Well, you could have used your intelligence services to apprehend those responsible for the crime. Bombing the crap out of two countries - one of which had nothing to do with it - was that the only solution?
going to war with Afghanistan, yes. with Iraq, no.
The united states will ironically look back and see this time as one of the easiest times to take over the world.
reason being the anti nuke scenario was essentially non existent... It doesn't get any easier than now... It really doesn't.
neo-cons 50 years from now will look back and masturbate to this post...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Ask the parents, who gave their kids up to the military.
I will take that question. It sucks! Everybody talks something different about the war. I don't know what to believe.
I thought the plan was to draw terrorist out of the Afghan Mountains into the cities of Iraq. Better to fight them there not here. I don't agree with that plan but does anyone know how that fight is going?
I will take that question. It sucks! Everybody talks something different about the war. I don't know what to believe.
I thought the plan was to draw terrorist out of the Afghan Mountains into the cities of Iraq. Better to fight them there not here. I don't agree with that plan but does anyone know how that fight is going?
About as well as the hunt for Bin Laden.
Arab Militants Join fight in Afghanistan By KATHY GANNON, Associated Press Writer
Sun Jun 24, 2:30 PM ET
JALALABAD, Afghanistan - Arab Islamic radicals who fled Afghanistan in the U.S.-led invasion are coming back, eager to support suicide bombers in their increasingly frequent and effective attacks on Western and Afghan forces.
In both Iraq and Afghanistan, young militants feel that "Allah's victory seems to be drawing near" and see parallels with the stalemating of the Soviet army in Afghanistan in the 1980s and its ultimate withdrawal, said Michael Scheuer, a former CIA official who until 2004 headed a team that searched for Osama bin Laden.
Al-Qaida is bringing back fighters it sent home after the post-9/11 invasion, he said. Al-Qaida leaders have written that "it would take three or four years to get the insurgency restarted. They seem to be pretty much on schedule and are bringing more fighters back into the theater," he said.
Seth Jones, counterinsurgency expert at the U.S.-based Rand Corporation, said the influx is in the dozens or low hundreds, but is increasing, along with a fervor reminiscent of the 1980s, when Arabs such as the Saudi-born bin Laden flocked to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets.
Attacks have surged. From Jan. 1 to May 31, 2006, 11 suicide attacks took 63 lives. In the same period of this year, 42 attacks killed 171 people, according to AP compiled statistics.
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I will take that question. It sucks! Everybody talks something different about the war. I don't know what to believe.
I thought the plan was to draw terrorist out of the Afghan Mountains into the cities of Iraq. Better to fight them there not here. I don't agree with that plan but does anyone know how that fight is going?
Arab Militants Join fight in Afghanistan By KATHY GANNON, Associated Press Writer
Sun Jun 24, 2:30 PM ET
JALALABAD, Afghanistan - Arab Islamic radicals who fled Afghanistan in the U.S.-led invasion are coming back, eager to support suicide bombers in their increasingly frequent and effective attacks on Western and Afghan forces.
In both Iraq and Afghanistan, young militants feel that "Allah's victory seems to be drawing near" and see parallels with the stalemating of the Soviet army in Afghanistan in the 1980s and its ultimate withdrawal, said Michael Scheuer, a former CIA official who until 2004 headed a team that searched for Osama bin Laden.
Al-Qaida is bringing back fighters it sent home after the post-9/11 invasion, he said. Al-Qaida leaders have written that "it would take three or four years to get the insurgency restarted. They seem to be pretty much on schedule and are bringing more fighters back into the theater," he said.
Seth Jones, counterinsurgency expert at the U.S.-based Rand Corporation, said the influx is in the dozens or low hundreds, but is increasing, along with a fervor reminiscent of the 1980s, when Arabs such as the Saudi-born bin Laden flocked to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets.
Attacks have surged. From Jan. 1 to May 31, 2006, 11 suicide attacks took 63 lives. In the same period of this year, 42 attacks killed 171 people, according to AP compiled statistics.
So, we are making enemies faster then we can kill them?
We invaded a soverign country without just cause, without world support, who's neighbors happen to hate us more than life itself and then we stay there.
We should have put all our time, effort, and manpower into Afghanistan. Thats the country that housed those that attached and killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11.
You dont put Mr. Rodgers in charge of a prison gang. You put the biggest, baddest motherfucker who will do whatever it takes to keep people in line in charge. Some countries need Saddams.
Not well thought out.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
yeah but the point being made(correct me if im wrong steve) was that iraq and afghanistan don't even share a common border. there's a big ol' other country between them. so the idea that the americans were hoping to draw terrorists out of the afghani mountains to fight in iraqi cities is a dumb one.
it also assumes that the iranians would allow the transit of such terrorists through their country. which of course would lend credence to the idea that iran is evil. and garnering more support for a possible invasion of iran because of such complicity. of course these terrorists could always go around iran trekking through four countries and across the caspian sea, to enter iraq from the north. however im more prone to think it's an idiotic plan.
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yeah but the point being made(correct me if im wrong steve) was that iraq and afghanistan don't even share a common border. there's a big ol' other country between them. so the idea that the americans were hoping to draw terrorists out of the afghani mountains to fight in iraqi cities is a dumb one.
it also assumes that the iranians would allow the transit of such terrorists through their country. which of course would lend credence to the idea that iran is evil. and garnering more support for a possible invasion of iran because of such complicity. of course these terrorists could always go around iran trekking through four countries and across the caspian sea, to enter iraq from the north. however im more prone to think it's an idiotic plan.
It's not easy being a parent that is against the war and her son decided to join the fight. I'm just asking some questions.
yeah but the point being made(correct me if im wrong steve) was that iraq and afghanistan don't even share a common border. there's a big ol' other country between them. so the idea that the americans were hoping to draw terrorists out of the afghani mountains to fight in iraqi cities is a dumb one.
it also assumes that the iranians would allow the transit of such terrorists through their country. which of course would lend credence to the idea that iran is evil. and garnering more support for a possible invasion of iran because of such complicity. of course these terrorists could always go around iran trekking through four countries and across the caspian sea, to enter iraq from the north. however im more prone to think it's an idiotic plan.
The idea of the previous poster's was ludicrous simply because it has no basis in reality.
with respect, you need to get another source. perhaps one without ulterior motives.
Well, I thought I was doing that by talking to fellow Pearl Jam fans.
I believe I even stated that from the begining. I said something like, I just wanted to ask some questions.
Well, I thought I was doing that by talking to fellow Pearl Jam fans.
I believe I even stated that from the begining. I said something like, I just wanted to ask some questions.
Maybe next time.
I thought the plan was to draw terrorist out of the Afghan Mountains into the cities of Iraq. Better to fight them there not here. I don't agree with that plan but does anyone know how that fight is going?
this is the statement i had in mind when thinking about the information youre receiving. and always, always take whatever you read here and other places with a healthy amount of scepticism. don't discount it completely unless youre certain it sounds like bullshit. look into it yourself as well and come to your own conclusion. it's all about balance. and absolutely if youre not sure ask. we is (mostly) all friends here.
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take a good look
this could be the day
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lie beside me
i just need to say
Well opium production in Afghanistan is at it's highest EVER. and that's up 50% from last year.
So all this propaganda you see about troops spraying and bulldozing fields appears to be window dressing bullshit.
All time record opium production coming out of Afghanistan and world consumption has remained the same, so it is not a supply and demand thing.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I thought the plan was to draw terrorist out of the Afghan Mountains into the cities of Iraq. Better to fight them there not here. I don't agree with that plan but does anyone know how that fight is going?
this is the statement i had in mind when thinking about the information youre receiving. and always, always take whatever you read here and other places with a healthy amount of scepticism. don't discount it completely unless youre certain it sounds like bullshit. look into it yourself as well and come to your own conclusion. it's all about balance. and absolutely if youre not sure ask. we is (mostly) all friends here.
Sometimes when I read this statement that I made it makes me feel like maybe I was being somewhat sarcastic. I want my president to have some personal accountability. What does winning the war or losing the war mean? See what I'm saying? My son being involved doesn't make it any easier. It's like I want so much to believe.
Thanks again for the chat.
We invaded a soverign country without just cause, without world support, who's neighbors happen to hate us more than life itself and then we stay there.
We should have put all our time, effort, and manpower into Afghanistan. Thats the country that housed those that attached and killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11.
You dont put Mr. Rodgers in charge of a prison gang. You put the biggest, baddest motherfucker who will do whatever it takes to keep people in line in charge. Some countries need Saddams.
Not well thought out.
When I read this I have to admit I somewhat cringed. Then I remembered an Iraqi girl who fell in love with the wrong boy. The Iraqi men took her from her home and beat her with rocks until she was dead. She was only 17 and the Iraqi police stood by and watched her be beat to death.
No, I don't have a link to this story but maybe I will hang out here until my kid gets home from Iraq and I will get better at message boarding.
Something else I've wondered...
...
If people have so much faith in our governemt to be able to successfully conduct and manage logistica and operations as huge and complicated as a war... then, surely they must believe the government is fully capable of handling something less complicated... such as National Healthcare... right?
If I'm wrong... why or how?
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Something else I've wondered...
...
If people have so much faith in our governemt to be able to successfully conduct and manage logistica and operations as huge and complicated as a war... then, surely they must believe the government is fully capable of handling something less complicated... such as National Healthcare... right?
If I'm wrong... why or how?
Should be. Everyone else has figured it out. Apparently that's not the issue. $$$ and greed is the issue. News flash.: In America people are not the priority. When a society does not place the health of it;s citizens as priority, the whole system fucks up. Disagree? Well let me tell you nothing matters in life outside of being healthy. This is 100% certainty. Nothing. Think I'm full of shite? Watch somebody you love die, and then try to tell me otherwise.
hey...is this mic on?
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Every night on the news it's nothing but flag covered caskets coming home from iraq...
and the way they won't shut up about wire tapping and outing CIA agents...
And if I see one more anti war protest on the eveng news...
oh wait a minute, it's the exact oppisite.
"liberal media" are buzz words folks. always has been.
Right wing puppets like Rupert Murdoch own 70% of the world's newspapers , radio and tv stations. And networks are owned by companies that pollute and make guidence systems for bombs that kill iraqi civilians. Are these the liberals you're all talking about?
If anything, they're not reporting the worst news from iraq.
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going to war with Afghanistan, yes. with Iraq, no.
reason being the anti nuke scenario was essentially non existent... It doesn't get any easier than now... It really doesn't.
neo-cons 50 years from now will look back and masturbate to this post...
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I will take that question. It sucks! Everybody talks something different about the war. I don't know what to believe.
I thought the plan was to draw terrorist out of the Afghan Mountains into the cities of Iraq. Better to fight them there not here. I don't agree with that plan but does anyone know how that fight is going?
About as well as the hunt for Bin Laden.
Arab Militants Join fight in Afghanistan By KATHY GANNON, Associated Press Writer
Sun Jun 24, 2:30 PM ET
JALALABAD, Afghanistan - Arab Islamic radicals who fled Afghanistan in the U.S.-led invasion are coming back, eager to support suicide bombers in their increasingly frequent and effective attacks on Western and Afghan forces.
In both Iraq and Afghanistan, young militants feel that "Allah's victory seems to be drawing near" and see parallels with the stalemating of the Soviet army in Afghanistan in the 1980s and its ultimate withdrawal, said Michael Scheuer, a former CIA official who until 2004 headed a team that searched for Osama bin Laden.
Al-Qaida is bringing back fighters it sent home after the post-9/11 invasion, he said. Al-Qaida leaders have written that "it would take three or four years to get the insurgency restarted. They seem to be pretty much on schedule and are bringing more fighters back into the theater," he said.
Seth Jones, counterinsurgency expert at the U.S.-based Rand Corporation, said the influx is in the dozens or low hundreds, but is increasing, along with a fervor reminiscent of the 1980s, when Arabs such as the Saudi-born bin Laden flocked to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets.
Attacks have surged. From Jan. 1 to May 31, 2006, 11 suicide attacks took 63 lives. In the same period of this year, 42 attacks killed 171 people, according to AP compiled statistics.
San Antonio 04/03, Raleigh 04/03, Dallas 06/03, Gorge 09/05, Vancouver 09/05, LA II 07/06, Tampa 06/08, Chicago II 08/09, ACL 10/09, Vedder solo 1&2 10/12, Dallas 11/13, ACL 10/14 1&2, OKC 2022, ATX 9/23 1&2
But Iraq is nowhere near Afghanistan.
it isn't? :rolleyes:
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So, we are making enemies faster then we can kill them?
Afghanistan is closer to Iraq then America, no?
We should have put all our time, effort, and manpower into Afghanistan. Thats the country that housed those that attached and killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11.
You dont put Mr. Rodgers in charge of a prison gang. You put the biggest, baddest motherfucker who will do whatever it takes to keep people in line in charge. Some countries need Saddams.
Not well thought out.
yeah but the point being made(correct me if im wrong steve) was that iraq and afghanistan don't even share a common border. there's a big ol' other country between them. so the idea that the americans were hoping to draw terrorists out of the afghani mountains to fight in iraqi cities is a dumb one.
it also assumes that the iranians would allow the transit of such terrorists through their country. which of course would lend credence to the idea that iran is evil. and garnering more support for a possible invasion of iran because of such complicity. of course these terrorists could always go around iran trekking through four countries and across the caspian sea, to enter iraq from the north. however im more prone to think it's an idiotic plan.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
It's not easy being a parent that is against the war and her son decided to join the fight. I'm just asking some questions.
So, why are we in Iraq fighting a war?
The idea of the previous poster's was ludicrous simply because it has no basis in reality.
well yeah, there was that too.
and quite frankly steve i dont think that reality has any place in a post 9/11 world.
stupidity and lack of vision. a little bit of greed and delusions of grandeur.
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Hey, I'm just telling you guys what I'm told.
That's my thinking too. Thanks for the chat. I'm just missing my son.
See ya
with respect, you need to get another source. perhaps one without ulterior motives.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Well, I thought I was doing that by talking to fellow Pearl Jam fans.
I believe I even stated that from the begining. I said something like, I just wanted to ask some questions.
Maybe next time.
I thought the plan was to draw terrorist out of the Afghan Mountains into the cities of Iraq. Better to fight them there not here. I don't agree with that plan but does anyone know how that fight is going?
this is the statement i had in mind when thinking about the information youre receiving. and always, always take whatever you read here and other places with a healthy amount of scepticism. don't discount it completely unless youre certain it sounds like bullshit. look into it yourself as well and come to your own conclusion. it's all about balance. and absolutely if youre not sure ask. we is (mostly) all friends here.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Who told you this? Have you got a link?
And I hope your son makes it back safe.
you people and your links. :rolleyes: don't you all ever read a book or a journal?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
So all this propaganda you see about troops spraying and bulldozing fields appears to be window dressing bullshit.
All time record opium production coming out of Afghanistan and world consumption has remained the same, so it is not a supply and demand thing.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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to Cheney and Bush.
We'll never see it. It's classified information, hanging somewhere in the executive branch of a tree, somewhere.
I don't know where I heard this. I have been and my son have been told so much shit the last 12 months.
Thanks for the well wishes for my son. His name is Shawn.
Sometimes when I read this statement that I made it makes me feel like maybe I was being somewhat sarcastic. I want my president to have some personal accountability. What does winning the war or losing the war mean? See what I'm saying? My son being involved doesn't make it any easier. It's like I want so much to believe.
Thanks again for the chat.
When I read this I have to admit I somewhat cringed. Then I remembered an Iraqi girl who fell in love with the wrong boy. The Iraqi men took her from her home and beat her with rocks until she was dead. She was only 17 and the Iraqi police stood by and watched her be beat to death.
No, I don't have a link to this story but maybe I will hang out here until my kid gets home from Iraq and I will get better at message boarding.
...
If people have so much faith in our governemt to be able to successfully conduct and manage logistica and operations as huge and complicated as a war... then, surely they must believe the government is fully capable of handling something less complicated... such as National Healthcare... right?
If I'm wrong... why or how?
Hail, Hail!!!
Should be. Everyone else has figured it out. Apparently that's not the issue. $$$ and greed is the issue. News flash.: In America people are not the priority. When a society does not place the health of it;s citizens as priority, the whole system fucks up. Disagree? Well let me tell you nothing matters in life outside of being healthy. This is 100% certainty. Nothing. Think I'm full of shite? Watch somebody you love die, and then try to tell me otherwise.
hey...is this mic on?
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
Every night on the news it's nothing but flag covered caskets coming home from iraq...
and the way they won't shut up about wire tapping and outing CIA agents...
And if I see one more anti war protest on the eveng news...
oh wait a minute, it's the exact oppisite.
"liberal media" are buzz words folks. always has been.
Right wing puppets like Rupert Murdoch own 70% of the world's newspapers , radio and tv stations. And networks are owned by companies that pollute and make guidence systems for bombs that kill iraqi civilians. Are these the liberals you're all talking about?
If anything, they're not reporting the worst news from iraq.