"Above all, Posters on the Moving Train" ...

rebornFixer

May in fact be some of the most racist people on the planet. Holy crap, its just unreal lately. Jews, whites, Arabs, Muslims ... This place is a collection of mindless bigoted statements that do absolutely nothing to change the current shitty state of affairs in the world today. Is there some sort of point to saying things like "Jews are the most racist people on the planet" or "Let's watch Israel's beautiful army crush the useless Arabs"? Venting anger? Promoting a different point of view?
I don't know ... The ignorance is making me pretty uncomfortable.

know1

Agreed. All these labels are what has kept me from even clicking on most of the threads since this conflict started. I find people that use lables are perpetuating generalized stereotypes in a bigotted manner.

polaris

i've been reading all the posts ... and i would have to say that the percentage of posters who even remotely seem racists is like 0.5% ...

i don't see this at all ... maybe it's in the interpretation

decides2dream

yikes. is it getting tha t ugly around here lately? i have been avoiding many of those threads...but i think this happens when so much ugliness is going on in reality. we are but one microchosm within the world, so it is unsurprising that it would elve into such...otherwise, why would the world? certainly though, it's beyond sad here...and absolutely tragic out in reality.

rightondude

Very few here can see both sides. They use either the left or right sides of their brain not realizing it takes both left and right sides to come up with whole brain thought.

I'm past all that noise. I often push both sides of the argument just to verify some of my instincts and observations.

rebornFixer

decides2dream wrote:

yikes. is it getting tha t ugly around here lately? i have been avoiding many of those threads...but i think this happens when so much ugliness is going on in reality. we are but one microchosm within the world, so it is unsurprising that it would elve into such...otherwise, why would the world? certainly though, it's beyond sad here...and absolutely tragic out in reality.

I think it is, but of course this is subjective.

Pearl Jam and toast

Well that's a very Austrailian thing to say.

decides2dream

reborncareerist wrote:

I think it is, but of course this is subjective.

as is much in this life...and also what can cause, and solve, problems. perception is everything, right or wrong.

thankyougrandma

decides2dream wrote:

as is much in this life...and also what can cause, and solve, problems. perception is everything, right or wrong.

In life it's easier to recognize, with the facial expression, or body expression, with the tone and all this, here it's just hard to add a "tone" to a comment like "above all, Albertans are americans" , so it might sound racist. I'm under the impression that most of the time when someone post something that sound racist, it's not intentional. Although saying "above all, jews are the most racist...", well it is racist to say that. I hope i don't sound racist in this post, hehe...

inmytree

reborncareerist wrote:

May in fact be some of the most racist people on the planet. Holy crap, its just unreal lately. Jews, whites, Arabs, Muslims ... This place is a collection of mindless bigoted statements that do absolutely nothing to change the current shitty state of affairs in the world today. Is there some sort of point to saying things like "Jews are the most racist people on the planet" or "Let's watch Israel's beautiful army crush the useless Arabs"? Venting anger? Promoting a different point of view?
I don't know ... The ignorance is making me pretty uncomfortable.

wow...that's quite a broad paintbrush you are using...while I agree, the examples you noted use the same brush you are using in this post, I would contend that the majority of posters here on the train are not what you are claiming them to be...

I would say that I have noticed some using the "racist card" when someone does not agree with their position...for example, when someone speaks against Israel and their current actions, they are labeled a Jew-Hater and the like...

decides2dream

thankyougrandma wrote:

In life it's easier to recognize, with the facial expression, or body expression, with the tone and all this, here it's just hard to add a "tone" to a comment like "above all, Albertans are americans" , so it might sound racist. I'm under the impression that most of the time when someone post something that sound racist, it's not intentional. Although saying "above all, jews are the most racist...", well it is racist to say that. I hope i don't sound racist in this post, hehe...

i actually was referring to both words and actions....isn't it clear that even in reality BOTH are clouded by our own perceptions? i think that is the whole point. even the most 'objective' amongst us...cannot fully seperate from their own perceptions. time and again, studies have shown what we *see* is more in our mind than our vision....we take the information in, bare witness to events, and it gets *filtered* through our minds, our own personal histories, our own powers of observation, etc...so even if you and i *see* the exact same thing, our recall of such events may very well be quite different. individual perception.

Pearl Jam and toast

"Hitler had the right idea, he was just an underachiever"

rebornFixer

inmytree wrote:

wow...that's quite a broad paintbrush you are using...while I agree, the examples you noted use the same brush you are using in this post, I would contend that the majority of posters here on the train are not what you are claiming them to be...

I would say that I have noticed some using the "racist card" when someone does not agree with their position...for example, when someone speaks against Israel and their current actions, they are labeled a Jew-Hater and the like...

Yep, should have said some.

RockinInCanada

inmytree wrote:

wow...that's quite a broad paintbrush you are using...while I agree, the examples you noted use the same brush you are using in this post, I would contend that the majority of posters here on the train are not what you are claiming them to be...

I would say that I have noticed some using the "racist card" when someone does not agree with their position...for example, when someone speaks against Israel and their current actions, they are labeled a Jew-Hater and the like...

I agree...I am sick of people throwing your an anti-semite card about....like I said its pathetic retailation to those who don't agree with these few one sided view on the story....

Abookamongstthemany

decides2dream wrote:

i actually was referring to both words and actions....isn't it clear that even in reality BOTH are clouded by our own perceptions? i think that is the whole point. even the most 'objective' amongst us...cannot fully seperate from their own perceptions. time and again, studies have shown what we *see* is more in our mind than our vision....we take the information in, bare witness to events, and it gets *filtered* through our minds, our own personal histories, our own powers of observation, etc...so even if you and i *see* the exact same thing, our recall of such events may very well be quite different. individual perception.

Of course, you can't very well take away ones perspecption but you might be able to change someones or they could change yours...or just agree to disagree. But it makes for interesting discussions when we get these differing perspectives on the same board. You might stop to think about something a totally different way than you did before. And if not at the very least, you become aware and informed of all the others views out there.

inmytree

reborncareerist wrote:

Yep, should have said some.

in that case, I fully agree with you...:)

rebornFixer

inmytree wrote:

in that case, I fully agree with you...:)

I don't know ... You have some people playing the anti-Semite card, and you have others playing the racist against Arabs card. Its not a good debate tactic ... Then again, sometimes the comments might be justified.

Ahnimus

reborncareerist wrote:

May in fact be some of the most racist people on the planet. Holy crap, its just unreal lately. Jews, whites, Arabs, Muslims ... This place is a collection of mindless bigoted statements that do absolutely nothing to change the current shitty state of affairs in the world today. Is there some sort of point to saying things like "Jews are the most racist people on the planet" or "Let's watch Israel's beautiful army crush the useless Arabs"? Venting anger? Promoting a different point of view?
I don't know ... The ignorance is making me pretty uncomfortable.

It's hard not to generalize in a world of generalization. I'm not defending my statement, but it was taken out of context. I have a hard time finding the original paragraph.

Ahnimus

reborncareerist wrote:

I don't know ... You have some people playing the anti-Semite card, and you have others playing the racist against Arabs card. Its not a good debate tactic ... Then again, sometimes the comments might be justified.

I've said it probably 100 times and I'll say it again, Arabs are semites too.

inmytree

reborncareerist wrote:

I don't know ... You have some people playing the anti-Semite card, and you have others playing the racist against Arabs card. Its not a good debate tactic ... Then again, sometimes the comments might be justified.

again, I agree...your point is a good one...I think what we are seeing is an extension of the polarized state we are currently in...the whole red state-blue state thing...people are picking teams like it's a sporting event...it's frustrating...

Nakedeye66

Rockin'InCanada wrote:

I agree...I am sick of people throwing your an anti-semite card about....like I said its pathetic retailation to those who don't agree with these few one sided view on the story....

These boards make me very uncomfortable ... as is the case above when people obsess over their hatred of Israel and Jews but then lament it when others see their transparently blanket obsession against Israel as being, well ... anti-Israel! Then they have the gall to call it the "race card".

If you are a congenital antisemite, at least have the nads to come out and say it. Maybe some on the far political left need to get out of their echo chamber and realize that "tolerance" applies to ALL people, and that bigotry and intolerance can be hurled at ALL people.

If someone dares suggest that the mass murdering acts of "militants" may begin from the fiery sermons of an Imam, they scream anti-Muslim bigotry. If they feel someone of a darker race or minority sexual preference is ostracized, they scream bigotry. But then, they'll foam out of the other side of their mouth about Jews or "rednecks" because they believe it not to be raw bigotry if aimed at those they view as the bigots or "privileged classes".

In their own warped sense of victimization, their bigotry is merely defensive.

Bigotry and racism runs in ALL directions - yes, even from minorities to "majorities". If there are those who obsess over Israel and bash it for everything and anything while conveniently ignoring the transgressions of her enemies, let's call it like it is. It's not pulling a "race card". If you choose to be a hater, hate whomever you like. But if thats your tendency, just call it what it is and don't twist it and hide being the faux-defensive posture of saying someone "pulled the race card" on YOU (the poor "victim").

Don't parade around with this sense of superiority for being so "tolerant" and such a victim. Admire yourself as the TRUE inheritors of Nazi philosophy instead of finding a way to pin it on the Jews. Or ... if you so choose ... keep pinning every woe in the world and your personal life on the Jews. I'm sure it'll get you real far in life. Well, actually it will get you far at the UN.