questions for those who think global warming is a myth...

inmytree

why do you fight the concept...? what I mean is, if you don't believe, why do you care what Al Gore or anyone else is saying...? why not keep living how you are living...?

farfromglorified

I don't think global warming is a myth. But I'll fight anyone's attempt to change my life without my approval, if that's what you're driving at.

PJPOWER

Because of Manbearpig.........

edit: "I'm totally cereal"

inmytree

farfromglorified wrote:

I don't think global warming is a myth. But I'll fight anyone's attempt to change my life without my approval, if that's what you're driving at.

how are they attempting to change your life...?

farfromglorified

inmytree wrote:

how are they attempting to change your life...?

You tell me: what's the solution to global warming?

inmytree

farfromglorified wrote:

You tell me: what's the solution to global warming?

so, "they" really aren't trying to change your life...?

sonicreducer

farfromglorified wrote:

You tell me: what's the solution to global warming?

exactly,... everyone is wasting their time on the debate about how to fix something we don't understand fully. anybody who says man hasn't adversely effected the environment is a fucking idiot, but we don't know exactly what to do about climate change. the media, Al Gore, and every scientist in the world should be trying to educate the masses on how to conserve and find alternative fuel sources. stop polluting, stop wasting,... that is the first step

farfromglorified

inmytree wrote:

so, "they" really aren't trying to change your life...?

I think "they" are. My question is, are you?

farfromglorified

sonicreducer wrote:

exactly,... everyone is wasting their time on the debate about how to fix something we don't understand fully. anybody who says man hasn't adversely effected the environment is a fucking idiot, but we don't know exactly what to do about climate change. the media, Al Gore, and every scientist in the world should be trying to educate the masses on how to conserve and find alternative fuel sources. stop polluting, stop wasting,... that is the first step

Very well done. And no, we don't need the media or Al Gore or grant-sucking scientists. We just need people like this:

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/11/15/honda-fcx-concept-fuel-cell-car-pt-1-the-new-fuel-cell-stack/

sonicreducer

farfromglorified wrote:

Very well done. And no, we don't need the media or Al Gore or grant-sucking scientists. We just need people like this:

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/11/15/honda-fcx-concept-fuel-cell-car-pt-1-the-new-fuel-cell-stack/

i still have so much to learn about these technologies. i've debated on whether to have a new car payment on some type of hybrid. im still in college, but my truck is paid off. i don't know,... maybe this summer when i have time to explore more

Jeanwah

sonicreducer wrote:

stop polluting, stop wasting,... that is the first step

This IS the first step. FarFrom..., how is being aware of what you're contributing to our environment in a negative way changing your life? How about being more realistic that our planet isn't for our disposal? That doesn't necessarily change one's life, it's just about being more aware.

inmytree

farfromglorified wrote:

I think "they" are. My question is, are you?

I'm not trying to change your lifestyle, my friend..I'm making changes for me and how I live, if that makes sense...

farfromglorified

sonicreducer wrote:

i still have so much to learn about these technologies. i've debated on whether to have a new car payment on some type of hybrid. im still in college, but my truck is paid off. i don't know,... maybe this summer when i have time to explore more

A hybrid is a great start. The hybrid Civic honda released this year is a great vehicle, as is the Prius.

farfromglorified

inmytree wrote:

I'm not trying to change your lifestyle, my friend..I'm making changes for me and how I live, if that makes sense...

That makes a ton of sense.

farfromglorified

Jeanwah wrote:

This IS the first step. FarFrom..., how is being aware of what you're contributing to our environment in a negative way changing your life? How about being more realistic that our planet isn't for our disposal? That doesn't necessarily change one's life, it's just about being more aware.

Awareness is wonderful. I have absolutely no problem with awareness. Being aware doesn't change your life, at least not in the sense I meant above. It enhances your life, and that's always a good thing.

inmytree

farfromglorified wrote:

Very well done. And no, we don't need the media or Al Gore or grant-sucking scientists. We just need people like this:

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/11/15/honda-fcx-concept-fuel-cell-car-pt-1-the-new-fuel-cell-stack/

question: would honda have spent money on developing this concept car if the grant-sucking scientists did not do there work...?

I understand your point, you're a "private business for everything" type of fella, which is not an insult...I'm just thinking honda wouldn't be the addressing the problem if there where no problem...

sonicreducer

farfromglorified wrote:

Awareness is wonderful. I have absolutely no problem with awareness. Being aware doesn't change your life, at least not in the sense I meant above. It enhances your life, and that's always a good thing.

are you basically attacking the idea of the 'scare tactics'? like, people saying we have to change drastically or the world will end, but they have a secret agenda type thing?

inmytree

sonicreducer wrote:

i still have so much to learn about these technologies. i've debated on whether to have a new car payment on some type of hybrid. im still in college, but my truck is paid off. i don't know,... maybe this summer when i have time to explore more

pick up a cheap diesel...older vw's are out there and many are fixing them up and selling them at a reasonable price (and some aren't)...

diesel is now cleaner, and you can also run it on biodiesel with little or no modification...

with some modification you can run it on waste veggie oil...

farfromglorified

sonicreducer wrote:

are you basically attacking the idea of the 'scare tactics'? like, people saying we have to change drastically or the world will end, but they have a secret agenda type thing?

Of course.

farfromglorified

inmytree wrote:

question: would honda have spent money on developing this concept car if the grant-sucking scientists did not do there work...?

Yes. Honda's been working on fuel cell stacks for a lot longer than grant-sucking scientists have been trying to scare the shit out of me about global warming.

I understand your point, you're a "private business for everything" type of fella, which is not an insult...I'm just thinking honda wouldn't be the addressing the problem if there where no problem...

Hehe...so I guess Christian Friedrich Schönbein and Otto Hahn had time machines?

sourdough

farfromglorified wrote:

I don't think global warming is a myth. But I'll fight anyone's attempt to change my life without my approval, if that's what you're driving at.

How specfically are they trying to change your life? By passing regulation etc on pollution? We already have regulations. We cannot litter on the street, we cannot pour oil down the drain, we cannot do many things that we want to do or may have been free to do in the past. Am I missing your point?

farfromglorified

sourdough wrote:

How specfically are they trying to change your life? By passing regulation etc on pollution? We already have regulations. We cannot litter on the street, we cannot pour oil down the drain, we cannot do many things that we want to do or may have been free to do in the past. Am I missing your point?

No, you're not missing my point. You've pinpointed it exactly. There are those who tell you what not to do, and there are those who give you better things to do. I'm no fan of the former. I'm a huge fan of the latter.

sonicreducer

inmytree wrote:

pick up a cheap diesel...older vw's are out there and many are fixing them up and selling them at a reasonable price (and some aren't)...

diesel is now cleaner, and you can also run it on biodiesel with little or no modification...

with some modification you can run it on waste veggie oil...

another thing i should look into this summer,... my gf has a VW. that thing is purty and it flies. gotta love the turbo charger,...

her mom is a (here comes the flame) GM for a McD's,... she has a shit ton of used oil,...

inmytree

farfromglorified wrote:

Yes. Honda's been working on fuel cell stacks for a lot longer than grant-sucking scientists have been trying to scare the shit out of me about global warming.

sure...I'm aware fuel cells have been around for some time, however, I'm guess the push for making this technology more mainstream and affordable his recent. I mean, where can I purchase a car with fuel cell technology...?

farfromglorified wrote:

Hehe...so I guess Christian Friedrich Schönbein and Otto Hahn had time machines?

oh, now you embrace the grant-sucking scientists....;)

inmytree

sonicreducer wrote:

another thing i should look into this summer,... my gf has a VW. that thing is purty and it flies. gotta love the turbo charger,...

her mom is a (here comes the flame) GM for a McD's,... she has a shit ton of used oil,...

nice...

there are many companies that sell bolt-on systems for waste veggie oil...you're girlfriend could drive around for pennies...

and spend the extra dough on you...

farfromglorified

inmytree wrote:

sure...I'm aware fuel cells have been around for some time, however, I'm guess the push for making this technology more mainstream and affordable his recent. I mean, where can I purchase a car with fuel cell technology...?

Right now, you really can't. Honda produces a handful each year, but good luck tring to get one. Some goes for Ford, I believe.

Honda's planning a limited production run of the new FCX late this year/next year. I'm currently trying my hardest to get one of those suckers -- the folks at Honda corporate are getting pissed at me and I may have to learn Japanese, but I am going to figure out how to get one.

Your own suggestion about biodiesel is also a good one, at least in the short term.

oh, now you embrace the grant-sucking scientists....;)

Hehe...I'm not sure how many grants Schönbein got, probably none. Hahn, on the other hand, probably fits the bill.

I really don't have a perception about "grant-sucking" scientists. I said that more to be controversial than anything else. There are some wonderful scientists doing amazing work on grants.

sonicreducer

inmytree wrote:

nice...

there are many companies that sell bolt-on systems for waste veggie oil...you're girlfriend could drive around for pennies...

and spend the extra dough on you...

well if that isn't a win win situation,...

inmytree

farfromglorified wrote:

Right now, you really can't. Honda produces a handful each year, but good luck tring to get one. Some goes for Ford, I believe.

Honda's planning a limited production run of the new FCX late this year/next year. I'm currently trying my hardest to get one of those suckers -- the folks at Honda corporate are getting pissed at me and I may have to learn Japanese, but I am going to figure out how to get one.

yeah, that's my point, honda, ford, and others would not even be pushing this as hard as they are without the "need"...

farfromglorified wrote:

Your own suggestion about biodiesel is also a good one, at least in the short term.

yeah, I like it...I'm researching two things now. 1) making my own biodiesel 2) setting my car up to run on grease. I have a 82 diesel rabbit sitting in my driveway, not running at this time, but I may, if I don't part it out for cash, fix it up to run on straight veggie oil...

farfromglorified wrote:

Hehe...I'm not sure how many grants Schönbein got, probably none. Hahn, on the other hand, probably fits the bill.

I really don't have a perception about "grant-sucking" scientists. I said that more to be controversial than anything else. There are some wonderful scientists doing amazing work on grants.

HANKTHELANK

global warming is not a myth, but man's influence might be. Global Warming is being used to administer taxation over all the developed countries. It's part of the whole Globalization plan by the establishment. All you have to do is ask yourself why are politicians suddenly so worried about the environment(not just Gore, find out what Gorbachev is up to now) Don't believe me, read the Iron Mountain report. Don't belive that, then there isn't much hope, is there?

inmytree

sonicreducer wrote:

well if that isn't a win win situation,...

get started....

http://www.greasecar.com/index.cfm

http://www.independentbiofuels.com/

inmytree

HANKTHELANK wrote:

global warming is not a myth, but man's influence might be. Global Warming is being used to administer taxation over all the developed countries. It's part of the whole Globalization plan by the establishment. All you have to do is ask yourself why are politicians suddenly so worried about the environment(not just Gore, find out what Gorbachev is up to now) Don't believe me, read the Iron Mountain report. Don't belive that, then there isn't much hope, is there?

so, you're only worried about taxation when it comes to this subject, but your ok with other taxation...?

don't get me wrong, while label me as a liberal tree-hugger, I think taxes suck and would like to see less...