Clinton is a politician, as is Obama. I hope you are not the person waking up at some point, maybe soon, since the potentially embarrassing Rezko trial's about to get under way. It could turn out your candidate has done some pocket lining himself. Maybe some little string pulling. Wouldn't that be novel? A politician lining their pockets?
Obama and Clinton are the same. Obama has resorted to a few tactics over the last few weeks himself. And I thought he was so much better than she. He hasn't shown me he's any different. He talks a good game, but plays the same old one. Which, to be quite honest, is why I think he'd wouldn't be such a bad president. It's a skill to get people to think Pepsi and Coke are radically different with radical differences to those who chose them. Got to give the man credit where it is due. And here it is undeniably due. Hope and dreams and good lines are the bottled water marketing dreams of politics. Bill Clinton used the same thing to win himself the presidency, so the formulation is hardly even original. Obama's campaign is so recycled that he is not only the same as Hillary Clinton politically, but he's lifted her husband's campaign. He's not even different in that light.
Living in Chicago and hearing the details of the Rezko shit everyday I am sure that nothing new will come out about Obama in the trail that has not already came out or that he has already admitted to......
Our governor on the other hand might go down......
The Clintons on the other hand of hands still don't admit to anything and have a lot of shady business dealings.... did you ever wonder where Hillary got the $5 million that she and Billy injected into her campaign after super tuesday? Must be nice to have extra 5 million laying around just in case, I would like her to be as honest about where she got that money as Obama has been about his Rezko dealings....
Why not research her yourself? Another clone who is going to tow the line.
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Bottom line. I don't buy all this horseshit that she would be easy to beat in the General Election. Reality is ONLY the Clinton's as a team have been able to beat the Republican machine in the last 30 years. I just think she will also be able to bring alot of experienced people with her to the White House who can hit the ground running. I just don't think a green Senator getting on the job training as President in 2008 is just too risky. Talk is cheap. What has Obama done? Not much. No record and we really just don't know the guy. Everyone thinks because he s a fine orator he is ready to be President and I dispute that. One has nothing to do with the other. While I don't think Hillary is the best candidate, she is the best one left. The Democrats never run their best or most electable people...ever. Clinton was able to do it by stealing a handful of Red States and maintain the Democratic base. That wont change this year. Do you really think a moderate is going to vote for Obama afte the GOP paint his as the "most liberal Senator in Congress" which they are already doing? Listen, I like Obama and think he is refreshing. I do. I just don't think the guy is ready and some of his positions I find to be unbelievably naive to the point where I think the guy is just flat out lying. I think he may be a better candidate in 4 years or 8 years after serving some time in the Senate and learning the ropes.
Bottom line. I don't buy all this horseshit that she would be easy to beat in the General Election. Reality is ONLY the Clinton's as a team have been able to beat the Republican machine in the last 30 years. I just think she will also be able to bring alot of experienced people with her to the White House who can hit the ground running. I just don't think a green Senator getting on the job training as President in 2008 is just too risky. Talk is cheap. What has Obama done? Not much. No record and we really just don't know the guy. Everyone thinks because he s a fine orator he is ready to be President and I dispute that. One has nothing to do with the other. While I don't think Hillary is the best candidate, she is the best one left. The Democrats never run their best or most electable people...ever. Clinton was able to do it by stealing a handful of Red States and maintain the Democratic base. That wont change this year. Do you really think a moderate is going to vote for Obama afte the GOP paint his as the "most liberal Senator in Congress" which they are already doing? Listen, I like Obama and think he is refreshing. I do. I just don't think the guy is ready and some of his positions I find to be unbelievably naive to the point where I think the guy is just flat out lying. I think he may be a better candidate in 4 years or 8 years after serving some time in the Senate and learning the ropes.
I think a couple of your points above are main reasons why I wouldn't vote for her.
As far as experience, does 4 more years as a senator make her that much more ready? And sorry, I'm not crediting her with time spent as a first lady... Most of her claims like negotiation open borders for refugees have been grossly exaggerated, and while she was probably more involved than other first ladies, it's not like she sat in on cabinet or national security meetings or anything like that. And she lost a lot of respect from me on her one big issue of addressing health care (which I admired) when she dropped it and later starting taking a SHITLOAD of money from the health insurance industry as a senator. And she is trying to have it both ways on those 8 years... she takes credit for good things her husband did, and distances herself from the bad.
And the thought of her bringing a lot of experienced people with her to the White House makes me cringe. While I'm realistic enough to understand that Obama won't change our entire government during his presidency, her bringing in the same old washington insiders to the table just tells me that nothing will really change at all... The special interests and the shady people from the past will renew their same connections to the White House as they had in the 90's.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Vince Foster's untimely death has always been a bullshit cover-up by the MSM.
From the way the gun was positioned, to the suicide note being "found" by the Clinton team after claiming the briefcase containing it was empty the day before...combine that with his waist deep involvement in Whitewater and surrounding scandals and ask yourself how can anyone NOT be suspicious of this farce?
What? Everyone knows he has a couple of books that pretty much lay his whole trip out there for all to see. I don't get this argument.
Are you willfully ignorant of the subject or haven't you the time?
Don't you know this Rove/Clinton line of attack by now? If you refuse to actually spend a few minutes to research anything, you can repeatedly spout off about the other guy not having a plan.
While Kerry had his own many shortcomings as a candidate, it would irritate the hell out of me when he would give a 30 minute stump speech talking about what he would do about an issue, and then all night on the cable news stations, Bush surrogates would repeat the same talking point over and over that Kerry didn't have a plan on the issue that he talked about all day.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
What? Everyone knows he has a couple of books that pretty much lay his whole trip out there for all to see. I don't get this argument.
Are you willfully ignorant of the subject or haven't you the time?
Everyone running for national office has self serving book out there. Its part of the game. Lets not forget whats in those books. Coke, Weed, Booze. So he outed himself. Great. Still doesn't mean it wont be fodder for the Republicans.
Vince Foster's untimely death has always been a bullshit cover-up by the MSM.
From the way the gun was positioned, to the suicide note being "found" by the Clinton team after claiming the briefcase containing it was empty the day before...combine that with his waist deep involvement in Whitewater and surrounding scandals and ask yourself how can anyone NOT be suspicious of this farce?
Oh look,
another conspiracy theorist.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Vince Foster's untimely death has always been a bullshit cover-up by the MSM.
From the way the gun was positioned, to the suicide note being "found" by the Clinton team after claiming the briefcase containing it was empty the day before...combine that with his waist deep involvement in Whitewater and surrounding scandals and ask yourself how can anyone NOT be suspicious of this farce?
It was obviously a suicide.
I mean, according to Snopes, if it was a murder, then how do explain why the suicide victims fingerprints weren't on the gun? You really think the murderes would have forgotten to put his prints on the gun? Obviously suicides involve you killing yourself by pulling the trigger with your toes.
Or lets take the suicide note, clearly it is not a conspiracy, because if it was, how come the suicide note (again, according to Snopes) was written in multiple different handwritings? Every one knows when you kill yourself you write your note in different handwritings just to fuck with people, but again, no murderer would be that stupid.
You want more proof it wasn't a murder conspiracy?
I suggest you check out the Snopes article.
Everyone knows Snopes is WAY more reliable than ANY site mentioning anything that the mainstream media doesn't back up 100%.
:rolleyes:
Besides,
from the article you linked,
the following quotes clearly show how stupid and biased it is:
6. The FBI lab found two fingerprints underneath the removable hand grips. These prints did not belong to Foster. No effort was made to identify these prints through the FBI's computerized data bank. (The FBI did try to find samples of prints belonging to Foster's father.)
7. The gun was made up of parts from at least two guns. Consider that professional killers often use guns made from several guns to make them untraceable. These are known as "drop guns."
So we're supposed to just believe the FBI didn't run those prints? Or think that a gun made up of 2 or 3 different guns reassembled is somehow untraceable?
Nice try fins. Nice try. Way to distort reality.
28. No skull fragments were found at the scene, even though a .38 fired into the mouth normally inflicts severe damage as the slug blows out the back of the brain case. Park Police officer John Rolla observed, "There was no blowout. There weren't brains running all over the place. . . I initially thought the bullet might still be in his head."
And this is just pure fucking speculation! Come on, Fins:
37. A tow truck driver says he was sent to the Ft. Marcy Park to remove a car on the evening of Foster's death. He says the driver's window was broken, and there was blood on the dash and seats. No in-depth investigation of this odd story has ever been done by the FBI or Park Police. Did the premature suicide conclusion block another obvious path of investigation?
Why don't you stop wasting peoples time with all this conspiracy bullshit?
Besides this is old news anyhow.
We should be more focused on how to keep us in the war with Iraq but telling the people we are getting out of it.
Lets also spend more effort pretending to have discussions with Iran, when the real plan is to bomb them in to submission.
Ok?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
"I think very highly of Hillary. The more I get to know her, the more I admire her. I think she's one of the most disciplined people I know. She's one of the toughest. She's got an extraordinary intelligence, and she's somebody who's in this stuff for the right reasons. She's passionate about moving the country forward on issues like health care and children." -- Barack Obama
Yuck...the more I know her, the more I can't stand thinking of her in office.
It seems to me the same information available to all of us is also available to Obama. He knows what Clinton is and yet he doesn't speak out about it but rather he gives her praise. I can undertsand being a nice guy but compliment Hillary without speaking out, about what I'm sure he must know, in order to keep the american people informed is not honorable to me. I feel the Democratic party is mostly based on keeping their party power rather than taking a stand for what's right. They're more than happy with keeping the public in the dark about their shady dealings.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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Living in Chicago and hearing the details of the Rezko shit everyday I am sure that nothing new will come out about Obama in the trail that has not already came out or that he has already admitted to......
Our governor on the other hand might go down......
The Clintons on the other hand of hands still don't admit to anything and have a lot of shady business dealings.... did you ever wonder where Hillary got the $5 million that she and Billy injected into her campaign after super tuesday? Must be nice to have extra 5 million laying around just in case, I would like her to be as honest about where she got that money as Obama has been about his Rezko dealings....
And you're not leaving here without me, I don't wanna be without
My best... friend. Wake up, to see you could have it all
I think a couple of your points above are main reasons why I wouldn't vote for her.
As far as experience, does 4 more years as a senator make her that much more ready? And sorry, I'm not crediting her with time spent as a first lady... Most of her claims like negotiation open borders for refugees have been grossly exaggerated, and while she was probably more involved than other first ladies, it's not like she sat in on cabinet or national security meetings or anything like that. And she lost a lot of respect from me on her one big issue of addressing health care (which I admired) when she dropped it and later starting taking a SHITLOAD of money from the health insurance industry as a senator. And she is trying to have it both ways on those 8 years... she takes credit for good things her husband did, and distances herself from the bad.
And the thought of her bringing a lot of experienced people with her to the White House makes me cringe. While I'm realistic enough to understand that Obama won't change our entire government during his presidency, her bringing in the same old washington insiders to the table just tells me that nothing will really change at all... The special interests and the shady people from the past will renew their same connections to the White House as they had in the 90's.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
From the way the gun was positioned, to the suicide note being "found" by the Clinton team after claiming the briefcase containing it was empty the day before...combine that with his waist deep involvement in Whitewater and surrounding scandals and ask yourself how can anyone NOT be suspicious of this farce?
What? Everyone knows he has a couple of books that pretty much lay his whole trip out there for all to see. I don't get this argument.
Are you willfully ignorant of the subject or haven't you the time?
Don't you know this Rove/Clinton line of attack by now? If you refuse to actually spend a few minutes to research anything, you can repeatedly spout off about the other guy not having a plan.
While Kerry had his own many shortcomings as a candidate, it would irritate the hell out of me when he would give a 30 minute stump speech talking about what he would do about an issue, and then all night on the cable news stations, Bush surrogates would repeat the same talking point over and over that Kerry didn't have a plan on the issue that he talked about all day.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Everyone running for national office has self serving book out there. Its part of the game. Lets not forget whats in those books. Coke, Weed, Booze. So he outed himself. Great. Still doesn't mean it wont be fodder for the Republicans.
Oh look,
another conspiracy theorist.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I know, cuz this board has a serious lack of them ey
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37f933db2467.htm
Posting a link from a biased site concerning a conspiracy?! I wonder where all the nut job and crazy remarks are?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Nice try Fins.
But didn't you read the Snopes?
Clearly not a "conspiracy".
It was obviously a suicide.
I mean, according to Snopes, if it was a murder, then how do explain why the suicide victims fingerprints weren't on the gun? You really think the murderes would have forgotten to put his prints on the gun? Obviously suicides involve you killing yourself by pulling the trigger with your toes.
Or lets take the suicide note, clearly it is not a conspiracy, because if it was, how come the suicide note (again, according to Snopes) was written in multiple different handwritings? Every one knows when you kill yourself you write your note in different handwritings just to fuck with people, but again, no murderer would be that stupid.
You want more proof it wasn't a murder conspiracy?
I suggest you check out the Snopes article.
Everyone knows Snopes is WAY more reliable than ANY site mentioning anything that the mainstream media doesn't back up 100%.
:rolleyes:
Besides,
from the article you linked,
the following quotes clearly show how stupid and biased it is:
So we're supposed to just believe the FBI didn't run those prints? Or think that a gun made up of 2 or 3 different guns reassembled is somehow untraceable?
Nice try fins. Nice try. Way to distort reality.
Oh or this:
Yeah right.
I call bullshit.
And this police officer is clearly lying, because he probably hates the clintons, and you know it:
And this is just pure fucking speculation! Come on, Fins:
Why don't you stop wasting peoples time with all this conspiracy bullshit?
Besides this is old news anyhow.
We should be more focused on how to keep us in the war with Iraq but telling the people we are getting out of it.
Lets also spend more effort pretending to have discussions with Iran, when the real plan is to bomb them in to submission.
Ok?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Bait?
Fins its all true, imho.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Yuck...the more I know her, the more I can't stand thinking of her in office.
It seems to me the same information available to all of us is also available to Obama. He knows what Clinton is and yet he doesn't speak out about it but rather he gives her praise. I can undertsand being a nice guy but compliment Hillary without speaking out, about what I'm sure he must know, in order to keep the american people informed is not honorable to me. I feel the Democratic party is mostly based on keeping their party power rather than taking a stand for what's right. They're more than happy with keeping the public in the dark about their shady dealings.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde