Poll: Iraqis back attacks on U.S. troops
inmytree
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the moat idea must not have won the "hearts and minds"....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060928/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraqi_opinion_7;_ylt=AqVx6uySXdjzPNFDKyN0sngUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw--
By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer 44 minutes ago
About six in 10 Iraqis say they approve of attacks on U.S.-led forces, and slightly more than that want their government to ask U.S. troops to leave within a year, according to a poll in that country.
The Iraqis also have negative views of Osama bin Laden, according to the early September poll of 1,150.
The poll, done for University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes, found:
_Almost four in five Iraqis say the U.S. military force in Iraq provokes more violence than it prevents.
_About 61 percent approved of the attacks — up from 47 percent in January. A solid majority of Shiite and Sunni Arabs approved of the attacks, according to the poll. The increase came mostly among Shiite Iraqis.
_An overwhelmingly negative opinion of terror chief bin Laden and more than half, 57 percent, disapproving of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
_Three-fourths say they think the United States plans to keep military bases in Iraq permanently.
_A majority of Iraqis, 72 percent, say they think Iraq will be one state five years from now. Shiite Iraqis were most likely to feel that way, though a majority of Sunnis and Kurds also believed that would be the case.
The PIPA poll, which included an oversample of 150 Sunni Iraqis, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
The State Department, meanwhile, has also conducted its own poll, something it does periodically, spokesman Sean McCormack said. The State Department poll found that two-thirds of Iraqis in Baghdad favor an immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces, according to The Washington Post. McCormack declined to discuss details of the department's Iraq poll.
"What I hear from government representatives and other anecdotal evidence that you hear from Iraqis that is collected by embassy personnel and military personnel is that Iraqis do appreciate our presence there," he said. "They do understand the reasons for it, they do understand that we don't want to or we don't intend to be there indefinitely."
Iraqi officials have said Iraq's security was improving and expanding throughout the country, and most U.S. troops might be able to leave eventually.
Last week, Iraqi President Jalal Talibani told the United Nations that coalition forces should remain in Iraq until Iraqi security forces are "capable of putting an end to terrorism and maintaining stability and security."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060928/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraqi_opinion_7;_ylt=AqVx6uySXdjzPNFDKyN0sngUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw--
By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer 44 minutes ago
About six in 10 Iraqis say they approve of attacks on U.S.-led forces, and slightly more than that want their government to ask U.S. troops to leave within a year, according to a poll in that country.
The Iraqis also have negative views of Osama bin Laden, according to the early September poll of 1,150.
The poll, done for University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes, found:
_Almost four in five Iraqis say the U.S. military force in Iraq provokes more violence than it prevents.
_About 61 percent approved of the attacks — up from 47 percent in January. A solid majority of Shiite and Sunni Arabs approved of the attacks, according to the poll. The increase came mostly among Shiite Iraqis.
_An overwhelmingly negative opinion of terror chief bin Laden and more than half, 57 percent, disapproving of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
_Three-fourths say they think the United States plans to keep military bases in Iraq permanently.
_A majority of Iraqis, 72 percent, say they think Iraq will be one state five years from now. Shiite Iraqis were most likely to feel that way, though a majority of Sunnis and Kurds also believed that would be the case.
The PIPA poll, which included an oversample of 150 Sunni Iraqis, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
The State Department, meanwhile, has also conducted its own poll, something it does periodically, spokesman Sean McCormack said. The State Department poll found that two-thirds of Iraqis in Baghdad favor an immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces, according to The Washington Post. McCormack declined to discuss details of the department's Iraq poll.
"What I hear from government representatives and other anecdotal evidence that you hear from Iraqis that is collected by embassy personnel and military personnel is that Iraqis do appreciate our presence there," he said. "They do understand the reasons for it, they do understand that we don't want to or we don't intend to be there indefinitely."
Iraqi officials have said Iraq's security was improving and expanding throughout the country, and most U.S. troops might be able to leave eventually.
Last week, Iraqi President Jalal Talibani told the United Nations that coalition forces should remain in Iraq until Iraqi security forces are "capable of putting an end to terrorism and maintaining stability and security."
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inmytree wrote:the moat idea must not have won the "hearts and minds"....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060928/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraqi_opinion_7;_ylt=AqVx6uySXdjzPNFDKyN0sngUewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw--
By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer 44 minutes ago
About six in 10 Iraqis say they approve of attacks on U.S.-led forces, and slightly more than that want their government to ask U.S. troops to leave within a year, according to a poll in that country.
The Iraqis also have negative views of Osama bin Laden, according to the early September poll of 1,150.
The poll, done for University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes, found:
_Almost four in five Iraqis say the U.S. military force in Iraq provokes more violence than it prevents.
_About 61 percent approved of the attacks — up from 47 percent in January. A solid majority of Shiite and Sunni Arabs approved of the attacks, according to the poll. The increase came mostly among Shiite Iraqis.
_An overwhelmingly negative opinion of terror chief bin Laden and more than half, 57 percent, disapproving of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
_Three-fourths say they think the United States plans to keep military bases in Iraq permanently.
_A majority of Iraqis, 72 percent, say they think Iraq will be one state five years from now. Shiite Iraqis were most likely to feel that way, though a majority of Sunnis and Kurds also believed that would be the case.
The PIPA poll, which included an oversample of 150 Sunni Iraqis, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
The State Department, meanwhile, has also conducted its own poll, something it does periodically, spokesman Sean McCormack said. The State Department poll found that two-thirds of Iraqis in Baghdad favor an immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces, according to The Washington Post. McCormack declined to discuss details of the department's Iraq poll.
"What I hear from government representatives and other anecdotal evidence that you hear from Iraqis that is collected by embassy personnel and military personnel is that Iraqis do appreciate our presence there," he said. "They do understand the reasons for it, they do understand that we don't want to or we don't intend to be there indefinitely."
Iraqi officials have said Iraq's security was improving and expanding throughout the country, and most U.S. troops might be able to leave eventually.
Last week, Iraqi President Jalal Talibani told the United Nations that coalition forces should remain in Iraq until Iraqi security forces are "capable of putting an end to terrorism and maintaining stability and security."
can you say Vietnam....“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish0 -
Its always easier to blame an outsider for your problems.0
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reborncareerist wrote:Its always easier to blame an outsider for your problems.
good point...outsiders have "nothing" to do with their problems...:rolleyes:0 -
reborncareerist wrote:Its always easier to blame an outsider for your problems.
considering there were not bodies turning up tortured all the time BEFORE the U.S. invaded....I would say...maybe the outsider did have a bit to do w/ their problems.“Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
-Big Fish0 -
inmytree wrote:good point...outsiders have "nothing" to do with their problems...:rolleyes:
Keep rolling your eyes, its easier than thinking critically.0 -
THC wrote:considering there were not bodies turning up tortured all the time BEFORE the U.S. invaded....I would say...maybe the outsider did have a bit to do w/ their problems.
So all it takes is the presence of U.S. soldiers to lead to this kind of sectarian violence? I am not talking about attacks on U.S. troops, I am talking about Iraqis killing Iraqis. The sectarian problem in Iraq is not an American creation, and if U.S. troops left, the problem would probably get even worse.0 -
reborncareerist wrote:Its always easier to blame an outsider for your problems.
Are you saying we are not to be blamed? If so, what's the basis?0 -
Wasn't it outsiders that drew the boarders, though; basically putting all these people into one country when they didn't necessarily want it?reborncareerist wrote:So all it takes is the presence of U.S. soldiers to lead to this kind of sectarian violence? I am not talking about attacks on U.S. troops, I am talking about Iraqis killing Iraqis. The sectarian problem in Iraq is not an American creation, and if U.S. troops left, the problem would probably get even worse.0 -
THC wrote:considering there were not bodies turning up tortured all the time BEFORE the U.S. invaded....I would say...maybe the outsider did have a bit to do w/ their problems.
I'm no supporter of the Iraq war, but this is just bullshit. Saddam and his thug sons committed their fair share of toture and rape long before we arrived."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
Open wrote:Are you saying we are not to be blamed? If so, what's the basis?
The U.S. is responsible for destabilizing Iraq ... However, they are not responsible for some Shi'ite deciding to take advantage of the chaos to kill some Sunnis (or vice versa). You guys speak of the Iraqis as if they have no choice, no free will ... Which is frankly bullshit and elitist. These people choose to fight each other for religious reasons. The U.S. presence might enable them, but it didn't create the original animosity.0 -
reborncareerist wrote:Keep rolling your eyes, its easier than thinking critically.
um, ok...
let's examine this...the US invades (for whatever reason), war and death ensues, the Iraqi people want the US to leave, no plan in place to leave (unless you buy the Stand up/stand down thing), bombings contiue daily...
and they have the balls blame the people occupying their country...
yeah, I'll keep rolling my eyes...0 -
reborncareerist wrote:Its always easier to blame an outsider for your problems.
Thats a very arrogant statement.0 -
jeffbr wrote:I'm no supporter of the Iraq war
And I am not either. I think its a bullshit fucking war. That doesn't make me blame the Americans for every single problem over there, though.0 -
TheVoiceInside wrote:Thats a very arrogant statement.
Too bad you feel that way ... I stand by it. Personally, I think blaming Americans for everything is also arrogant, myopic, and ignorant, but that doesn't stop 80% of this board from doing just that.0 -
inmytree wrote:yeah, I'll keep rolling my eyes...
Careful, they might stay that way.0 -
inmytree wrote:the moat idea must not have won the "hearts and minds"....
Shoulda called it a "Watery Ring of Freedom" instead. They couldn't help but love it if we'd called it that."Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."0 -
reborncareerist wrote:Too bad you feel that way ... I stand by it. Personally, I think blaming Americans for everything is also arrogant, myopic, and ignorant, but that doesn't stop 80% of this board from doing just that.
perhaps if you engaged in some critical thinking, you'd see things differently...0 -
inmytree wrote:perhaps if you engaged in some critical thinking, you'd see things differently...
You could try responding to what I wrote earlier ... I admitted that the U.S. had a destabilzing influence. But unless you already have underlying problems, an occupation should not produce this amount of civilian on civilian religious violence. The U.S. was the catalyst, sure. But years under Saddam Hussein laid the important groundwork for what is happening now.0
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