Hey... Arabs...

lalalalaaaaaaaa

Cosmo wrote:

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This kid you're talking about... she's the one who slit her wrist after burning down the art supply store that sold the crayons that some guy used to draw a picture of her cat, right? She was so enraged that someone dare draw a picture of her cat... that, not only did she burn down the art supply store, but she vowed to kill the guy who drew it and everyone that lived in his neighborhood.
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Yeah... it's okay to call her crazy.

Again, it's ok, if you're not concerned about building bridges, yes.

jsand

Saturnal wrote:

Again, it's ok, if you're not concerned about building bridges, yes.

It takes both sides to build a bridge. When one side is saying, "If you call us murderers, we will kill you," or if you draw cartoons of the "prophet" we will issue a fatwa for your death, building a bridge isn't possible.

lalalalaaaaaaaa

jsand wrote:

It takes both sides to build a bridge. When one side is saying, "If you call us murderers, we will kill you," or if you draw cartoons of the "prophet" we will issue a fatwa for your death, building a bridge isn't possible.

And when the other side is saying "you're crazy, violent people", building a bridge isn't possible either. It serves no purpose to say that other than to make it harder to build the bridge.

jsand

Saturnal wrote:

And when the other side is saying "you're crazy, violent people", building a bridge isn't possible either. It serves no purpose to say that other than to make it harder to build the bridge.

So if we say, "Hey - keep on keepin' on - you're nice and peaceful" they'll stop killing the "infidels"?

lalalalaaaaaaaa

jsand wrote:

So if we say, "Hey - keep on keepin' on - you're nice and peaceful" they'll stop killing the "infidels"?

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that scolding them for being all nutty doesn't help build a bridge. It only widens the gap.

jsand

Saturnal wrote:

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that scolding them for being all nutty doesn't help build a bridge. It only widens the gap.

What is your solution, then?

Cosmo

Saturnal wrote:

Again, it's ok, if you're not concerned about building bridges, yes.

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No... you are not going to build bridges as long as there are extremists on the fringes that control the bulk using fear and violence to make their statements.
I think you are taking this thing way out of its original context... the point being, quit acting like violent psychos who flip out and blow up shit at the drop of a hat and maybe things will work out for you. You will win points... at least, with me... if you leave it a level of discussion, rather than running amok on the streets, blowing and burning down shit. That sort of violence makes a point for the opposite side and does nothing for yourself.
You need to re-read the original posting... and this time, try not to take it so literally.

jsand

Cosmo wrote:

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No... you are not going to build bridges as long as there are extremists on the fringes that control the bulk using fear and violence to make their statements.
I think you are taking this thing way out of its original context... the point being, quit acting like violent psychos who flip out and blow up shit at the drop of a hat and maybe things will work out for you. You will win points... at least, with me... if you leave it a level of discussion, rather than running amok on the streets, blowing and burning down shit. That sort of violence makes a point for the opposite side and does nothing for yourself.
You need to re-read the original posting... and this time, try not to take it so literally.

Agreed. Whatever happend to calling a spade a spade?

lalalalaaaaaaaa

jsand wrote:

What is your solution, then?

Depends what you think the problem is. If the problem is Muslim extremism and their hatred for us, then I don't think anyone has a grand solution to that. All I'm saying is, calling them crazy and stupid only contributes to the problem.

yosi1

Saturnal wrote:

Depends what you think the problem is. If the problem is Muslim extremism and their hatred for us, then I don't think anyone has a grand solution to that. All I'm saying is, calling them crazy and stupid only contributes to the problem.

I think a solution could only happen when(even though its nearly impossible) extremist Muslims (or of any faith calling for the death of others) to realize that they are completely nuts and to change. It seems to me that the people calling them crazy are only trying to point that out. And that most of the responsibility still lies with the extremists themselves.

Cosmo

Saturnal wrote:

Depends what you think the problem is. If the problem is Muslim extremism and their hatred for us, then I don't think anyone has a grand solution to that. All I'm saying is, calling them crazy and stupid only contributes to the problem.

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And there you have it...
Don't want to what... upset them? They are already upset. Just like the Klansmen in this country... what are you gonna say to them? Are you going to ask them nicely or say, "Hey... Fuckers. Cut that crazy shit out!!!".
I think the Klansmen are crazy and I think the extremist (all extremists) are crazy.
And seriously... the best way to deal with these crazies... don't deal with these crazies. If the Klansmen want to live in isolation in the swamps and raise kids with their sisters... that's fine with me. I'm staying out of their fucking swamp. And for the extremists in the Middle East... if the majority won't even attempt to outcast them... then, I would just buy their fiucking oil at whatever prices they set and say, "Thanx, bud...", and leave.

Collin

I agree with you on the pot and shit smoking part, I find the rest of your post a bit disrespectful.

Cosmo

Collin wrote:

I agree with you on the pot and shit smoking part, I find the rest of your post a bit disrespectful.

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Just trying to make a point... not trying to score points with the P.C. police.

jsand

Cosmo wrote:

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Just trying to make a point... not trying to score points with the P.C. police.

Unfortunately, that is the reaction you get if you say anthing about Muslim extremists. Perhaps if they had any respect for "non-believers" they would get it in return?

Cosmo

jsand wrote:

Unfortunately, that is the reaction you get if you say anthing about Muslim extremists. Perhaps if they had any respect for "non-believers" they would get it in return?

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It's not Arabs... it's Arab extremists. There is a difference.
Think of it as K.K.K. members in relation to White People. Just because all Klansmen are White, doesn't mean all White people are Klansmen.
Anyone on the extremes are usually out of touch with reality... whether it is the Radical Left wing ot the Reactionary Right Wing extremists... Fundamentalist religion or fundamentalist politics... out of touch and only see their point of view. Regardles of political viewpoints or religious affiliation.

NMyTree

Cosmo wrote:

Hey, Arabs... Dudes...
Just a little advice here... you might want to knock that whole, "Death To ____ !!!" shit, down a notch or two. It kinda makes you look a little... er,... a LOT nutz. I know you know what I'm talking about... it was a fucking CARTOON, man. No need to burn shit down. And the Pope... most of us know he's full of shit and his 'followers' don't do what he says. No need to go all psycho and shit.
Personally... I think you all take your religion waaaay too damn seriously. Really. Try doing it on a part time basis like we do Christianity over here... we go to church for a couple of hours on Sunday... sing hymnns and do the whole "Jesus, save me, Jesus..." thing, then go off and do what we like doing best... making money. You should try it. You guys with your prayers every two hours every day for your whole life... ever think God just wants you to shut the fuck up for a while and enjoy this life He has given you? I mean, what do you say to God all those times? I know, we all love the compliments and 'Atta Boys' every onece in a while... but, 5 times a day... every day? Come on, you're ass kissing now.
Now, I know some of you are going to call for a 'Jihad' on my boney ass... whatever... you know where to reach me. I'm not too worried about because I've already made a few enemies... the Bush-lovers took their mouths off of the President's dick long enough to tell me I've been placed on the 'Axis Of Evil' list.
Anyway... here's a little suggestion... you guys invented Hashish, right?... I remember from my pot/stoner daze that Blonde Lebanese Hash was pretty damn good. You might want to break off a chunk of that shit and fire it up in your Hukkah pipe... put on some 'Pink Floyd' or 'Led Zeppelin' and just veg out for a bit. Lay in the sand... stare at the stars and talk about God and the Universe and wonder about stoned stoner shit... like are there more stars in the sky, than grains of sand on the Earth... or hairs on Ron Jeremy's body... whoa... where did that come from? Must have been a flashback. Anyway, you get the gist of what I'm saying, right? We're all basically the same... even the Jews. You might want to try building bridges, instead of blowing up busses. It'll make you seem a lot... less psycho. And I think God... er, Allah will still love you.
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peace...

Good for you, Cosmo!

That's some funny shit!

Also .........some true shit.

Collin

Cosmo wrote:

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Just trying to make a point... not trying to score points with the P.C. police.

I said nothing about being PC or not, I said I thought the rest of your post (or parts of it) was a bit disrespectful. I hope people can still tell the difference between basic respect and "being PC."

P.S. I don't doubt your respect for others and realize your post was meant in a humourously way.

Ahnimus

jsand wrote:

Unfortunately, that is the reaction you get if you say anthing about Muslim extremists. Perhaps if they had any respect for "non-believers" they would get it in return?

Hey, I'm a non-believer and I typically don't get any respect from any religion. Not Muslims, not Christians and certainly not Jews.

Being a non-believer is one of the toughest things to be. We have to deal with god being crammed in our faces every day of our lives. Some times I think atheists are the only ones preventing all-out holy war world-wide. Some times it seems we are the only ones keeping religion out of politics.

jsand

Ahnimus wrote:

Hey, I'm a non-believer and I typically don't get any respect from any religion. Not Muslims, not Christians and certainly not Jews.

Being a non-believer is one of the toughest things to be. We have to deal with god being crammed in our faces every day of our lives. Some times I think atheists are the only ones preventing all-out holy war world-wide. Some times it seems we are the only ones keeping religion out of politics.

Yeah, those pesky Jews are always pushing god into everyone's faces. Where does your obvious animosity towards Jews come from?

Cosmo

Collin wrote:

I said nothing about being PC or not, I said I thought the rest of your post (or parts of it) was a bit disrespectful. I hope people can still tell the difference between basic respect and "being PC."

P.S. I don't doubt your respect for others and realize your post was meant in a humourously way.

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I'm one of those guys that sees things and says what he thinks. I really don't have any filters that makes me shut up when I'm supposed to.
I'm not sure what disrespect you are speaking of... I said disrespectful things about Arabs and Christians and the Pope and America and Bush supporters... I'm an equal opportunity disrespecter.