(Good Irony) Proof that global warming not a problem!

OutOfBreath

The point is, people, that no single summer or winter or hurricane proves global warming. The reason they claim global warming exists, and is a problem, is if you see the statistics over a long time. You will get a line that goes up and down in hurricane intensity, temperature and whatnot. But, the ups and downs in recent years are all higher than the ups and downs in the past. The average has stabilized on a higher level. Think of a stock going up and down, but over time is up compared to before. Every up is not a proof of global warming, and every down is not a proof against. It's the trend that's the proof.

Hence no one incident can really be blamed on global warming. However, global warming will give us more of those hurricanes than before for instance, and a bit worse than before.

Peace
Dan

searchlightsoul

lucylespian wrote:

While you have had more hurricanes, Australia is dying from drought due to a lack of cyclones and tropical lows worth talking about. So this whole "gloabl warming means more hurricanes' thing is neither global, nor helping us much at the present.

Australia's had increasing aridity for 40 thousand years. Late last century there was a peirod of 40 years of high rainfall which was the real anomoly and now drought is back as per usual. Wouldn't matter what the weather did people would still point to it as evidence of global warming.

onelongsong

OutOfBreath wrote:

The point is, people, that no single summer or winter or hurricane proves global warming. The reason they claim global warming exists, and is a problem, is if you see the statistics over a long time. You will get a line that goes up and down in hurricane intensity, temperature and whatnot. But, the ups and downs in recent years are all higher than the ups and downs in the past. The average has stabilized on a higher level. Think of a stock going up and down, but over time is up compared to before. Every up is not a proof of global warming, and every down is not a proof against. It's the trend that's the proof.

Hence no one incident can really be blamed on global warming. However, global warming will give us more of those hurricanes than before for instance, and a bit worse than before.

Peace
Dan

i'm sure the brown clouds hanging over cities has nothing to do with it. i mean; are we going to believe you or our lieing eyes?

OutOfBreath

onelongsong wrote:

i'm sure the brown clouds hanging over cities has nothing to do with it. i mean; are we going to believe you or our lieing eyes?

I dont understand this response. What are you talking about? Please expand.

Peace
Dan

onelongsong

OutOfBreath wrote:

I dont understand this response. What are you talking about? Please expand.

Peace
Dan

i live in an area much like yours (from what i understand, anyway). the air is pure and the area pristine. it would be easy for me to discount global warming. but i also have a greenhouse and know how it works. i can study the emmissions; especially out of china; and know what effect it will have. i read the current data about the condition of the icecaps. nasa reported that 1250 square miles of ice in antartica dissapeared in 3 weeks. in greenland; the melt water is seeping through the cracks and lubricating the base causing the ice to slip into the ocean much faster than expected. antartica is melting from the bottom because the water temperature rose. this is all scientific fact that has been seen; measured; and calculated.
screw the weather changes; look at the scientific facts.

OutOfBreath

onelongsong wrote:

i live in an area much like yours (from what i understand, anyway). the air is pure and the area pristine. it would be easy for me to discount global warming. but i also have a greenhouse and know how it works. i can study the emmissions; especially out of china; and know what effect it will have. i read the current data about the condition of the icecaps. nasa reported that 1250 square miles of ice in antartica dissapeared in 3 weeks. in greenland; the melt water is seeping through the cracks and lubricating the base causing the ice to slip into the ocean much faster than expected. antartica is melting from the bottom because the water temperature rose. this is all scientific fact that has been seen; measured; and calculated.
screw the weather changes; look at the scientific facts.

How did you read my post as denying global warming? I agree to it all!
I merely pointed out that single events are not the evidence, but that the trend is the evidence. That's what the climate panel says too you know...

Read it over again, bearing in mind I am not opposing global warming...

Peace
Dan

onelongsong

OutOfBreath wrote:

How did you read my post as denying global warming? I agree to it all!
I merely pointed out that single events are not the evidence, but that the trend is the evidence. That's what the climate panel says too you know...

Read it over again, bearing in mind I am not opposing global warming...

Peace
Dan

my mistake.

lucylespian

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Yes, I realize we aren't the only country. I only mentioned our patterns because I know a lot more about them. Feel free to bring more global knowledge of these patterns to the discussion. Maybe in your region, which is closer to the caps, is suffering because of the melting and cooling of oceans temps onelongsong spoke of. I'm just looking for better understanding, I don't claim to know anything for sure about any of it.

Australia is probably not closer to the ice caps, I don't think. Al;though, like USA, it is a big counrty and has a number of climatic areas, all of which must be dealt with individually, rather than lumped in together.
Our East coast has not really had many revolving tropical storms (hurricanss to you, cyclones to us) in recent times. For example , this year I don't think we have had even one, and we are well into teh season. In the 70's, there would routinely be 5-10 per year, and at least several would cross the ocast, becoming a rain depression, and filling our continental water tanks.
As far as global warming goes, teh temperature data can't be argued wiht, but cuase , effect and consequences are another thing altogether.
The CO2 which is being realeased by burning fossil fuel was once part of teh atmosphere, before the trees and littel fishes put it away.
That the globe will change is undisputable, it has always been in flux. The actual idea that we can fix things the way we like them now is actually quite far-fetched.
Rome greww during a period of global warming, and shrank as it declined, got cooler, and teh starving tribes came rampaging down from the North.
Empires come, empires go !!

NOCODE#1

Skitch Patterson wrote:

as a whole picture of the enviroment, of course. However, one season of a warm december, or a heavy hurricane season is not proof- they are isolated weather incidents.... and taken individually, or seasonally proves nothing.

oh really? tell us more bill nye



The 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1995.

Skitch Patterson

NOCODE#1 wrote:

oh really? tell us more bill nye



The 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 1995.

okay. Sure.

10 warm years is more evidence of global warming then one active hurricane season.

thanks for proving my point.