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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Nakedeye66 wrote:
    These boards make me very uncomfortable ... as is the case above when people obsess over their hatred of Israel and Jews but then lament it when others see their transparently blanket obsession against Israel as being, well ... anti-Israel! Then they have the gall to call it the "race card".

    If you are a congenital antisemite, at least have the nads to come out and say it. Maybe some on the far political left need to get out of their echo chamber and realize that "tolerance" applies to ALL people, and that bigotry and intolerance can be hurled at ALL people.

    If someone dares suggest that the mass murdering acts of "militants" may begin from the fiery sermons of an Imam, they scream anti-Muslim bigotry. If they feel someone of a darker race or minority sexual preference is ostracized, they scream bigotry. But then, they'll foam out of the other side of their mouth about Jews or "rednecks" because they believe it not to be raw bigotry if aimed at those they view as the bigots or "privileged classes".

    In their own warped sense of victimization, their bigotry is merely defensive.

    Bigotry and racism runs in ALL directions - yes, even from minorities to "majorities". If there are those who obsess over Israel and bash it for everything and anything while conveniently ignoring the transgressions of her enemies, let's call it like it is. It's not pulling a "race card". If you choose to be a hater, hate whomever you like. But if thats your tendency, just call it what it is and don't twist it and hide being the faux-defensive posture of saying someone "pulled the race card" on YOU (the poor "victim").

    Don't parade around with this sense of superiority for being so "tolerant" and such a victim. Admire yourself as the TRUE inheritors of Nazi philosophy instead of finding a way to pin it on the Jews. Or ... if you so choose ... keep pinning every woe in the world and your personal life on the Jews. I'm sure it'll get you real far in life. Well, actually it will get you far at the UN.

    Generalization is a neccissary evil, kind of like collateral damage. People dislike Israel's actions, not the Israeli people. The offense they take to criticism of Israel is collateral damage, and primarily their fault for misinterpreting it as racism. calling it racism, and the crap you just posted are dumb.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Generalization is a neccissary evil, kind of like collateral damage. People dislike Israel's actions, not the Israeli people. The offense they take to criticism of Israel is collateral damage, and primarily their fault for misinterpreting it as racism. calling it racism, and the crap you just posted are dumb.

    Bingo!

    I'd love them to bits if they just stop the bullying. :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Nakedeye66
    Nakedeye66 Posts: 94
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Bingo! I'd love them to bits if they just stop the bullying. :)

    Nothing I can say to retort the "Israel as bully" party line can match Bob Dylan. So consider his gloriously sarcastic response to this charge (and listen to the song if you get a chance):

    Well, the neighborhood bully, he's just one man,
    His enemies say he's on their land.
    They got him outnumbered about a million to one,
    He got no place to escape to, no place to run.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    The neighborhood bully just lives to survive,
    He's criticized and condemned for being alive.
    He's not supposed to fight back, he's supposed to have thick skin,
    He's supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land,
    He's wandered the earth an exiled man.
    Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn,
    He's always on trial for just being born.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized,
    Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.
    Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad.
    The bombs were meant for him.
    He was supposed to feel bad.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
    That he'll live by the rules that the world makes for him,
    'Cause there's a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
    And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    He got no allies to really speak of.
    What he gets he must pay for, he don't get it out of love.
    He buys obsolete weapons and he won't be denied
    But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Well, he's surrounded by pacifists who all want peace,
    They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease.
    Now, they wouldn't hurt a fly.
    To hurt one they would weep.
    They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Every empire that's enslaved him is gone,
    Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon.
    He's made a garden of paradise in the desert sand,
    In bed with nobody, under no one's command.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Now his holiest books have been trampled upon,
    No contract he signed was worth what it was written on.
    He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth,
    Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    What's anybody indebted to him for?
    Nothin', they say.
    He just likes to cause war.
    Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed,
    They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    What has he done to wear so many scars?
    Does he change the course of rivers?
    Does he pollute the moon and stars?
    Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill,
    Running out the clock, time standing still,
    Neighborhood bully.
  • Milestone
    Milestone Posts: 1,143
    reborncareerist wrote:
    May in fact be some of the most racist people on the planet. Holy crap, its just unreal lately. Jews, whites, Arabs, Muslims ... This place is a collection of mindless bigoted statements that do absolutely nothing to change the current shitty state of affairs in the world today. Is there some sort of point to saying things like "Jews are the most racist people on the planet" or "Let's watch Israel's beautiful army crush the useless Arabs"? Venting anger? Promoting a different point of view?
    I don't know ... The ignorance is making me pretty uncomfortable.



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  • jsand
    jsand Posts: 646
    Nakedeye66 wrote:
    These boards make me very uncomfortable ... as is the case above when people obsess over their hatred of Israel and Jews but then lament it when others see their transparently blanket obsession against Israel as being, well ... anti-Israel! Then they have the gall to call it the "race card".

    If you are a congenital antisemite, at least have the nads to come out and say it. Maybe some on the far political left need to get out of their echo chamber and realize that "tolerance" applies to ALL people, and that bigotry and intolerance can be hurled at ALL people.

    If someone dares suggest that the mass murdering acts of "militants" may begin from the fiery sermons of an Imam, they scream anti-Muslim bigotry. If they feel someone of a darker race or minority sexual preference is ostracized, they scream bigotry. But then, they'll foam out of the other side of their mouth about Jews or "rednecks" because they believe it not to be raw bigotry if aimed at those they view as the bigots or "privileged classes".

    In their own warped sense of victimization, their bigotry is merely defensive.

    Bigotry and racism runs in ALL directions - yes, even from minorities to "majorities". If there are those who obsess over Israel and bash it for everything and anything while conveniently ignoring the transgressions of her enemies, let's call it like it is. It's not pulling a "race card". If you choose to be a hater, hate whomever you like. But if thats your tendency, just call it what it is and don't twist it and hide being the faux-defensive posture of saying someone "pulled the race card" on YOU (the poor "victim").

    Don't parade around with this sense of superiority for being so "tolerant" and such a victim. Admire yourself as the TRUE inheritors of Nazi philosophy instead of finding a way to pin it on the Jews. Or ... if you so choose ... keep pinning every woe in the world and your personal life on the Jews. I'm sure it'll get you real far in life. Well, actually it will get you far at the UN.

    Great post.
  • rightondude
    rightondude Posts: 745
    one man's racist is some other man's pew buddy...

    I say for the love of .... (insert your diety here) let all the bad of the past die already, and move forward from this point intelligently.

    The key words being intelligent, aware, and open minded towards the future mankind.

    Not "yeah I am doing that, but I gotta kill off this guy first" :rolleyes:

    uhm...peacefully anyone?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Nakedeye66 wrote:
    Nothing I can say to retort the "Israel as bully" party line can match Bob Dylan. So consider his gloriously sarcastic response to this charge (and listen to the song if you get a chance):

    Well, the neighborhood bully, he's just one man,
    His enemies say he's on their land.
    They got him outnumbered about a million to one,
    He got no place to escape to, no place to run.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    The neighborhood bully just lives to survive,
    He's criticized and condemned for being alive.
    He's not supposed to fight back, he's supposed to have thick skin,
    He's supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land,
    He's wandered the earth an exiled man.
    Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn,
    He's always on trial for just being born.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized,
    Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.
    Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad.
    The bombs were meant for him.
    He was supposed to feel bad.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
    That he'll live by the rules that the world makes for him,
    'Cause there's a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
    And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    He got no allies to really speak of.
    What he gets he must pay for, he don't get it out of love.
    He buys obsolete weapons and he won't be denied
    But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Well, he's surrounded by pacifists who all want peace,
    They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease.
    Now, they wouldn't hurt a fly.
    To hurt one they would weep.
    They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Every empire that's enslaved him is gone,
    Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon.
    He's made a garden of paradise in the desert sand,
    In bed with nobody, under no one's command.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    Now his holiest books have been trampled upon,
    No contract he signed was worth what it was written on.
    He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth,
    Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    What's anybody indebted to him for?
    Nothin', they say.
    He just likes to cause war.
    Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed,
    They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed.
    He's the neighborhood bully.

    What has he done to wear so many scars?
    Does he change the course of rivers?
    Does he pollute the moon and stars?
    Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill,
    Running out the clock, time standing still,
    Neighborhood bully.

    I can see aspects of this song describing both sides. Can you?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    reborncareerist wrote:
    May in fact be some of the most racist people on the planet. Holy crap, its just unreal lately. Jews, whites, Arabs, Muslims ... This place is a collection of mindless bigoted statements that do absolutely nothing to change the current shitty state of affairs in the world today. Is there some sort of point to saying things like "Jews are the most racist people on the planet" or "Let's watch Israel's beautiful army crush the useless Arabs"? Venting anger? Promoting a different point of view?
    I don't know ... The ignorance is making me pretty uncomfortable.

    funny hearing that from you.. you have a history of objecting to the thought of racism.

    I think racism is deep - and in an anonymous place like this - it surfaces more.

    racism manifests itself more like joining a gang for protection in what looks more and more to me like a very ugly and vicious world.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Abuskedti wrote:
    funny hearing that from you.. you have a history of objecting to the thought of racism.

    I think racism is deep - and in an anonymous place like this - it surfaces more.

    racism manifests itself more like joining a gang for protection in what looks more and more to me like a very ugly and vicious world.

    I know I do, but I am starting to see the light a little, I think. I have some Jewish ancestors (not to mention a lot of Jewish friends, some in Israel as we speak), and some of the stuff people write lately cuts a little too deep. A man experiences something, and suddenly its hard to deny its existence anymore. Of course, I've experienced a ton of racism as a kid (for being white, interestingly), so why I am suddenly developing this insight now is a bit odd. I think its because usually, people on here make racial blanket statements about the so-called majority group, and after hearing so much of that garbage when I was younger, you're damn skippy it still bugs me.
    I don't know. I still think that the race card is something that people often play inappropriately ... But I am no longer in a position to get super-defensive whenever someone brings it up. People's biases are getting ugly on here, and many of them don't even know it (see nakedeye's EXCELLENT post).
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Nakedeye66 wrote:
    These boards make me very uncomfortable ... as is the case above when people obsess over their hatred of Israel and Jews but then lament it when others see their transparently blanket obsession against Israel as being, well ... anti-Israel! Then they have the gall to call it the "race card".

    If you are a congenital antisemite, at least have the nads to come out and say it. Maybe some on the far political left need to get out of their echo chamber and realize that "tolerance" applies to ALL people, and that bigotry and intolerance can be hurled at ALL people.

    If someone dares suggest that the mass murdering acts of "militants" may begin from the fiery sermons of an Imam, they scream anti-Muslim bigotry. If they feel someone of a darker race or minority sexual preference is ostracized, they scream bigotry. But then, they'll foam out of the other side of their mouth about Jews or "rednecks" because they believe it not to be raw bigotry if aimed at those they view as the bigots or "privileged classes".

    In their own warped sense of victimization, their bigotry is merely defensive.

    Bigotry and racism runs in ALL directions - yes, even from minorities to "majorities". If there are those who obsess over Israel and bash it for everything and anything while conveniently ignoring the transgressions of her enemies, let's call it like it is. It's not pulling a "race card". If you choose to be a hater, hate whomever you like. But if thats your tendency, just call it what it is and don't twist it and hide being the faux-defensive posture of saying someone "pulled the race card" on YOU (the poor "victim").

    Don't parade around with this sense of superiority for being so "tolerant" and such a victim. Admire yourself as the TRUE inheritors of Nazi philosophy instead of finding a way to pin it on the Jews. Or ... if you so choose ... keep pinning every woe in the world and your personal life on the Jews. I'm sure it'll get you real far in life. Well, actually it will get you far at the UN.

    I challenge to you find where I blame everything on the Jewish....you know what that really pisses me off...you wanna talk about intolerance look at the thread where one sided supporters try to justify the killing of innocents by Israel.....where I have condemded both sides time and time again...you piss me off trying to say I think like a Nazi...where the hell did I blame anything on Israeli people...I have challenged their policies as well I have condonded any attacks from Hezbollah...I am trying to suggest that people try to find ways to end this murderous cycle....man you know how to slander like the best of him...your a complete waste of time if you are trying to compare how I think to Nazism....

    YOU SHOULD NOT PARADE AROUND HERE CALLING PEOPLE NAZI'S...damn your post made me sick...I know who I am and guess what buddy I am tolerant, you think with your one sided support for Israel that that supports tolerance...where my side of attacking evil actions on both sides is comparable to Nazi's..you have no idea what the hell you are talking about...if you dont have enough intelligence to figure out what is critisicm and what is actual hate thats your problem...I suggest reading my posts before you make such slanderous claims....
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    I challenge to you find where I blame everything on the Jewish....you know what that really pisses me off...you wanna talk about intolerance look at the thread where one sided supporters try to justify the killing of innocents by Israel.....where I have condemded both sides time and time again...you piss me off trying to say I think like a Nazi...where the hell did I blame anything on Israeli people...I have challenged their policies as well I have condonded any attacks from Hezbollah...I am trying to suggest that people try to find ways to end this murderous cycle....man you know how to slander like the best of him...your a complete waste of time if you are trying to compare how I think to Nazism....

    YOU SHOULD NOT PARADE AROUND HERE CALLING PEOPLE NAZI'S...damn your post made me sick...I know who I am and guess what buddy I am tolerant, you think with your one sided support for Israel that that supports tolerance...where my side of attacking evil actions on both sides is comparable to Nazi's..you have no idea what the hell you are talking about...

    That's kind of like what I wanted to say. But seems like most people here actually believe I'm a Nazi, so there is not much use in me argueing it.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That's kind of like what I wanted to say. But seems like most people here actually believe I'm a Nazi, so there is not much use in me argueing it.

    Just for the record, I think you're a pretty good guy (based on what little I know). I just think some of your views are rabidly one-sided, and yeah, I wonder about some of the statements you make. And I don't want to single you out, either. This thread is supposed to be more general, even if I did use something you said as an example.
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That's kind of like what I wanted to say. But seems like most people here actually believe I'm a Nazi, so there is not much use in me argueing it.

    I cannot believe that post....lies and lies....I have never been more insulted and sickened on this message board by a comment towards me..for that matter I had never been insulted before that brainless comment....
  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Just for the record, I think you're a pretty good guy (based on what little I know). I just think some of your views are rabidly one-sided, and yeah, I wonder about some of the statements you make. And I don't want to single you out, either. This thread is supposed to be more general, even if I did use something you said as an example.

    What Nakedeye said was directed at me...hence him/her quoting my comment....and it was insulting.....he's just as one sided as those he preaches against....
  • rightondude
    rightondude Posts: 745
    thankyougrandma wrote:
    well it is racist to say that. I hope i don't sound racist in this post, hehe...

    well it sure got O.J. away with murder quite swiftly.... :D
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    What Nakedeye said was directed at me...hence him/her quoting my comment....and it was insulting.....he's just as one sided as those he preaches against....

    Well, if my opinion counts for anything, I don't think you're a Nazi and I never have. You've got my respect.
  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Of course, you can't very well take away ones perspecption but you might be able to change someones or they could change yours...or just agree to disagree. But it makes for interesting discussions when we get these differing perspectives on the same board. You might stop to think about something a totally different way than you did before. And if not at the very least, you become aware and informed of all the others views out there.


    absolute agreement. i thought if nothing else, that was the true purpose of this forum, to share information, to discuss and disseminate. i think, and of course i may be entirely wrong, but i think the thread starter perhaps was merely expressing some frustration in the manner of which this is being done, the language, tone...respect levels, etc. merely a guess on my part. but sure, it's all about sharing information.


    *edit - b/c i simply cannot type. :o
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  • Echoes
    Echoes Posts: 1,279
    If I ever want my daily dose of spewing bile, I click here instead of Other Music
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  • dkst0426
    dkst0426 Posts: 523
    Rockin'InCanada wrote:
    I know who I am and guess what buddy I am tolerant

    All of us have some degree of intolerance, whether we care to admit it or not. It's like the whole freedom of speech thing: let someone who supports it watch someone burn a flag or talk about "fags" or stand on a street corner espousing the virtues of one race over another or parade around with pictures of aborted fetuses or whatever, and you'll see that people really aren't all about total freedom of speech as they think they are.

    Point being--not one of us is completely tolerant. It's just a matter of how much you want to be intolerant towards.
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    I hate people from Rhode Island.

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