"Bush Bashing"

inmytree

I asked this in another thread yesterday, but didn't get much feedback...

my question is: What is "Bush Bashing"...? I'm serious and curious as to how that is defined by those who use it...

for me, I see it as a way to dimiss negative criticism and/or views of bush, his policies, and any choices he makes without addressing issue raised...am I wrong..?

Byrnzie

inmytree wrote:

I asked this in another thread yesterday, but didn't get much feedback...

my question is: What is "Bush Bashing"...? I'm serious and curious as to how that is defined by those who use it...

for me, I see it as a way to dimiss negative criticism and/or views of bush, his policies, and any choices he makes without addressing issue raised...am I wrong..?

I suppose it's on a par with 'Anti-American' - a meaningless statement designed to avoid confonting facts.

PaperPlates

There's criticism, with the goal of improving things, and there's blaming things on bush that are clearly out of his control or things handed to him by previous presidents, soley because you dislike the man. THAT to me is the difference. What is the goal of said criticism. "Bashing" is in now. All the comedians are doing it. All the celebrities are doing it. Its chic, apparently.

soulsinging

inmytree wrote:

for me, I see it as a way to dimiss negative criticism and/or views of bush, his policies, and any choices he makes without addressing issue raised...am I wrong..?

nope. in fact, you're pretty much spot on.

Open

PaperPlates wrote:

There's criticism, with the goal of improving things, and there's blaming things on bush that are clearly out of his control or things handed to him by previous presidents, soley because you dislike the man. THAT to me is the difference. What is the goal of said criticism. "Bashing" is in now. All the comedians are doing it. All the celebrities are doing it. Its chic, apparently.

Give an example of what he's being blamed for by other presidents?

PaperPlates

Open wrote:

Give an example of what he's being blamed for by other presidents?

Well, Bill Clinton may have "tried", but he sorta dumped that whole "bin laden thing" on georgie. For starters.

Open

PaperPlates wrote:

Well, Bill Clinton may have "tried", but he sorta dumped that whole "bin laden thing" on georgie. For starters.

The point that your missing is that he is being criticized for Iraq. If he would have stayed in Afg and gone after BL then i dont think the criticisim would be so heavy.

NakedClown

Open wrote:

The point that your missing is that he is being criticized for Iraq. If he would have stayed in Afg and gone after BL then i dont think the criticisim would be so heavy.

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soulsinging

PaperPlates wrote:

Well, Bill Clinton may have "tried", but he sorta dumped that whole "bin laden thing" on georgie. For starters.

did i miss the headline where bush succeeded in capturing bin laden where clinton failed?

PaperPlates

Open wrote:

The point that your missing is that he is being criticized for Iraq. If he would have stayed in Afg and gone after BL then i dont think the criticisim would be so heavy.

Im not missing anything. You however, are hijacking the thread. If all the left criticized Bush for was Iraq, it wouldnt be so ridiculous. But some of the things I've seen blamed on Bush in the last few years are hilarious. This is a "criticize vs. Bash" thread.


bash (bsh) Pronunciation Key
v. bashed, bash·ing, bash·es
v. tr.
To strike with a heavy, crushing blow: The thug bashed the hood of the car with a sledgehammer.
To beat or assault severely:
To engage in harsh, accusatory, threatening criticism.



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crit‧i‧cize  /ˈkrɪtəˌsaɪz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[krit-uh-sahyz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -cized, -ciz‧ing.

–verb (used with object) 1. to censure or find fault with.
2. to judge or discuss the merits and faults of: to criticize three novels in one review.
–verb (used without object) 3. to find fault; judge unfavorably or harshly.
4. to make judgments as to merits and faults.

PaperPlates

soulsinging wrote:

did i miss the headline where bush succeeded in capturing bin laden where clinton failed?

Did I miss where that was the topic of this thread?

Bush bashers are lining up for this thread. :0

jlew24asu

Open wrote:

The point that your missing is that he is being criticized for Iraq. If he would have stayed in Afg and gone after BL then i dont think the criticisim would be so heavy.

this is very true. but he is also "bashed" on many other issues besides Iraq. for example, the techniques used on the war on terror. people see it from both sides. if they dont agree, like most here, they bash. see definition above.

PaperPlates

jlew24asu wrote:

this is very true. but he is also "bashed" on many other issues besides Iraq. for example, the techniques used on the war on terror. people see it from both sides.

People rarely if ever see things "from both sides". The pit would be the perfect example of that.

Open

PaperPlates wrote:

Im not missing anything. You however, are hijacking the thread. If all the left criticized Bush for was Iraq, it wouldnt be so ridiculous. But some of the things I've seen blamed on Bush in the last few years are hilarious. This is a "criticize vs. Bash" thread.


bash (bsh) Pronunciation Key
v. bashed, bash·ing, bash·es
v. tr.
To strike with a heavy, crushing blow: The thug bashed the hood of the car with a sledgehammer.
To beat or assault severely:
To engage in harsh, accusatory, threatening criticism.



VS.

crit‧i‧cize  /ˈkrɪtəˌsaɪz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[krit-uh-sahyz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, -cized, -ciz‧ing.

–verb (used with object) 1. to censure or find fault with.
2. to judge or discuss the merits and faults of: to criticize three novels in one review.
–verb (used without object) 3. to find fault; judge unfavorably or harshly.
4. to make judgments as to merits and faults.

inmytree if you consider this hijacking then i apologize....

PP - You brought Bin Ladin being left for Bush, i clarified for you what people are bashing.

Milhouse VanHouten

PaperPlates wrote:

There's criticism, with the goal of improving things, and there's blaming things on bush that are clearly out of his control or things handed to him by previous presidents, soley because you dislike the man. THAT to me is the difference. What is the goal of said criticism. "Bashing" is in now. All the comedians are doing it. All the celebrities are doing it. Its chic, apparently.

Oh, Jesus Christ. Did you not watch tv or listen to the radio from 1992-2000? Yeah, the entertainment industry just decided to start criticizing politicians last week.

I will never understand why some actor/musician criticizing the President gets some people bent so out of shape. These right wing radio people harp about it constantly. "These unqualified celebrities spouting their unsolicited opinions, etc. etc." I find these criticisms pretty ironic coming from a bunch of overbearing, condescending fat-asses whose main job is to run their mouths.

hippiemom

I think picking on the guy for things like his drinking, his alleged cocaine use, or his college hijinks could be called "Bush bashing." Those things are ancient history, he doesn't engage in those behaviors any more, and it's totally irrelevant to the current situation. I don't know many people who'd like to have every stupid thing they did in their teens and twenties held over their heads for the rest of their lives. I know I certainly wouldn't.

That's not to say that all old news is irrelevant. When he criticizes (or allows his subordinates to criticize) the military service of others, he opens himself to examination of his own service, for example.

A recitation of facts that happens to make Bush look bad is NOT bashing.

Open

jlew24asu wrote:

this is very true. but he is also "bashed" on many other issues besides Iraq. for example, the techniques used on the war on terror. people see it from both sides. if they dont agree, like most here, they bash. see definition above.

Let's see Bashing someone for a blowjob....or bashing someone for the lives of thousands of innocents? Which one should bash apply to? See definitions above.

As far as war techniques go, for someone to run on moral values, then advocated torture...that shoulnt be bashed.

Byrnzie

NakedClown wrote:

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A naked clown? Must get chilly! :eek:

pushmepullme

I love bush bashing. I used to get really fucked off by the stupid prick, then i decided its far more fun to mock him. And its brilliant when Bush lovers bite! So here goes:

George Bush is a greater threat to your national security than Al Qaeda ever was, and shall ever be.

Let the bites, begin!

John Budge

PaperPlates wrote:

There's criticism, with the goal of improving things, and there's blaming things on bush that are clearly out of his control or things handed to him by previous presidents, soley because you dislike the man. THAT to me is the difference. What is the goal of said criticism. "Bashing" is in now. All the comedians are doing it. All the celebrities are doing it. Its chic, apparently.

I'm sure no con or comedian ever bashed Clinton for the sake of ratings or being chic.

surferdude

To me it becomes Bush Bashing when it's over things Bush has no control over, when the bashing would happen regardless of decision made by Bush, or when it is a by-product of fear-mongering.

Examples:
1. Things Bush has no control over - Presidents have next to no control over the economy. Head of the Federal Reserve has much more power here. States have much more power here.
2. Damn if you do, damned if you don't - Going into Darfur without a UN resolution. If Bush did he'd hear all about this being another example of the US acting on it's own. An dby waiting for a UN resolution he' gets bashed for not doing the right thing.
3. Fear-mongering - Look at the baseless fear-mongering that surrounded Bush's Supreme Court Nominations. Some people were acting liek it was the end of the world. So far they look to have been pretty solid choices.