questions for those who think global warming is a myth...

farfromglorified

sourdough wrote:

How specfically are they trying to change your life? By passing regulation etc on pollution? We already have regulations. We cannot litter on the street, we cannot pour oil down the drain, we cannot do many things that we want to do or may have been free to do in the past. Am I missing your point?

No, you're not missing my point. You've pinpointed it exactly. There are those who tell you what not to do, and there are those who give you better things to do. I'm no fan of the former. I'm a huge fan of the latter.

sonicreducer

inmytree wrote:

pick up a cheap diesel...older vw's are out there and many are fixing them up and selling them at a reasonable price (and some aren't)...

diesel is now cleaner, and you can also run it on biodiesel with little or no modification...

with some modification you can run it on waste veggie oil...

another thing i should look into this summer,... my gf has a VW. that thing is purty and it flies. gotta love the turbo charger,...

her mom is a (here comes the flame) GM for a McD's,... she has a shit ton of used oil,...

inmytree

farfromglorified wrote:

Yes. Honda's been working on fuel cell stacks for a lot longer than grant-sucking scientists have been trying to scare the shit out of me about global warming.

sure...I'm aware fuel cells have been around for some time, however, I'm guess the push for making this technology more mainstream and affordable his recent. I mean, where can I purchase a car with fuel cell technology...?

farfromglorified wrote:

Hehe...so I guess Christian Friedrich Schönbein and Otto Hahn had time machines?

oh, now you embrace the grant-sucking scientists....;)

inmytree

sonicreducer wrote:

another thing i should look into this summer,... my gf has a VW. that thing is purty and it flies. gotta love the turbo charger,...

her mom is a (here comes the flame) GM for a McD's,... she has a shit ton of used oil,...

nice...

there are many companies that sell bolt-on systems for waste veggie oil...you're girlfriend could drive around for pennies...

and spend the extra dough on you...

farfromglorified

inmytree wrote:

sure...I'm aware fuel cells have been around for some time, however, I'm guess the push for making this technology more mainstream and affordable his recent. I mean, where can I purchase a car with fuel cell technology...?

Right now, you really can't. Honda produces a handful each year, but good luck tring to get one. Some goes for Ford, I believe.

Honda's planning a limited production run of the new FCX late this year/next year. I'm currently trying my hardest to get one of those suckers -- the folks at Honda corporate are getting pissed at me and I may have to learn Japanese, but I am going to figure out how to get one.

Your own suggestion about biodiesel is also a good one, at least in the short term.

oh, now you embrace the grant-sucking scientists....;)

Hehe...I'm not sure how many grants Schönbein got, probably none. Hahn, on the other hand, probably fits the bill.

I really don't have a perception about "grant-sucking" scientists. I said that more to be controversial than anything else. There are some wonderful scientists doing amazing work on grants.

sonicreducer

inmytree wrote:

nice...

there are many companies that sell bolt-on systems for waste veggie oil...you're girlfriend could drive around for pennies...

and spend the extra dough on you...

well if that isn't a win win situation,...

inmytree

farfromglorified wrote:

Right now, you really can't. Honda produces a handful each year, but good luck tring to get one. Some goes for Ford, I believe.

Honda's planning a limited production run of the new FCX late this year/next year. I'm currently trying my hardest to get one of those suckers -- the folks at Honda corporate are getting pissed at me and I may have to learn Japanese, but I am going to figure out how to get one.

yeah, that's my point, honda, ford, and others would not even be pushing this as hard as they are without the "need"...

farfromglorified wrote:

Your own suggestion about biodiesel is also a good one, at least in the short term.

yeah, I like it...I'm researching two things now. 1) making my own biodiesel 2) setting my car up to run on grease. I have a 82 diesel rabbit sitting in my driveway, not running at this time, but I may, if I don't part it out for cash, fix it up to run on straight veggie oil...

farfromglorified wrote:

Hehe...I'm not sure how many grants Schönbein got, probably none. Hahn, on the other hand, probably fits the bill.

I really don't have a perception about "grant-sucking" scientists. I said that more to be controversial than anything else. There are some wonderful scientists doing amazing work on grants.

HANKTHELANK

global warming is not a myth, but man's influence might be. Global Warming is being used to administer taxation over all the developed countries. It's part of the whole Globalization plan by the establishment. All you have to do is ask yourself why are politicians suddenly so worried about the environment(not just Gore, find out what Gorbachev is up to now) Don't believe me, read the Iron Mountain report. Don't belive that, then there isn't much hope, is there?

inmytree

sonicreducer wrote:

well if that isn't a win win situation,...

get started....

http://www.greasecar.com/index.cfm

http://www.independentbiofuels.com/

inmytree

HANKTHELANK wrote:

global warming is not a myth, but man's influence might be. Global Warming is being used to administer taxation over all the developed countries. It's part of the whole Globalization plan by the establishment. All you have to do is ask yourself why are politicians suddenly so worried about the environment(not just Gore, find out what Gorbachev is up to now) Don't believe me, read the Iron Mountain report. Don't belive that, then there isn't much hope, is there?

so, you're only worried about taxation when it comes to this subject, but your ok with other taxation...?

don't get me wrong, while label me as a liberal tree-hugger, I think taxes suck and would like to see less...

farfromglorified

inmytree wrote:

yeah, that's my point, honda, ford, and others would not even be pushing this as hard as they are without the "need"...

The need really has nothing to do with Global Warming, at least not directly. The need is that people don't like buying gas, and it won't be around forever anyway.

Automakers have long looked for alternate fuel sources. The market really isn't there yet, however. The Al Gores of the world do help encourage the market and the producers will follow the market, and that's a good thing.

yeah, I like it...I'm researching two things now. 1) making my own biodiesel 2) setting my car up to run on grease. I have a 82 diesel rabbit sitting in my driveway, not running at this time, but I may, if I don't part it out for cash, fix it up to run on straight veggie oil...

Cool.

HANKTHELANK

inmytree wrote:

so, you're only worried about taxation when it comes to this subject, but your ok with other taxation...?

don't get me wrong, while label me as a liberal tree-hugger, I think taxes suck and would like to see less...

taxation is a necessity. We need services. So I am ok with some forms of taxation, not all. What i am most worried about is countries loosing sovereignty. What will a global tax on a problem that we do not understand accomplish? Nothing!! Try to find reports on the temperature increase on other planets. If you can find this suppressed information, then you will find your answer about global warming!!

inmytree

HANKTHELANK wrote:

taxation is a necessity. We need services. So I am ok with some forms of taxation, not all. What i am most worried about is countries loosing sovereignty. What will a global tax on a problem that we do not understand accomplish? Nothing!! Try to find reports on the temperature increase on other planets. If you can find this suppressed information, then you will find your answer about global warming!!

sounds good...