Did anyone else feel a little dirty about her bringing up the fact that her son is "special needs"? It just seemed like such sleazy pandering basically using that issue to reach out to other special needs parents.
No. I'm sure she is an advocate for special needs children...that's what advocates do, they bring up the issues they care about.
It's the same thing that Biden is trying ot do with the "blue collar" workers and their "dinner table talk"...trying to show that he is like them, so he gets it.
She was stating a fact, letting parents of special needs kids know that someone knows what they go through (albeit for only 5 months so far) and that she will keep that in mind.
Ok, let me put it this way. I think "hockey moms" (whatever that means) can be president or vice president. I think it is perfectly understandable that a man or a woman will want their children by their side on an extraordinary night. I do think she has the right to define herself as a mother without being deluged with sexist comments and criticism of her parenting skills.
I hope to god she is not elected, I hope women remain in control of their bodies and teenagers across the country have the right to know about sexuality without putting up wish bullshit shame and bigotry. I think Brain of J.Lo.'s question about privacy in a different thread was a very legitimate one. I don't actually think Palin's election would be a real victory for women, but I do think NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING is to be gained by questioning bedtime, linking a mother's involvement in politics to a girl's pregnancy, or asserting that Palin is irresponsible in pursuing a political career as a mother of five.
who's being sexist...? she's the one touting herself as a "hockey mom" and a mother of a child with special needs...as I see it, if she's the one stating this sort of thing, then it can be discussed, plain and simple...
sure, I questioned why a 5 month old child was there in the large venue. Apparently it's not a big issue to some...that's cool...personally, I don't see an issue with asking why that child was there...
again, I saw no other kids that age the convention....none, nada, zip...if it was such a child friendly environment, why weren't there more babies...?
yes, I get the fact it was a big night, yes, I understand that...but if she's going to use being a mother of 5 as a strength, then it opens her up to inquiry...
No problem..so do you think Palin deems wasting time all day on a message board is a form of good parenting? I bet you don't give a shit what she thinks, and vise versa..is all I'm saying, and I trust you are a great parent....hope this adds something to your little discussion/objective ..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Ok, let me put it this way. I think "hockey moms" (whatever that means) can be president or vice president. I think it is perfectly understandable that a man or a woman will want their children by their side on an extraordinary night. I do think she has the right to define herself as a mother without being deluged with sexist comments and criticism of her parenting skills.
I hope to god she is not elected, I hope women remain in control of their bodies and teenagers across the country have the right to know about sexuality without putting up wish bullshit shame and bigotry. I think Brain of J.Lo.'s question about privacy in a different thread was a very legitimate one. I don't actually think Palin's election would be a real victory for women, but I do think NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING is to be gained by questioning bedtime, linking a mother's involvement in politics to a girl's pregnancy, or asserting that Palin is irresponsible in pursuing a political career as a mother of five.
Well put..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
No. I'm sure she is an advocate for special needs children...that's what advocates do, they bring up the issues they care about.
It's the same thing that Biden is trying ot do with the "blue collar" workers and their "dinner table talk"...trying to show that he is like them, so he gets it.
She was stating a fact, letting parents of special needs kids know that someone knows what they go through (albeit for only 5 months so far) and that she will keep that in mind.
I do see that side of it too, and agree about the advocacy side... but for some reason it just struck me as out of place in the speech or something. I can't put my finger on it, but it just sort of felt weird to me.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
No problem..so do you think Palin deems wasting time all day on a message board is a form of good parenting? I bet you don't give a shit what she thinks, and vise versa..is all I'm saying, and I trust you are a great parent....hope this adds something to your little discussion/objective ..
You get paid for posting on a message board? If your job allows you all this 'free' time, what you do with it is still your choice..and yes we could all be doing something more productive/meaningful for our families than posting on this message board..which is a complete waste of time, and I don't think that's a secret ..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
I tend to agree, but it seems like she and McCain camp is trying to have it both ways. They have no problems bringing up the fact that she is a mother, wants to connect with other mothers, etc etc etc., but then when question rise about how her role as a mother of a large family (and an infant) will fit into the requirements of the VP job, they cry foul.
Fair enough, I still think the worst thing liberal democrats can do is to respond to this by arguing that moms should stay home with their babies.
(just for the record, I think it is crucial that someone stay home with babies, but also think it's a cheap shot for society to say in this day and age that that task naturally befits mothers. How about a society structured around less cut-throat competitive principles, where raising kids is a crucial thing for both parents?)
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
who's being sexist...? she's the one touting herself as a "hockey mom" and a mother of a child with special needs...as I see it, if she's the one stating this sort of thing, then it can be discussed, plain and simple...
sure, I questioned why a 5 month old child was there in the large venue. Apparently it's not a big issue to some...that's cool...personally, I don't see an issue with asking why that child was there...
again, I saw no other kids that age the convention....none, nada, zip...if it was such a child friendly environment, why weren't there more babies...?
yes, I get the fact it was a big night, yes, I understand that...but if she's going to use being a mother of 5 as a strength, then it opens her up to inquiry...
Wow... although you quoted it, my post went completely over your head. I think it's stupid to respond on the parenting skills questions, and reactionary, and demeaning to women. Also, there were no babies because ORDINARILY babies don't attend conventions. But this was an extraordinary occasion. Am I a deranged mother for taking my son to Italy to see his grandparents when he was a few months old? Surely a noisy plane is not the best place for a baby to sleep? And what about the danger of it falling off? :rolleyes:
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
I do see that side of it too, and agree about the advocacy side... but for some reason it just struck me as out of place in the speech or something. I can't put my finger on it, but it just sort of felt weird to me.
I think you felt weird about it, b/c deep down you felt sympathy and possibly agreed with her on something...and that bothers you
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
sounds to me as if a bunch of folks are pissed that McCain has pulled off a slam dunk on this election and everyone is lashing out at anything they can....this shit is hilarious to me..."hey boys and girls, we can't dig up anything better on this woman, so lets attack her parenting skills"...shit most of you bitching probably don't even know who your daddy is...so shut the fuck up about this woman's family and grow the hell up! jesus fucking christ, it never stops on here does it?!?!?!!
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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you are absolutely right...I've read one thread..my fucking blood pressure shot up about 50 pts...I'm going to take another blood pressure pill now and leave this board for a while...I simply can't take it...anybody have some Pepto...heartburn , nausea, indigestion....diarreaha......FUCK! :(
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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sounds to me as if a bunch of folks are pissed that McCain has pulled off a slam dunk on this election and everyone is lashing out at anything they can....this shit is hilarious to me..."hey boys and girls, we can't dig up anything better on this woman, so lets attack her parenting skills"...shit most of you bitching probably don't even know who your daddy is...so shut the fuck up about this woman's family and grow the hell up! jesus fucking christ, it never stops on here does it?!?!?!!
sounds to me as if a bunch of folks are pissed that McCain has pulled off a slam dunk on this election and everyone is lashing out at anything they can....this shit is hilarious to me..."hey boys and girls, we can't dig up anything better on this woman, so lets attack her parenting skills"...shit most of you bitching probably don't even know who your daddy is...so shut the fuck up about this woman's family and grow the hell up! jesus fucking christ, it never stops on here does it?!?!?!!
Kind of blunt and harsh but it gets the point across.
I think the finger pointing should begin with the Democrats candidate.
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No. I'm sure she is an advocate for special needs children...that's what advocates do, they bring up the issues they care about.
It's the same thing that Biden is trying ot do with the "blue collar" workers and their "dinner table talk"...trying to show that he is like them, so he gets it.
She was stating a fact, letting parents of special needs kids know that someone knows what they go through (albeit for only 5 months so far) and that she will keep that in mind.
who's being sexist...? she's the one touting herself as a "hockey mom" and a mother of a child with special needs...as I see it, if she's the one stating this sort of thing, then it can be discussed, plain and simple...
sure, I questioned why a 5 month old child was there in the large venue. Apparently it's not a big issue to some...that's cool...personally, I don't see an issue with asking why that child was there...
again, I saw no other kids that age the convention....none, nada, zip...if it was such a child friendly environment, why weren't there more babies...?
yes, I get the fact it was a big night, yes, I understand that...but if she's going to use being a mother of 5 as a strength, then it opens her up to inquiry...
No problem..so do you think Palin deems wasting time all day on a message board is a form of good parenting? I bet you don't give a shit what she thinks, and vise versa..is all I'm saying, and I trust you are a great parent....hope this adds something to your little discussion/objective
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Well put..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
I do see that side of it too, and agree about the advocacy side... but for some reason it just struck me as out of place in the speech or something. I can't put my finger on it, but it just sort of felt weird to me.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
how do you know I'm wasting my time away...?
this is work...:D
thanks for adding to the discussion...
You get paid for posting on a message board? If your job allows you all this 'free' time, what you do with it is still your choice..and yes we could all be doing something more productive/meaningful for our families than posting on this message board..which is a complete waste of time, and I don't think that's a secret
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Fair enough, I still think the worst thing liberal democrats can do is to respond to this by arguing that moms should stay home with their babies.
(just for the record, I think it is crucial that someone stay home with babies, but also think it's a cheap shot for society to say in this day and age that that task naturally befits mothers. How about a society structured around less cut-throat competitive principles, where raising kids is a crucial thing for both parents?)
Wow... although you quoted it, my post went completely over your head. I think it's stupid to respond on the parenting skills questions, and reactionary, and demeaning to women. Also, there were no babies because ORDINARILY babies don't attend conventions. But this was an extraordinary occasion. Am I a deranged mother for taking my son to Italy to see his grandparents when he was a few months old? Surely a noisy plane is not the best place for a baby to sleep? And what about the danger of it falling off? :rolleyes:
That point about message boards was pretty good too.
*drowns in guilt*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z42VFchucnU
It ain't gonna make me vote Republican, though!
I think you felt weird about it, b/c deep down you felt sympathy and possibly agreed with her on something...and that bothers you
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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not on "a moving train"
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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WHO CARES??!!!
That has nothing to do with the issues.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
who said it did...? I'll repeat, it's just a question...others took the ball and ran with it...
thanks for caring enough to join the discussion...
he he...
relax...it'll be ok...:)
Who are you to tell her how to raise her children?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Kind of blunt and harsh but it gets the point across.
I think the finger pointing should begin with the Democrats candidate.
I'm inmytree, damn glad to meet you...:D