Vegan Couple Get Life Over Baby's Death

Pearl Jam and toast

chopitdown wrote:

please see post 3. and then the article...their malnourished 6-week-old baby boy, who was fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice....

further down read the statement from the prosecuters saying what's been quoted a half dozen times. It's not about the diet, a baby can survive on a vegan diet (though it can't be advisable..). The parents starved their child.
I dunno why we're nitpicking this anyway. Yes, the parents are idiots.

Thanks crazy mary

chopitdown

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

I dunno why we're nitpicking this anyway.

b/c we can

brain of c

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

Hopefully they won't reproduce in prison.

yeah. prison food is worse than hospital food.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

brain of c wrote:

yeah. prison food is worse than hospital food.

When are you getting out?

Cosmo

It could have been worse... they could have eaten the baby.

brain of c

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

When are you getting out?

tonite.......

hsewif

Does anyone know what the baby weighed at birth? Was he ever taken to a Dr.?

3 1/2lbs is TINY but if his birth weight was 5 lbs, the parents probably didn't noticed the decrease in weight.

Maybe the parents really didn't know that anything was wrong and now they are going to rot in prison forever.

a very sad situation, all around...

_Crazy_Mary_

hsewif wrote:

Does anyone know what the baby weighed at birth? Was he ever taken to a Dr.?

3 1/2lbs is TINY but if his birth weight was 5 lbs, the parents probably didn't noticed the decrease in weight.

Maybe the parents really didn't know that anything was wrong and now they are going to rot in prison forever.

a very sad situation, all around...

true, maybe they didn't know anything was wrong, and even more reason for them to rot in jail where they can never have children.

hsewif

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

true, maybe they didn't know anything was wrong, and even more reason for them to rot in jail where they can never have children.

If I have a swimming pool and one of my kids drowns while I'm flipping a load of laundry, should my other kids be taken away and should I go to prison for life?

A stupid mistake is a stupid mistake. Why is one a tragic accident and this one is murder?

_Crazy_Mary_

hsewif wrote:

Why is one a tragic accident and this one is murder?

If you can't see the difference in those two scenarios I don't know what to tell you. Sorry.

hsewif

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

If you can't see the difference in those two scenarios I don't know what to tell you. Sorry.

well why don't you enlighten me and explain it? -or-

why is this situation obviously deserving of life-in-prison?

prism

hsewif wrote:

Does anyone know what the baby weighed at birth? Was he ever taken to a Dr.?

3 1/2lbs is TINY but if his birth weight was 5 lbs, the parents probably didn't noticed the decrease in weight.

Maybe the parents really didn't know that anything was wrong and now they are going to rot in prison forever.

a very sad situation, all around...

but the thing is with a baby that say was only 5 pounds at birth you can tell just by looking at them if they gain or lose even just a few ounces. one of my kids was 3lbs even and the other was 31/2 lbs. when she was born and everytime they lost or gained even an ounce or two you could tell by looking at them up until they were about 10 to 12lbs.

you can not tell me that these parents couldn't tell that their newborn was losing weight. and I certainly can't understand why this baby wasn't being breastfed....not to mention there's lots of different soy-based baby formulas they could have fed the kid that wouldn't have interfered with their vegan ways

momofglynn

Wow. The baby died on my little guy's birthday. Yeah so why not breast feed? My doctor asked me if I was a veggie or not, just to determine what the baby needed before I had him, after I had him, his 2 week appointment etc etc etc....How about talking to doctors clearly pointing out that you are vegans. This could had been avoided. It's just so sad.

Alex_Coe

chopitdown wrote:

i believe the sentence is mandatory for the offense, at least the article presents it that way. So the judges hands were tied.

Yes life is mandatory for those 4 offenses, but the judge only had to give them one: manslaughter. If he had so chosen, then he could have given them a lesser sentence, probably between 15-30 years.

drivingrl

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

Hopefully they won't reproduce in prison.

Seconded.

hsewif

prism wrote:

but the thing is with a baby that say was only 5 pounds at birth you can tell just by looking at them if they gain or lose even just a few ounces. one of my kids was 3lbs even and the other was 31/2 lbs. when she was born and everytime they lost or gained even an ounce or two you could tell by looking at them up until they were about 10 to 12lbs.

you can not tell me that these parents couldn't tell that their newborn was losing weight. and I certainly can't understand why this baby wasn't being breastfed....not to mention there's lots of different soy-based baby formulas they could have fed the kid that wouldn't have interfered with their vegan ways

I assume your ultra-tiny kids were in the hospital at birth? Most likely in intensive care? It doesn't surprise me that you would notice such a thing when your mind was in a "life or death" state. My brother was a premie (4 1/2lbs) and he had weight issues.... I couldn't tell when he had lost a pound because he was rediculously tiny to begin with.

Plenty of kids aren't breastfed and I don't see why that is an issue here. If the parents were feeding him a soy-based formula and thought that everything was fine and dandy... this was nothing more than a big "oops".

Of course it's horrible that a baby died but if they were doing what they truly thought was the right thing... I don't see why they should spend the rest of their lives in prison.

Has anyone looked for another article?

DOes anyone know if the parents had concerns and asked friends and relatives... maybe everyone said "oh, he's fine! all babies lose a little weight after birth". Which I believe is true...most babies actually lose a little weight.

One dumb-ass MSN article and most people say "lock them up and throw away the key". If they truly starved their kid, I agree. If they didn't, it's a shame that they are being locked up for life.

hsewif

momofglynn wrote:

Wow. The baby died on my little guy's birthday. Yeah so why not breast feed? My doctor asked me if I was a veggie or not, just to determine what the baby needed before I had him, after I had him, his 2 week appointment etc etc etc....How about talking to doctors clearly pointing out that you are vegans. This could had been avoided. It's just so sad.

we don't know what her pre-natal or post-natal care was.

_Crazy_Mary_

Well, the article said "soy milk and apple juice." I have to assume that's correct. Apple juice for an infant?! Soy milk? Soy milk and soy-based formula are two completely different things. That's where the issue of "why didn't she breastfeed?" comes up. If she had breastfed, the baby would have received all the nutrition it needed, even if it depleted the mother of hers. Maybe life in prison is an extreme sentence, but we weren't in the courtroom and don't know all the details.

prism

hsewif wrote:

I assume your ultra-tiny kids were in the hospital at birth? Most likely in intensive care? It doesn't surprise me that you would notice such a thing when your mind was in a "life and death" state. My brother was a premie (4 1/2lbs) and he had weight issues.... I couldn't tell when he had lost a pound because he was rediculously tiny to begin with.

Plenty of kids aren't breastfed and I don't see why that is an issue here. If the parents were feeding him a soy-based formula and thought that everything was fine and dandy... this was nothing more than a big "oops".

Of course it's horrible that a baby died but if they were doing what they truly thought was the right thing... I don't see why they should spend the rest of their lives in prison.

Has anyone looked for another article?

DOes anyone know if the parents had concerns and asked friends and relatives... maybe everyone said "oh, he's fine! all babies lose a little weight after birth". Which I believe is true...most babies actually lose a little weight.

One dumb-ass MSN article and most people say "lock them up and throw away the key". If they truly starved their kid, I agree. If they didn't, it's a shame that they are being locked up for life.

both of them came home from the NICU at 4 1/2 lbs and like i said i could tell by looking at them if they had gained or lost even an ounce or two up until they were about 10 to 12 lbs...it's called "paying attention your child"


but they weren't feeding him a soy-based fomula they were feeding him only soy-milk and apple juice...there's huge difference

yes every baby loses a few ounces of fluid weight in the first week or two...at six weeks a child should be gaining weight if not merely holding steady....they definately should not still be losing weight.

was this child ever even seen by a Doctor? if not that's definately neglect on the parents part

hsewif

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

Well, the article said "soy milk and apple juice." I have to assume that's correct. Apple juice for an infant?! Soy milk? Soy milk and soy-based formula are two completely different things. That's where the issue of "why didn't she breastfeed?" comes up. If she had breastfed, the baby would have received all the nutrition it needed, even if it depleted the mother of hers. Maybe life in prison is an extreme sentence, but we weren't in the courtroom and don't know all the details.

exactly, we don't know the details. My point all along.

and apple juice is nothing... my nana gave everyone Brandy at night. (and she also had a baby die at 6 weeks from possible malnutrition)

Maybe. Just maybe...if these parents could do it all over again, they would do it differently. ??? We'll never know...