooms. we also donated to the needy; but back then they were needy because of an accident or disability. now people are just lazy and i won't support that.
Well, I don't think Nam was necessary.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
we have that. it's called taxes. and when the majority of people say raise our taxes and give it to the poor; the government will gladly take that money and distribute it. will you be the first to say "raise my taxes"?
Only if they are spending the money where it is needed which is far from the case seeing as how so much goes to programs that aren't helping the less fortunate in the least. And the social programs that are in place are being cut back and severely under funded.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I never said ALL earned their money that way. You choose to put those words in my mouth to make a point. I do know some do good and are fair but there's a large percent that do exactly what I was talking about. Watch the doc The Corporation...it'll show you the some of the ones I'm talking about.
I've seen the documentary and I agree that there are plenty that are assholes but their are more wealthy people that are giving and do not use thievery to gain their riches. secondly i didn't put words in your mouth. i took you comment for what it was. Maybe next time be a bit more specific and your statments may not be misinterpreted.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I just don't believe the liberty do whatever you wish with all of your money or your liberty to gain as much wealth by any means you choose should trump the lives of others who are suffering endlessly and dying while you enjoy all of your precious liberty. Liberty means shit to them...they often don't even have access to a clean glass of water.
when i read this i wonder if we'd have windows if bill gates was only allowed to make a certain amount of money. (you're asking for communism). or if the MRI would be invented yet if the inventors didn't have the money incentive. the second most powerful nation in the world tried it that way and fell [ussr]. all of us donate to a cause we feel is worthy. when we don't see a worthy cause or see corruption in the distribution of money to that cause; we don't donate. almost all of the money donated to catholic charities goes to help the poor. when did you donate last?
Abortion? Leave me alone, it's my body, my choice.
Drugs? Legalize them, we should be truly free and have a choice to use them if we desire.
God? Don't force that down my throat.
Other peoples money? Well…they should spend it the way WE think they should spend it…or they're greedy pigs!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny how you guys get so involved with other peoples money, but you're so hands off about everything else. I wonder who the real greedy bastards are sometimes.
Does an opinion that a group of people are cheap affect those peoples lives?
Do you see people being arrested by police or confronted by protesters, or have people show up with bibles at their doors on how they open their wallets to charity?
I don't...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Only if they are spending the money where it is needed which is far from the case seeing as how so much goes to programs that aren't helping the less fortunate in the least. And the social programs that are in place are being cut back and severely under funded.
i agree; but the money would be distributed by this same government. the same government that will give money and/or aid to illegals while ignoring our inner city problems. i heard part of a news story where water is being placed in the desert to save the lives of illegals crossing the border. when people are living the american dream they will donate to things that help americans; or others in other countries when needed. look at the money raised for the tsunami or katrina. if the money is being spent right; we will donate.
I've seen the documentary and I agree that there are plenty that are assholes but their are more wealthy people that are giving and do not use thievery to gain their riches. secondly i didn't put words in your mouth. i took you comment for what it was. Maybe next time be a bit more specific and your statments may not be misinterpreted.
Next time just don't assume past what I said. It's obvious every wealthy person doesn't fit into the same group as the one's I'm talking about here and I didn't feel the obvious needed to be stated.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Next time just done assume past what I said. It's obviously every wealthy person doesn't fit into the the same group as the one's I'm talking about here and I didn't feel the obvious needed to be stated.
Don't blame me if you can't express yourself clearly.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
when i read this i wonder if we'd have windows if bill gates was only allowed to make a certain amount of money. (you're asking for communism). or if the MRI would be invented yet if the inventors didn't have the money incentive. the second most powerful nation in the world tried it that way and fell [ussr]. all of us donate to a cause we feel is worthy. when we don't see a worthy cause or see corruption in the distribution of money to that cause; we don't donate. almost all of the money donated to catholic charities goes to help the poor. when did you donate last?
I donate all the time, last week I renewed my amnesty international membership and sent extra...so what? Do I have to post ever time I donate to be able to have point here? That's ridiculous.
Call it communism or whatever label you choose to demonize it with. The point still will stand. And I do believe people care about making the world a better place to live without having to be driven by money. I think that's a sad way to look at the human race and I don't share that view for one second. That's probably where our disagreement starts and can't get past.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Don't blame me if you can't express yourself clearly.
I said what I needed to say and you tried to add more to it. I even referred in the post to the ones using 'unfair practices'. The one's that don't obviously aren't included in that group.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
If you're not giving anything or less than 1% then yes, I think you are.
So if you're giving 1.5% then you're OK?
The point is, there's a lot more that all of us on this board could do and give than what we're doing and giving. When we all finally reach the point where we cannot possibly do more, then we would be entitled to look and pass judgement on what others are doing. Until that point, we're all just being hypocritical if we're judging.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
The point is, there's a lot more that all of us on this board could do and give than what we're doing and giving. When we all finally reach the point where we cannot possibly do more, then we would be entitled to look and pass judgement on what others are doing. Until that point, we're all just being hypocritical if we're judging.
I give a good amount, I like to give when I have it and if everyone gave the percentage I do or others like hippiemom does then the problem wouldn't be anywhere close to as large as it is now.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Abortion? Leave me alone, it's my body, my choice.
Drugs? Legalize them, we should be truly free and have a choice to use them if we desire.
God? Don't force that down my throat.
Other peoples money? Well…they should spend it the way WE think they should spend it…or they're greedy pigs!!!!!!!!!!!
Funny how you guys get so involved with other peoples money, but you're so hands off about everything else. I wonder who the real greedy bastards are sometimes.
nice to see you hhkc. seems like years.
i used to donate quite a bit. i admit a lot of it was for tax purposes but i got caught up in it and it was a good feeling. but i can't support a world like this. my donations now enable the world to continue this behavior. with global warming at our doors; the weak will die off and the strong will rebuild the nation.
i agree; but the money would be distributed by this same government. the same government that will give money and/or aid to illegals while ignoring our inner city problems. i heard part of a news story where water is being placed in the desert to save the lives of illegals crossing the border. when people are living the american dream they will donate to things that help americans; or others in other countries when needed. look at the money raised for the tsunami or katrina. if the money is being spent right; we will donate.
The tsunami and katrina were all over the news. So many of the world's impoverished are left out of the headlines.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Your ant-corporate anti-capitalist views are better clear on this board. You made a generalization and got called on it.
Point to where I said all corporations or wealthy people used unfair practices.
Point to me where I said any of this:
Secondly not all wealthy individuals obtained their money through unfair practices or policies. Not every CEO fits the preconceived mold, that you have created for them, of the greedy old man swiping his employees retirement fund to buy another mansion. If it wasn't for some of these wealthy people I would have a job nor would you
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Well it should be a crime because it's doing a lot of harm just the same as other things that are against the law. I believe we owe it to humanity and to ourselves to make sure that the least among us aren't suffering needlessly. If you're allowing that to happen...damn right I'll begrudge you.
Well done.
Totally humanity needs a tune-up.
Thanks for this Abook
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Point to where I said all corporations or wealthy people used unfair practices.
Point to me where I said any of this:
Secondly not all wealthy individuals obtained their money through unfair practices or policies. Not every CEO fits the preconceived mold, that you have created for them, of the greedy old man swiping his employees retirement fund to buy another mansion. If it wasn't for some of these wealthy people I would have a job nor would you
Your right I was making assumptions. Sorry I'm in a shitty mood and just vented on you. Big asshole move by me and I apologize.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Would people here say that to be considered "wealthy" you should be in the top 10% in the world?
That is interesting. I can't give you the percent I give. Hell, I don't even keep a balanced check book. I've never been good with keeping track of money. I will say I live pretty simply and don't splurge too often at all. I even buy used clothes at thrift shops often, hand wash my dishes and save plenty of other ways that help me be able to give more and pay my bills. It's not cheap to live here either.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I donate all the time, last week I renewed my amnesty international membership and sent extra...so what? Do I have to post ever time I donate to be able to have point here? That's ridiculous.
Call it communism or whatever label you choose to demonize it with. The point still will stand. And I do believe people care about making the world a better place to live without having to be driven by money. I think that's a sad way to look at the human race and I don't share that view for one second. That's probably where our disagreement starts and can't get past.
i don't think you should post whenever you donate. and i don't mean to imply that you don't. i'm sure you do.
when the government started telling me how to spend my money; it went off-shore so they can't touch it. what doesn't go off-shore is invested in land. as the coasts evacuate the rising waters i'll make a killing selling them somewhere to live. even if that doesn't happen; the population grows every second. i used to share your opinion; but when the world started doing me wrong; i became selfish and greedy.
No problem. I was getting edgy, too. This topic brings out the emotions in me. Thank you, I'm sorry as well.
We still love you Abook. Even though the "We love you Abook" chant did not get picked up by my co-workers or go over that well. Fools, I must work with fools.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I was expecting a war vet to reject the idea that all those people died for little to no justifiable reason.
It's very difficult to accept an idea that all the loss was for naught.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
To me it makes no sense to have a 10 million dollar mansion.
7 high dollar vehicales.
Why not have a decent low-key nice home?
Why not have fewer down to earth priced vehicales?
I personally would not be able to sleep @ night
if I lived in a mansion on a hill.
I personally would not be able to sleep @ night
with my precious collection of vehicales in my
high dollar garage.
What is the point to having so much, while so many suffer?
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No, we were worried about inserting "under God" into the pledge because we thought that that would please God by setting us apart from the commies.
I never said ALL earned their money that way. You choose to put those words in my mouth to make a point. I do know some do good and are fair but there's a large percent that do exactly what I was talking about. Watch the doc The Corporation...it'll show you the some of the ones I'm talking about.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Well, I don't think Nam was necessary.
Only if they are spending the money where it is needed which is far from the case seeing as how so much goes to programs that aren't helping the less fortunate in the least. And the social programs that are in place are being cut back and severely under funded.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I've seen the documentary and I agree that there are plenty that are assholes but their are more wealthy people that are giving and do not use thievery to gain their riches. secondly i didn't put words in your mouth. i took you comment for what it was. Maybe next time be a bit more specific and your statments may not be misinterpreted.
when i read this i wonder if we'd have windows if bill gates was only allowed to make a certain amount of money. (you're asking for communism). or if the MRI would be invented yet if the inventors didn't have the money incentive. the second most powerful nation in the world tried it that way and fell [ussr]. all of us donate to a cause we feel is worthy. when we don't see a worthy cause or see corruption in the distribution of money to that cause; we don't donate. almost all of the money donated to catholic charities goes to help the poor. when did you donate last?
Does an opinion that a group of people are cheap affect those peoples lives?
Do you see people being arrested by police or confronted by protesters, or have people show up with bibles at their doors on how they open their wallets to charity?
I don't...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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i agree; but the money would be distributed by this same government. the same government that will give money and/or aid to illegals while ignoring our inner city problems. i heard part of a news story where water is being placed in the desert to save the lives of illegals crossing the border. when people are living the american dream they will donate to things that help americans; or others in other countries when needed. look at the money raised for the tsunami or katrina. if the money is being spent right; we will donate.
Next time just don't assume past what I said. It's obvious every wealthy person doesn't fit into the same group as the one's I'm talking about here and I didn't feel the obvious needed to be stated.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Don't blame me if you can't express yourself clearly.
I donate all the time, last week I renewed my amnesty international membership and sent extra...so what? Do I have to post ever time I donate to be able to have point here? That's ridiculous.
Call it communism or whatever label you choose to demonize it with. The point still will stand. And I do believe people care about making the world a better place to live without having to be driven by money. I think that's a sad way to look at the human race and I don't share that view for one second. That's probably where our disagreement starts and can't get past.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I said what I needed to say and you tried to add more to it. I even referred in the post to the ones using 'unfair practices'. The one's that don't obviously aren't included in that group.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
So if you're giving 1.5% then you're OK?
The point is, there's a lot more that all of us on this board could do and give than what we're doing and giving. When we all finally reach the point where we cannot possibly do more, then we would be entitled to look and pass judgement on what others are doing. Until that point, we're all just being hypocritical if we're judging.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I give a good amount, I like to give when I have it and if everyone gave the percentage I do or others like hippiemom does then the problem wouldn't be anywhere close to as large as it is now.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
nice to see you hhkc. seems like years.
i used to donate quite a bit. i admit a lot of it was for tax purposes but i got caught up in it and it was a good feeling. but i can't support a world like this. my donations now enable the world to continue this behavior. with global warming at our doors; the weak will die off and the strong will rebuild the nation.
Your ant-corporate anti-capitalist views are better clear on this board. You made a generalization and got called on it.
Would people here say that to be considered "wealthy" you should be in the top 10% in the world?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
The tsunami and katrina were all over the news. So many of the world's impoverished are left out of the headlines.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Point to where I said all corporations or wealthy people used unfair practices.
Point to me where I said any of this:
Secondly not all wealthy individuals obtained their money through unfair practices or policies. Not every CEO fits the preconceived mold, that you have created for them, of the greedy old man swiping his employees retirement fund to buy another mansion. If it wasn't for some of these wealthy people I would have a job nor would you
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Well done.
Totally humanity needs a tune-up.
Thanks for this Abook
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Well...it brought us the term "git some!"
justification enough from some I imagine...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Your right I was making assumptions. Sorry I'm in a shitty mood and just vented on you. Big asshole move by me and I apologize.
That is interesting. I can't give you the percent I give. Hell, I don't even keep a balanced check book.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i don't think you should post whenever you donate. and i don't mean to imply that you don't. i'm sure you do.
when the government started telling me how to spend my money; it went off-shore so they can't touch it. what doesn't go off-shore is invested in land. as the coasts evacuate the rising waters i'll make a killing selling them somewhere to live. even if that doesn't happen; the population grows every second. i used to share your opinion; but when the world started doing me wrong; i became selfish and greedy.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
No problem. I was getting edgy, too. This topic brings out the emotions in me. Thank you, I'm sorry as well.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I was expecting a war vet to reject the idea that all those people died for little to no justifiable reason.
It's very difficult to accept an idea that all the loss was for naught.
7 high dollar vehicales.
Why not have a decent low-key nice home?
Why not have fewer down to earth priced vehicales?
I personally would not be able to sleep @ night
if I lived in a mansion on a hill.
I personally would not be able to sleep @ night
with my precious collection of vehicales in my
high dollar garage.
What is the point to having so much, while so many suffer?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce