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  • wcsmithwcsmith Posts: 165
    wow. that's powerful.
    "I'll ride the wave where it takes me"
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

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  • PJ_LukinPJ_Lukin Posts: 2,055
    g under p wrote:
    Was that from today's rally?

    Peace
    Yes it was.

    A supporter holds a sign for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., Tuesday, Oct. 28, 2008, at a rally in Chester, Pa.
    (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)
    ~!~ Peace ~!~ Love ~!~ Pearl Jam ~!~
  • SpeakersSpeakers Posts: 252
    That is awesome. I can't say anything more.
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    This reminds me of something...election day in South Africa, Nelson Mandela running for president. The blacks, Basotho,zulu,Xhosa,Bantu and so on were happy, they had sooooooo much hope, I mean you could feel the energy, the hope they had

    They were cheering on the streets during voting day, and of course Mandela won! Then after a little while they saw that things were not really any better.

    The crime rate soared to the highest crime rates in the world, I mean rapes, murders, robery all shot up to insane amounts. Very quickly they lost that hope.

    Now the crime rate in the US wont sky rocket or anything, but I'm pretty sure that all the hope will fade very quickly once they see that the hope was false, because the man speaking about it really is not different enough to really bring this great change, just happy talk with no real solutions.

    In South Africa they just wanted a black president, they never demanded anything else, they just would hear "hope, change, new" and went with it.
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Huh. I don't get it. An Obama supporter holding up a sign that says Hope. It seems like that's something we've seen constantly for the past year and a half.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • PJ_LukinPJ_Lukin Posts: 2,055
    jeffbr wrote:
    Huh. I don't get it. An Obama supporter holding up a sign that says Hope. It seems like that's something we've seen constantly for the past year and a half.
    You might have to go just a little deeper than that.
    ~!~ Peace ~!~ Love ~!~ Pearl Jam ~!~
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    jeffbr wrote:
    Huh. I don't get it. An Obama supporter holding up a sign that says Hope. It seems like that's something we've seen constantly for the past year and a half.

    I don't get it either and I'm an Obama supporter. I'm not even convinced the facial expression is that of emotion--looks like he was caught "in action" while changing expressions (we've all cringed at photos like that of ourselves). Even if the facial expression is one of the emotion that most indicate, I still don't get it. A lot of people (not me, but some) get emotional in the presence of their favorite candidate.
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • Uncle Leo wrote:
    I don't get it either and I'm an Obama supporter. I'm not even convinced the facial expression is that of emotion--looks like he was caught "in action" while changing expressions (we've all cringed at photos like that of ourselves). Even if the facial expression is one of the emotion that most indicate, I still don't get it. A lot of people (not me, but some) get emotional in the presence of their favorite candidate.

    I'm with you too... Like music or video or really anything else, images evoke different reactions and emotions in different people.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    MrBrian wrote:
    This reminds me of something...election day in South Africa, Nelson Mandela running for president. The blacks, Basotho,zulu,Xhosa,Bantu and so on were happy, they had sooooooo much hope, I mean you could feel the energy, the hope they had

    They were cheering on the streets during voting day, and of course Mandela won! Then after a little while they saw that things were not really any better.

    The crime rate soared to the highest crime rates in the world, I mean rapes, murders, robery all shot up to insane amounts. Very quickly they lost that hope.

    Now the crime rate in the US wont sky rocket or anything, but I'm pretty sure that all the hope will fade very quickly once they see that the hope was false, because the man speaking about it really is not different enough to really bring this great change, just happy talk with no real solutions.

    In South Africa they just wanted a black president, they never demanded anything else, they just would hear "hope, change, new" and went with it.

    I know.... that Nelson Mandela... who did he think he was? He's just another regular black guy. I swear, they'll vote in ANYBODY just because he's black. I think Sarah Palin would have been a much better choice.
  • PJ_LukinPJ_Lukin Posts: 2,055
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    I don't get it either and I'm an Obama supporter. I'm not even convinced the facial expression is that of emotion--looks like he was caught "in action" while changing expressions (we've all cringed at photos like that of ourselves). Even if the facial expression is one of the emotion that most indicate, I still don't get it. A lot of people (not me, but some) get emotional in the presence of their favorite candidate.
    I guess I thought the people who frequented moving train had a little better insight into how significant this election will be to history of the USA. I am glad to see my country finally acknowledge with their votes, that all men are in fact created equal. Maybe it is because I am a bit older and have witnessed the worst of the USA, who knows. I do know that next Tuesday, if you see me sometime around 11:00 PM EST, you will see a nearly 50 year old man proudly shedding tears of joy.
    ~!~ Peace ~!~ Love ~!~ Pearl Jam ~!~
  • Gonzo1977Gonzo1977 Posts: 1,696
    Next Tuesday will be one of Proudest Moments in United States History. It will signal a direct shift in this country and prove that our once disgraceful hatred and racial intolerance has weakend. It signals that anything is possible and that over time we can overcome anything if we just work towards love and understanding.
  • brandon10brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    I guess I thought the people who frequented moving train had a little better insight into how significant this election will be to history of the USA. I am glad to see my country finally acknowledge with their votes, that all men are in fact created equal. Maybe it is because I am a bit older and have witnessed the worst of the USA, who knows. I do know that next Tuesday, if you see me sometime around 11:00 PM EST, you will see a nearly 50 year old man proudly shredding tears of joy.


    The picture doesn't affect me. I'm not voting for Obama because he is black. I'm voting for him because I think he is the best candidate.

    I understand the significance of the election of a black man. But that has absolutely no bearing on my vote. I

    It bothers me as much that some may be voting for Obama just because he is black as it does that they'll vote against him because he is black. That said, I think the neo-cons have been pushing the second part of that sentence whereas Obama has done very little to stir up the racial vote.
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    I guess I thought the people who frequented moving train had a little better insight into how significant this election will be to history of the USA. I am glad to see my country finally acknowledge with their votes, that all men are in fact created equal. Maybe it is because I am a bit older and have witnessed the worst of the USA, who knows. I do know that next Tuesday, if you see me sometime around 11:00 PM EST, you will see a nearly 50 year old man proudly shredding tears of joy.

    This all makes some assumptions about this guy. Some pre-judging based on his race, if you will. For all I know he's just an emotional democrat who did the same thing four years ago at a Kerry rally.
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    Gonzo1977 wrote:
    Next Tuesday will be one of Proudest Moments in United States History. It will signal a direct shift in this country and prove that our once disgraceful hatred and racial intolerance has weakend. It signals that anything is possible and that over time we can overcome anything if we just work towards love and understanding.
    (He's gonna lose)
    I cannot come up with a new sig till I get this egg off my face.
  • SpeakersSpeakers Posts: 252
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    I guess I thought the people who frequented moving train had a little better insight into how significant this election will be to history of the USA. I am glad to see my country finally acknowledge with their votes, that all men are in fact created equal. Maybe it is because I am a bit older and have witnessed the worst of the USA, who knows. I do know that next Tuesday, if you see me sometime around 11:00 PM EST, you will see a nearly 50 year old man proudly shredding tears of joy.

    People don't understand that electing Obama could be as significant for the rest of the world as anything else. I know the NYtimes had a brief story on this but I had the same experience when I was speaking with a university professor friend from China last night and she said the same thing. I've also spent considerable time in Asia and know that this is the prevailing belief. "Why might America elect a black president? I thought black people were all poor and white people didn't like black people. Why would white people give him money?" She was very confused when I told her I contributed money to him.

    Like it or not, countries look to America for leadership. If we send this message of acceptance, it will do more to change people's view of our country and their own cultural assumptions than anything since the civil rights movement in my opinion.
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    scb wrote:
    I know.... that Nelson Mandela... who did he think he was? He's just another regular black guy. I swear, they'll vote in ANYBODY just because he's black. I think Sarah Palin would have been a much better choice.

    I never said that about Mandela, but my point is that the ANC gave words of hope with no real solutions on the table, It's just a fact.

    The ANC and IFP had quite a lot of corruption, are you going to argue this? Do you even know what you are talking about?

    My point being that voting for the ANC was simply not the best choice. Words of hope goes only so far.

    But the country just didnt want another white government and the smaller/better parties had no real chance of winning. So they voted in the ANC with no demands and got scewed.

    Like people are voting for the dems now making almost no demands.
  • anothercloneanotherclone Posts: 1,688
    PJ_Lukin wrote:

    I'd like to add some context for folks that might be wondering why this *might* be a big deal.

    According to politico.com, 9,000 people stood in a rainstorm to listen to Obama speak in PA today. By comparison, McCain, who also had a rally in PA, cancelled due to "weather".

    I would assume this picture represents one of the 9000 in the rain. :)
  • JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    PJ_Lukin, thanks for the pic. It is a beautiful pic. I am trying not to get too excited yet, but I am a little.
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    PJ_Lukin wrote:


    today is the 5th anniversary of Bob Hope's death... that guy still seems pretty upset about it.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • brandon10brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    MrBrian wrote:
    I never said that about Mandela, but my point is that the ANC gave words of hope with no real solutions on the table, It's just a fact.

    The ANC and IFP had quite a lot of corruption, are you going to argue this? Do you even know what you are talking about?

    My point being that voting for the ANC was simply not the best choice. Words of hope goes only so far.

    But the country just didnt want another white government and the smaller/better parties had no real chance of winning. So they voted in the ANC with no demands and got scewed.

    Like people are voting for the dems now making almost no demands.


    While you aren't totally wrong in your comparison, I do think Obama has better plans than McCain. He is on the right track. I'm still quite worried about our foreign policy though. Although I think it will be much better, we need to get ALL our bases out of the middle east and quit promoting and supporting Israel. Obama is a step in the right direction.

    How are things in South Africa now? I really don't know.
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    JaneNY wrote:
    PJ_Lukin, thanks for the pic. It is a beautiful pic. I am trying not to get too excited yet, but I am a little.

    Really, why do you find it beautiful? Black guy crying holding up a board that reads 'hope'. A word turned slogan by a politician used to inspire the masses to vote for him.

    I mean imagine how powful that picture would be if that card showed some great policy Obama came up with or something. Not just a cult like chant that makes people who see it cry because he brainwashed into people.

    Now of course Obama really has no great Policies to put on a board could be the reason. Just words of inspiration. 'Hope' 'Change' 'fund the war' 'support the patriot act' 'israel my friend'

    But hey, he's no McCain. (Now that would make a nice board)
  • yokeyoke Posts: 1,440
    dunkman wrote:
    today is the 5th anniversary of Bob Hope's death... that guy still seems pretty upset about it.


    who isn't?
    Thats a lovely accent you have. New Jersey?

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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    brandon10 wrote:
    While you aren't totally wrong in your comparison, I do think Obama has better plans than McCain. He is on the right track. I'm still quite worried about our foreign policy though. Although I think it will be much better, we need to get ALL our bases out of the middle east and quit promoting and supporting Israel. Obama is a step in the right direction.

    How are things in South Africa now? I really don't know.

    I hear yeah.
    ---

    As far as how things are in SA? lot's of Xenophobia, killing Foreigners for "stealing jobs", crime rate still up. Government corruption. American companies open then close very quickly. Rolling Black outs.

    But they do have the next Soccer World Cup
  • anothercloneanotherclone Posts: 1,688
    MrBrian wrote:
    Now of course Obama really has no great Policies to put on a board could be the reason. Just words of inspiration. 'Hope' 'Change' 'fund the war' 'support the patriot act' 'israel my friend'

    But hey, he's no McCain. (Now that would make a nice board)

    Probably all the policies wouldn't acutally fit on a board. Just sayin. :p
  • QuestionAuthorityQuestionAuthority Idaho Posts: 327
    PJ_Lukin wrote:
    I guess I thought the people who frequented moving train had a little better insight into how significant this election will be to history of the USA. I am glad to see my country finally acknowledge with their votes, that all men are in fact created equal. Maybe it is because I am a bit older and have witnessed the worst of the USA, who knows. I do know that next Tuesday, if you see me sometime around 11:00 PM EST, you will see a nearly 50 year old man proudly shedding tears of joy.



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  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    Speakers wrote:
    People don't understand that electing Obama could be as significant for the rest of the world as anything else. I know the NYtimes had a brief story on this but I had the same experience when I was speaking with a university professor friend from China last night and she said the same thing. I've also spent considerable time in Asia and know that this is the prevailing belief. "Why might America elect a black president? I thought black people were all poor and white people didn't like black people. Why would white people give him money?" She was very confused when I told her I contributed money to him.

    Like it or not, countries look to America for leadership. If we send this message of acceptance, it will do more to change people's view of our country and their own cultural assumptions than anything since the civil rights movement in my opinion.

    With an Obama leadership it will be easier for America to rape Africa and the rest of the world of it's natural resources, nothing about Obama and his policies indicate a change from the past presidents, he's just a friendly face for the people who brought the world friendly fire.

    America will present itself to the world as fair,just and equal...simply because they were able to elect a black man to a white house, forgetting that he will still be owned by corporations and be guided by the only colours that matter to America, the green paper and the black liquid, I feel sorry for the American people who believe that Obama has anything to do with change

    Are the American people more accepting now? No, they are just ready to be fooled by a new face. Perhaps that's change.
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