Convince me - why vote for Hillary?
inmytree
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I'm serious....I asked this in another thread, but got no response...so I figured I'd give this question it's own thread...
can someone give me some good, valid, clear reasons to vote for Hillary...what are her positives...?
please, though, if you're going to say she's a "fighter", please expound on that point...
can someone give me some good, valid, clear reasons to vote for Hillary...what are her positives...?
please, though, if you're going to say she's a "fighter", please expound on that point...
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and not just positives, but positives that outweigh her negatives, namely her divisiveness.
Vote for Hillary, help bankrupt America, sell it to the special interests and the foreigners. Start the fire sale now. Push for world government. Increase "Free" Trade programs, continue the warmongering, assault on personal liberties, transfer of power to the executive, and generaly keep the status-quo going full on, kevins mom.
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
Vince Foster: What the Media Won’t Tell You
Bill and Hillary Clinton's Criminal Background
With Hillary Clinton’s knowledge, her brothers Anthony and Hugh jaunted into the highly politically charged former Soviet Republic of Georgia last month in pursuit of a $118 million moneymaking scheme involving close associates of Russian mafia boss Grigory Loutchansky - and the Chairman of the Republican National Committee is demanding to know how much the First Lady knew about it.
47 Different Deaths! All Friends of Bill and Hilary Clinton
You MAY want to check some of that out before you go thinking of EITHER of the Clintons as stand up folks.
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Here is some great Anti Hillary Propaganda
an hour long about the Clintons and COCAINE smuggling
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I'd be willing to bet this isn't true at all ...
for the least they could possibly do
hopefully a Hillary supporter will chime in...
I'd love to hear something other than "she's a fighter, who'll be ready on day one"....whatever that means....
Well, i hear Bill is a biter!
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If I opened it now would you not understand?
Because only someone that annoying, that bossy, that unpleasant, that shrill will be able to get the special interests to say enough already just give her what she wants so we don't have to deal with that awful woman anymore.
i guess you can vote for her because she's not a murderer.
At least hil has always been very politically active (even in her youth) She seems like she generally cares for this place.. and the people in it..
Vote for hil because she has more expirence than any of the other candidates.. vote hill cuz bitch is the new black, ya'll
other than that... I got NOTHIN.
I consider myself a huge fan of gender equality so that's on the record but she embodies about every negative quality one could describe in a woman.
Think of the worst person you've ever dated/ married, multiply it by 10 million..... understand why Bill strayed. as some great comedians have said... oh I don't agree with it... but I understand.
I've heard of staying together for the kids... but staying toegther for the politics?
Oh really?
I'm not saying it is definately true, but based on the SNOPES (snopes eats dog shit, by the way) article posted by MrSmith, there isn't much to disprove it.
Here, let me write for you (since snopes sucks dick and wont let you cut and paste) what the best they have to "explain away" the Vince Foster "suicide" is,
from snopes:
If Foster had been murdered or if unanswered questions about his death remained, Starr would have been the last person to want to conclude the investigation prematurely. [oh really, why? he couldn't even find anything wrong with clinton shoving a cigar up an intern's cooter in the oval office!] Or are we to believe Starr is part of the cover up, too? [any proof he isn't?] And if we buy into the conspiracy theory, what are we expected to believe? [that the couple who knew and was involved in smuggling MASSIVE amounts of cocaine in to Mena airport may have hired someone shady to whack a political liability? not too far fetched for me, but hey] That a group of professional killers capable of carrying out dozens of murders all over the world shot Vince Foster [how bout just a bunch of unconnected hired thugs], then clumsily dumped him in a park (after he bled out) [how else did he get there, since there was no dirt or grass on his shoes?], planted a gun he didn't own in his hand (without botherin to press his fingerprints onto it) [EXACTLY! Whose fucking point is this idiot proving, anyhow?], amateursihly forged a suicide note (in several different handwritings) [UM. HELLO? SEVERAL DIFFERENT HANDWRITINGS? ???], then expected the nation would belive it was a suicide?
[Well obviously I don't fucking believe it, but the Media sure as hell didn't do dick to investigate, they practicaly whitewashed it, sheesh] ...
and does anyone not wonder why Hillary claims she was on the west coast and flew back to DC immediately to deal with the death of her dear friend Vince, but records show she actualy flew immediately back to ARKANSAS?
???
And why would Clinton attorneys break into his office and steal off with box loads of records before authorities could get there?
And why was the note written in several different handwritings according to Snopes itself. And there were no finger prints on the gun, according to snopes itself?
And according to the FBI the body found hundreds of yards deep in a park had NO grass or dirt (not even small traces) on the shoes? So what he fucking flew in to the park ???
I mean COME ON PEOPLE.
Again, i am NOT saying i 100% believe it was a murder, but you people will swallow anything if you swallow SHIT LIKE THIS as PROOF that something fishy did NOT happen.
WHAT in here is proof of anything?
Most of this entire snopes article is this bad or worse.
Here is a murder "debunked" that is just pathetic:
16. Paula Grober - Clinton's interpreter for the deaf. Traveled with clinton from 1978 until her death in 1992 in a one-car accident. There were no witnesses.
Explanation: The accident took place during the afternoon of 7 December 1992. Gober's car overturned at a curve in the highway, throwing her 33 feet from the vehicle. No one witnessed the accident.
Me: Huh. Well that proves it. No murder there. No witness, no murder, huh? Whose to say a car didn't run her off the road or cut her off?
I mean COME ON.
Again, NOT saying it was a murder, but how the fuck does this Snopes bullshit prove anything different?
People need to keep more of an open mind, especialy when dealing with people who are PROVEN TO BE AMORAL.
HOW MANY AFFAIRS IS BILL CLINTON KNOWN TO HAVE HAD? How many SCANDALS are they KNOWN to be involved in?
RUNNING COCAINE FOR THE GODDAMN CIA?
Clinton was the fucking govenor of the state and he DAMN WELL KNEW!
DAMN WELL!
So why would you NOT hold it as a possibility that they could "whack" someone?
Please.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
besides outright debunking the vast majority of the supposed murders or at least proving Clinton had absolutely no motive, none of which you mentioned, One of the main points of the article is to attack the way the conspiracy bullshit was written. For instance, just reading the Hitlist, you would never no she died on a curve in a highway. And what the fuck is this "no one witnessed the incident"? why is shit like that included, but so many other details of these deaths are not? The Clintons or whoever were just tailing her until they found a perfect spot to run her off the road? What hitman uses this modus operandi? Why would they feel the need to kill their fucking interpreter for the deaf? Are you really that blind? Do you not see that writing this way is an attempt to persuade and lie to you?
and apparently, the Clintons are masterminds at killing people in airplanes.
open your mind.
Of course snopes is bullshit to you. I can imagine its your archenemy in your fairy tale land. Just admit it, for all your conspiracy bullshit this Clinton hitlist one doesn't hold up to anyone with a brain.
it might be true that one guy i know was killed by crazed Clintons who ran him into a bridge 10 years ago (again, no witnesses, thus it must have been a CLinton.). It may also be true that he died without Clinton involvement. By your logic I have to treat both possibilities with equal chances of being true.
http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/ClockworkHillary_500.jpg
Iraq? Oh hehe lookie!....(bait...switch) Iran is bad too!....teehee
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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Is this a joke?
You've never heard of the old "run em off the road" murder? Its an MO that has been used more than a few times in history.
As for the rest of your arguments, of COURSE the "conspiracy theorists" are going to paint their articles in the most insinuating light. Just as people allegedly covering up the story will do the same for their side.
How come you aren't getting at the Vince Foster allegations? That is the one i take the most stock in.
I have no idea how many (if any) of the people on those lists are valid murders.
I do know that Vince Foster is fishy shit.
I certainly know that Bill and Hillary had intimate knowledge and involvement in cocaine smuggling operations of the CIA "Iran\Contra Scandal" operation out of Mena Airport, and we ALL know that Bill is a repeat adulterer.
Repeated amoral sexual behavior and contribution to massive felony cocaine smuggling along with a handfull of other scandals and then you have things like Vince Foster.
I'm not about to sit down and personaly investigate 30-40 different alleged murders that the clintons may or may not have been involved in. I posted this shit so people could look for themselves and keep an open fucking mind.
I think it is pretty sad that you can't even acknowlege that there is some truth here.
Will you even acknowledge that they are pretty well established as being involved with Mena Airport & Iran Contra?
Is that not enough to convince you that neither of them should have made good choices for the Oval Office?
And what about the finger prints (lack there of), the handwriting on the note, the shoes with no dirt, the raid of the office ... all that stuff?
Anything?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
There is also a huge difference between amoral sexual behavior and murder. So what if Clinton is an adulterer? what does that have to do with anything? Even if they are involved in drug deals, thats still ten steps from murder.
Do i think the Clintons are shady motherfuckers who have probably gotten away with all kinds of crime? Fuck yeah i do, but that doesn't mean I have to give every negative thing i read about them the benefit of the doubt. I try to be as objective as possible, not cling to every article that takes my side, no matter how lacking in credibility.
I was never convinced about the Foster thing either, but before I go off accusing people of murder, i"ll have shit to back it up.
You say you are keeping an open mind, yet you have no cynicism except when it comes to the "official story". Then you are loaded with cynicism. You are as fair and balanced as Bill O'reilly.
if you think the Vince Foster thing is shady, fine. post some Foster shit, then. Dont post a retarded article with no validity just because its more sensational and gets more attention.
She has a health care plan....
oh wait so does Obama
becuase
she has a plan for a path to immigration
oh wait so does Obama
because
she will end the war (maybe)
oh wait so will Obama
because
she will fix the tax codes
oh wait so will Obama
Ahhhhhhh fuck it
Vote for Obama if for nothing else because he is not a Clinton
google that.
http://www.myspace.com/brain_of_c
The majority of voters will vote for anyone BUT her. And that's precisely the reason Rush, Ann Coulter and fellow conservative Republicans pushed their listeners to vote for her in the Texas primaries. It's because if she wins that Democratic ticket, it's a shoe-in win for McCain. Obama makes Republicans nervous because they know, that he has a good shot at winning it all.
I don't mean to be cocky at all about this, but you watch and see for yourself. It IS going to end up this way if Obama doesn't win the Dem ticket. Which I have a good feeling he will.
The other thing she has is incredible energy and fortitude. Sixteen years of Republican shenanigans, and she's a viable presidential contender--despite years of shit thrown at her. That is impressive to me. That woman has more guts in her little finger than boatloads of people have in their whole bodies. A vote for Clinton is a vote for a fighter that won't quit no matter what is said designed to get her do what specific interests want. She's not afraid. I admire that; I even envy that. I don't have the "what it takes" she does. I don't think many people do. Not many people could take what she's taken and be left standing, no less up and fighting.
Here's a reasonably decent article about the two of them, relative strengths and weaknesses:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/08/ST2008030800051.html
My biggest fear about Obama is that some scandal will come out of nowhere to rock his boat. He's relatively untested...if there's something, and the Republicans know it, my guess is their strategy will be to wait until he's the nominee and then spring it a few weeks prior to the elections. This could be catastrophic if it's anything at all in a tight election, since he would have no time to recover from it. By then, the Democrats will have torn each other to shreds over Pepsi and Coke on top of it. The Republicans could be in for a big party, really, if they play their cards right. On the other hand, what new stuff could the Republicans have on Clinton after 16 years of looking under and planting many rocks?
People like you I don't get.. I just don't. The Clintons have been lining their pockets since the beginning of their political careers, it is plain as day. Hillary is a fucking crook, Obama and Hillary are not the same. Lets not forget the tactics she has resulted to over the past few weeks. Seriously... the Clintons are awful people that only have their own self interests at hand. Wake up...
Well, I can't really convince you. I don't like her and I don't trust her. If it comes to her and McCain, however, I would vote for her. Two words: health care.
Just because you consider yourself to be something doesn't mean you are. You're calling a woman a little girl to belittle her and saying she's so horrible she deserves to be cheated on. Be honest with yourself and us. You do not appear to be any fan of gender equality.
Clinton is a politician, as is Obama. I hope you are not the person waking up at some point, maybe soon, since the potentially embarrassing Rezko trial's about to get under way. It could turn out your candidate has done some pocket lining himself. Maybe some little string pulling. Wouldn't that be novel? A politician lining their pockets?
Obama and Clinton are the same. Obama has resorted to a few tactics over the last few weeks himself. And I thought he was so much better than she. He hasn't shown me he's any different. He talks a good game, but plays the same old one. Which, to be quite honest, is why I think he'd wouldn't be such a bad president. It's a skill to get people to think Pepsi and Coke are radically different with radical differences to those who chose them. Got to give the man credit where it is due. And here it is undeniably due. Hope and dreams and good lines are the bottled water marketing dreams of politics. Bill Clinton used the same thing to win himself the presidency, so the formulation is hardly even original. Obama's campaign is so recycled that he is not only the same as Hillary Clinton politically, but he's lifted her husband's campaign. He's not even different in that light.
Jesus Christ... Rezko? You are still hung up on that shit? If you aren't even going to look at what the Clintons have been doing their whole career and realize the Rezko case is a drop in the bucket in comparison you aren't worth my time...
Here's just a taste for you...
http://www.hillcap.org/default.php?page_id=2
WAKE UP!