I challenge to you find where I blame everything on the Jewish....you know what that really pisses me off...you wanna talk about intolerance look at the thread where one sided supporters try to justify the killing of innocents by Israel.....where I have condemded both sides time and time again...you piss me off trying to say I think like a Nazi...where the hell did I blame anything on Israeli people...I have challenged their policies as well I have condonded any attacks from Hezbollah...I am trying to suggest that people try to find ways to end this murderous cycle....man you know how to slander like the best of him...your a complete waste of time if you are trying to compare how I think to Nazism....
YOU SHOULD NOT PARADE AROUND HERE CALLING PEOPLE NAZI'S...damn your post made me sick...I know who I am and guess what buddy I am tolerant, you think with your one sided support for Israel that that supports tolerance...where my side of attacking evil actions on both sides is comparable to Nazi's..you have no idea what the hell you are talking about...
That's kind of like what I wanted to say. But seems like most people here actually believe I'm a Nazi, so there is not much use in me argueing it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
That's kind of like what I wanted to say. But seems like most people here actually believe I'm a Nazi, so there is not much use in me argueing it.
Just for the record, I think you're a pretty good guy (based on what little I know). I just think some of your views are rabidly one-sided, and yeah, I wonder about some of the statements you make. And I don't want to single you out, either. This thread is supposed to be more general, even if I did use something you said as an example.
That's kind of like what I wanted to say. But seems like most people here actually believe I'm a Nazi, so there is not much use in me argueing it.
I cannot believe that post....lies and lies....I have never been more insulted and sickened on this message board by a comment towards me..for that matter I had never been insulted before that brainless comment....
Just for the record, I think you're a pretty good guy (based on what little I know). I just think some of your views are rabidly one-sided, and yeah, I wonder about some of the statements you make. And I don't want to single you out, either. This thread is supposed to be more general, even if I did use something you said as an example.
What Nakedeye said was directed at me...hence him/her quoting my comment....and it was insulting.....he's just as one sided as those he preaches against....
What Nakedeye said was directed at me...hence him/her quoting my comment....and it was insulting.....he's just as one sided as those he preaches against....
Well, if my opinion counts for anything, I don't think you're a Nazi and I never have. You've got my respect.
Of course, you can't very well take away ones perspecption but you might be able to change someones or they could change yours...or just agree to disagree. But it makes for interesting discussions when we get these differing perspectives on the same board. You might stop to think about something a totally different way than you did before. And if not at the very least, you become aware and informed of all the others views out there.
absolute agreement. i thought if nothing else, that was the true purpose of this forum, to share information, to discuss and disseminate. i think, and of course i may be entirely wrong, but i think the thread starter perhaps was merely expressing some frustration in the manner of which this is being done, the language, tone...respect levels, etc. merely a guess on my part. but sure, it's all about sharing information.
I know who I am and guess what buddy I am tolerant
All of us have some degree of intolerance, whether we care to admit it or not. It's like the whole freedom of speech thing: let someone who supports it watch someone burn a flag or talk about "fags" or stand on a street corner espousing the virtues of one race over another or parade around with pictures of aborted fetuses or whatever, and you'll see that people really aren't all about total freedom of speech as they think they are.
Point being--not one of us is completely tolerant. It's just a matter of how much you want to be intolerant towards.
Tis sad really.
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Just for the record, I think you're a pretty good guy (based on what little I know). I just think some of your views are rabidly one-sided, and yeah, I wonder about some of the statements you make. And I don't want to single you out, either. This thread is supposed to be more general, even if I did use something you said as an example.
It's not always that one's views are one-sided. Sometimes people find themselves strongly defending a point of view and it makes them look like they don't care about the other side.
Understand where I'm coming from, like someone else said, white men in North America are responsible for all the atrocities of the past. Killing natives, stealing their land, oppressing women, black people, gay men and a lot of other "minorities". If you add all those groups together, I think we are pretty well out numbered. It's hard to gain any kind of custody over a child, mother's tend to get priority, employers can declare themselves "equal opportunity" and attract more people, I believe some kind of federal subsidy aswell, for hiring a minority. In some cases they have to hire a certain number of minorities or aboriginals by law. Where are white men, straight for that matter, in all this? They are the target of everyone's frustration, held responsible constantly for the past and paying for it in the present. That to me is the epitome of racism. It's the fabric in society that seperates one race, sex or religion from the others. Like an actual heirarchy of class.
I don't take offense to any words people use. It's easy to take offense to hardcore racism, which I've experienced many times. Racism and Sexism, as if it exists in Canada. Well it does on all fronts. It's just not that common. I'll be honest though, I've never had a bad encounter with an Arab, probably not a Jew either, though people don't usually say "Hi, I'm a jew.", not that it matters. Just means I wouldn't know.
Anyway, to explain what I said and why. Obviously it came out quite wrong. Jew may not have been the right word, Israelite or Zionist maybe Orthodox Jew, I dunno. Some kind of people that slap a big "Anti-Semite" sticker on people that don't agree with them. Anti-Racism is a form of Racism. Think about it. You walk around putting labels on people, it's no different. It's slanderous, libel, in it's written form. If you are labelling someone, because of a different background, race, sex or religion. Then in it's essence it's prejudice. I agree, however, that people should be able to voice themselves. Often times ambiguity is neccissary. It's the assumption that an individual shares those characteristics that is truely wrong. So when I say "Above all, Jews are the most racist people on the planet." it doesn't necissarily mean Shiraz or Jsand, but statistically, in my experience, Jewish people in conversation have shown more prejudice towards me. By labelling me an anti-semite for having an opinion that contradicts the actions of Israel and Zionism.
Well there was that other time.. with the other minority. I don't know how to get a point across to people that will just call me racist. I don't get it, I can't say anything, can't be critical at all. I'm not even allowed to talk about it. I agree, it would be nice to stop hearing about stealing land from the natives, or all the other crap "white men" have done. It's not going to happen though, not the way it is. We have sectarian violence. Natives tore down a hydro tower in Caledonia and knocked the cities power out and blocked the road. In another reserve, they set fires next to the train tracks and blocked it. Same stuff, different pile. We can talk about the reasons for that.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
These boards make me very uncomfortable ... as is the case above when people obsess over their hatred of Israel and Jews but then lament it when others see their transparently blanket obsession against Israel as being, well ... anti-Israel! Then they have the gall to call it the "race card".
If you are a congenital antisemite, at least have the nads to come out and say it. Maybe some on the far political left need to get out of their echo chamber and realize that "tolerance" applies to ALL people, and that bigotry and intolerance can be hurled at ALL people.
If someone dares suggest that the mass murdering acts of "militants" may begin from the fiery sermons of an Imam, they scream anti-Muslim bigotry. If they feel someone of a darker race or minority sexual preference is ostracized, they scream bigotry. But then, they'll foam out of the other side of their mouth about Jews or "rednecks" because they believe it not to be raw bigotry if aimed at those they view as the bigots or "privileged classes".
In their own warped sense of victimization, their bigotry is merely defensive.
Bigotry and racism runs in ALL directions - yes, even from minorities to "majorities". If there are those who obsess over Israel and bash it for everything and anything while conveniently ignoring the transgressions of her enemies, let's call it like it is. It's not pulling a "race card". If you choose to be a hater, hate whomever you like. But if thats your tendency, just call it what it is and don't twist it and hide being the faux-defensive posture of saying someone "pulled the race card" on YOU (the poor "victim").
Don't parade around with this sense of superiority for being so "tolerant" and such a victim. Admire yourself as the TRUE inheritors of Nazi philosophy instead of finding a way to pin it on the Jews. Or ... if you so choose ... keep pinning every woe in the world and your personal life on the Jews. I'm sure it'll get you real far in life. Well, actually it will get you far at the UN.
nice justifcation for the use of the "race card"...I understand you may be a bit miffed when people are called out on their use of victim stance, as well as painting those who disagree as "jew-haters", and the like...it appears use of the "anti-tolerant" card is just an veiled attempt to again label those who disagree with Israel's policies and actions as "Nazi's"....
forgive me for not being "anti-tolerant" of the killing of innocent children...please note, I feel that way about this side, that side, and the other side...
I agree...I am sick of people throwing your an anti-semite card about....like I said its pathetic retailation to those who don't agree with these few one sided view on the story....
Actually it is funny as fuck. They don't comment on any other threads and spew hate like some military raised, snotty nosed, inbred, ass. But when you live in a house that dosen't have mirrors it is hard to see yourself for what you are.
Somebody actually denied a massacre that happened. You want to see crying, just state that you agree with what the ruler of Iran had to say about some other massacre and watch the crying start. You don't even need to stoop that low to get a reaction. Pure comedy and fun to read.
Agreed. All these labels are what has kept me from even clicking on most of the threads since this conflict started. I find people that use lables are perpetuating generalized stereotypes in a bigotted manner.
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That's kind of like what I wanted to say. But seems like most people here actually believe I'm a Nazi, so there is not much use in me argueing it.
Just for the record, I think you're a pretty good guy (based on what little I know). I just think some of your views are rabidly one-sided, and yeah, I wonder about some of the statements you make. And I don't want to single you out, either. This thread is supposed to be more general, even if I did use something you said as an example.
I cannot believe that post....lies and lies....I have never been more insulted and sickened on this message board by a comment towards me..for that matter I had never been insulted before that brainless comment....
What Nakedeye said was directed at me...hence him/her quoting my comment....and it was insulting.....he's just as one sided as those he preaches against....
well it sure got O.J. away with murder quite swiftly....
Well, if my opinion counts for anything, I don't think you're a Nazi and I never have. You've got my respect.
absolute agreement. i thought if nothing else, that was the true purpose of this forum, to share information, to discuss and disseminate. i think, and of course i may be entirely wrong, but i think the thread starter perhaps was merely expressing some frustration in the manner of which this is being done, the language, tone...respect levels, etc. merely a guess on my part. but sure, it's all about sharing information.
*edit - b/c i simply cannot type.
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All of us have some degree of intolerance, whether we care to admit it or not. It's like the whole freedom of speech thing: let someone who supports it watch someone burn a flag or talk about "fags" or stand on a street corner espousing the virtues of one race over another or parade around with pictures of aborted fetuses or whatever, and you'll see that people really aren't all about total freedom of speech as they think they are.
Point being--not one of us is completely tolerant. It's just a matter of how much you want to be intolerant towards.
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There's a certain thread on Given to Fly that's good for that too.
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thats just from stupid posters in the other music forum
It's not always that one's views are one-sided. Sometimes people find themselves strongly defending a point of view and it makes them look like they don't care about the other side.
Understand where I'm coming from, like someone else said, white men in North America are responsible for all the atrocities of the past. Killing natives, stealing their land, oppressing women, black people, gay men and a lot of other "minorities". If you add all those groups together, I think we are pretty well out numbered. It's hard to gain any kind of custody over a child, mother's tend to get priority, employers can declare themselves "equal opportunity" and attract more people, I believe some kind of federal subsidy aswell, for hiring a minority. In some cases they have to hire a certain number of minorities or aboriginals by law. Where are white men, straight for that matter, in all this? They are the target of everyone's frustration, held responsible constantly for the past and paying for it in the present. That to me is the epitome of racism. It's the fabric in society that seperates one race, sex or religion from the others. Like an actual heirarchy of class.
I don't take offense to any words people use. It's easy to take offense to hardcore racism, which I've experienced many times. Racism and Sexism, as if it exists in Canada. Well it does on all fronts. It's just not that common. I'll be honest though, I've never had a bad encounter with an Arab, probably not a Jew either, though people don't usually say "Hi, I'm a jew.", not that it matters. Just means I wouldn't know.
Anyway, to explain what I said and why. Obviously it came out quite wrong. Jew may not have been the right word, Israelite or Zionist maybe Orthodox Jew, I dunno. Some kind of people that slap a big "Anti-Semite" sticker on people that don't agree with them. Anti-Racism is a form of Racism. Think about it. You walk around putting labels on people, it's no different. It's slanderous, libel, in it's written form. If you are labelling someone, because of a different background, race, sex or religion. Then in it's essence it's prejudice. I agree, however, that people should be able to voice themselves. Often times ambiguity is neccissary. It's the assumption that an individual shares those characteristics that is truely wrong. So when I say "Above all, Jews are the most racist people on the planet." it doesn't necissarily mean Shiraz or Jsand, but statistically, in my experience, Jewish people in conversation have shown more prejudice towards me. By labelling me an anti-semite for having an opinion that contradicts the actions of Israel and Zionism.
Well there was that other time.. with the other minority. I don't know how to get a point across to people that will just call me racist. I don't get it, I can't say anything, can't be critical at all. I'm not even allowed to talk about it. I agree, it would be nice to stop hearing about stealing land from the natives, or all the other crap "white men" have done. It's not going to happen though, not the way it is. We have sectarian violence. Natives tore down a hydro tower in Caledonia and knocked the cities power out and blocked the road. In another reserve, they set fires next to the train tracks and blocked it. Same stuff, different pile. We can talk about the reasons for that.
You seem to have a very grim outlook
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I don't only dig good music, I play it as well...
nice justifcation for the use of the "race card"...I understand you may be a bit miffed when people are called out on their use of victim stance, as well as painting those who disagree as "jew-haters", and the like...it appears use of the "anti-tolerant" card is just an veiled attempt to again label those who disagree with Israel's policies and actions as "Nazi's"....
forgive me for not being "anti-tolerant" of the killing of innocent children...please note, I feel that way about this side, that side, and the other side...
Actually it is funny as fuck. They don't comment on any other threads and spew hate like some military raised, snotty nosed, inbred, ass. But when you live in a house that dosen't have mirrors it is hard to see yourself for what you are.
Somebody actually denied a massacre that happened. You want to see crying, just state that you agree with what the ruler of Iran had to say about some other massacre and watch the crying start. You don't even need to stoop that low to get a reaction. Pure comedy and fun to read.
i've refused to read any of them.