The poor little lame duck. Sad, almost. He got more positive feedback from the Democrats. Dana Rohrabacher (R CA) wouldn't even applaud for the immigration section, let alone stand up like the rest of his party.
So he was receiving positive feedback from Democrats and there was some Republican dissent...
What exactly were you waiting for? Overwhelming Republican support and stauch objection from Democrats? Or do you bitch reguardless?
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Combining a short-term solution for immediate needs with a long-term search for future alternative sources is a decent plan. The oil from non-foreign sources is needed right away, and this is one source. Sure, we need to look ahead but that (the technology on a widespread scale) is years away.
i recall in the 1960s people saying the same thing about humans on the moon. when the US decides to make something a priority and is willing to put its money where its mouth is, it gets done. so far, no one seems serious about that. far as im concerned that rhetoric is simply 1) a cop out for people who dont want to change the status quo (werent you all the ones saying dems were cowards about trying new things on social security?) or 2) a lack of faith in american ingenuity (arent the right supposed to be the ones who think we're the greatest, most invincible nation of all time?).
Is a short-term solution and a long-term solution necessarily mutually exclusive? That's what I don't get about the entire argument. Again, I am biased but it's why I view the left as disingenuous. You can have a long term goal while also dealing with presant day reality. He is proposing both...short term and long term solutions...to me, that's living in reality.
What has he proposed for any kind of long term solution? The 20% reduction he just came up with?
The whole Alaska thing was simply silly. Almost everyone said it was at best a short term solution, and would not even really reduce the number of barrels of foreign oil we'd bring in. I truly think you "gotta do what you gotta do" sometimes but when you constantly piss on the environment and propose this as your best solution... Give me a break.
When you chip away for something bigger and better I can see the logic. When your chipping away and have nothing to show for it, you are simply wasting time and resources.
i recall in the 1960s people saying the same thing about humans on the moon. when the US decides to make something a priority and is willing to put its money where its mouth is, it gets done. so far, no one seems serious about that. far as im concerned that rhetoric is simply 1) a cop out for people who dont want to change the status quo (werent you all the ones saying dems were cowards about trying new things on social security?) or 2) a lack of faith in american ingenuity (arent the right supposed to be the ones who think we're the greatest, most invincible nation of all time?).
I agree that he's kind of thrown bones out there regarding alternative fuels, but this oil-addiction didn't start in Jan 2001 when he took office.
There needs to be real tax incentives for alternative fuel research, maybe combined with gov't grants and gov't research.
I like to see that most of you took the time to listen to the speech. There are some things that make a lot of sense. We all know that we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Let's work on doing something about it. It was a little different to see some of the straight Party lines broken. This is the only way that things will change.
There needs to be real tax incentives for alternative fuel research, maybe combined with gov't grants and gov't research.
exactly. if he was offering that, id be a-ok with artic drilling in the interim. but he's not. he's talking about artic drilling while paying lip service to empty promise about alternatives. if he shows me serious, ill take him seriously. but not until then.
I agree that he's kind of thrown bones out there regarding alternative fuels, but this oil-addiction didn't start in Jan 2001 when he took office.
There needs to be real tax incentives for alternative fuel research, maybe combined with gov't grants and gov't research.
I totally agree.
I, unlike many, don't JUST blame the republicans on this. I do think they have done LESS, but the dems are no saints either.
There is no question that a legit alternative fuel source is years off, but I really believe that if we gave incentive, research funding, and some serious money, it could be done in a fraction of the time.
I'm not really sure why alternative fuels as an issue is divisive. Anyone who thinks about it for 5 seconds realizes (from any point of view, except Exxon's - unless they develope alt fuel technology!) that it is in everyone's best interest. Well, I know why - it's politics.
Terrorism could be ended overnight if we stopped using oil.
What else is oil for? Mother nature gives it to us so why not use it until it's gone?
Why the hatred for oil? Everyone basically associates it with vehicles... What else is it used for? Why keep yourselves up at night over oil?
No hatred for oil here. The internal combustion engine gave birth to a level of comfort and ability to travel like man would have never seen without it. Everone would be walking across deserts and living in tribes if it weren't for the engine and oil.
Time changes. Right now, we buy oil and it's funding the very terrorism that we're fighting. Also, it's a finite source, and it's only wise planning to plan for oil's replacement before it runs out.
There's also the "humans are destroying the earth" folks, but I'm not on board with that. Climate change, I believe, may be occuring, but I'm not so sure to what degree man is contributing to it.
What else is oil for? Mother nature gives it to us so why not use it until it's gone?
Why the hatred for oil? Everyone basically associates it with vehicles... What else is it used for? Why keep yourselves up at night over oil?
It funds the people we often fight in seemingly pointless wars whereby killing thousands if not millions of people, it's by no means good for any aspect of the environment, etc. etc. etc.
It benefits each of us in that if allows us to drive our cars, heat our homes, and make products that can all be done using other materials.
It funds the people we often fight in seemingly pointless wars whereby killing thousands if not millions of people, it's by no means good for any aspect of the environment, etc. etc. etc.
I have to take serious issue with that statement. If mother earth provides us oil, then how can it possibly be bad for the environment? Oil seeps into the oceans each day by amounts we can't even begin to fathom. Media hype and video footage of a few dead pigeons and sea otters after an oil spill is no reason to assume that oil is bad for the environment.
The part about it "funds the people we often fight in seemingly pointless wars whereby killing thousands if not millions of people" may be more of a ramble than anything else. Looking forward towards alternative energy is a great thing, and I hope we find it alternative means. Those will be great to have once we've exhausted every ounce of oil mother nature has provided us.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
No hatred for oil here. The internal combustion engine gave birth to a level of comfort and ability to travel like man would have never seen without it. Everone would be walking across deserts and living in tribes if it weren't for the engine and oil.
Time changes. Right now, we buy oil and it's funding the very terrorism that we're fighting. Also, it's a finite source, and it's only wise planning to plan for oil's replacement before it runs out.
There's also the "humans are destroying the earth" folks, but I'm not on board with that. Climate change, I believe, may be occuring, but I'm not so sure to what degree man is contributing to it.
I see more leverage in your arguement. Yet I'm still not completely sure that we're totally incapable of supplying our own oil. The leading reason I believe we are unable to is because environmentalist whackos in this country do everything in their power to prevent us from drilling for it. Are you willing to make the arguement that sea coral and a few wild caribou are more important than the millions you claim die around the world fighting for the very oil we block ourselves from extracting?
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
I have to take serious issue with that statement. If mother earth provides us oil, then how can it possibly be bad for the environment? Oil seeps into the oceans each day by amounts we can't even begin to fathom. Media hype and video footage of a few dead pigeons and sea otters after an oil spill is no reason to assume that oil is bad for the environment.
The part about it "funds the people we often fight in seemingly pointless wars whereby killing thousands if not millions of people" may be more of a ramble than anything else. Looking forward towards alternative energy is a great thing, and I hope we find it alternative means. Those will be great to have once we've exhausted every ounce of oil mother nature has provided us.
First of all you saying that oil can't be bad if mother nature supplies it is simply absurd. Sure we take advantage of the biological decay that has led to our ability to drive our cars, but to say oil is not bad for the environment...what?!?!
There is a reason why the oil is miles below the surface. a) That's how things work. Plants, animals, and carbon based life forms die and something will eventually cover it up. Over millions of years with a tremendous amount of pressure things take on a different form. b) If it wasn't there'd be no life on earth. We simply could not exist among pools and oceans of oil. c) Burning oil = not good for anything living, other then our own conveniences.
It's simply true, the US obtains a lot of oil from foreign sources, some of which come out of the Middle East. Some of these very people that sit on top of oil fortunes have been known in the past to fund organizations that we end up waging war on. Some terrorist organizations. (See Saudi Arabia) And don't give me some liberal BS...most staunch conservatives know this.
Btw, have you ever taken any Geology or Biology courses?
I see more leverage in your arguement. Yet I'm still not completely sure that we're totally incapable of supplying our own oil. The leading reason I believe we are unable to is because environmentalist whackos in this country do everything in their power to prevent us from drilling for it. Are you willing to make the arguement that sea coral and a few wild caribou are more important than the millions you claim die around the world fighting for the very oil we block ourselves from extracting?
So where is this oil going to come from?
I'm no fan of the oil industry, but if it was feasible it would be happening.
And no, I've never been to school. What are these Geology and Biology classes you speak of? My neighbor has a Geo if that's what you're asking?
Didn't you say oil came from the Earth? Ok, I'd like to use that as part of my argument. ANWR, Permian Basin, Illinois Basin, off the Florida coast, Texas, Gulf of Mexico... Actually... Can I ask you where there isn't oil?
Oh, and Long Live Bush! 100 more years! Long Live Bush! 100 more years!
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
And no, I've never been to school. What are these Geology and Biology classes you speak of? My neighbor has a Geo if that's what you're asking?
Didn't you say oil came from the Earth? Ok, I'd like to use that as part of my argument. ANWR, Permian Basin, Illinois Basin, off the Florida coast, Texas, Gulf of Mexico... Actually... Can I ask you where there isn't oil?
Oh, and Long Live Bush! 100 more years! Long Live Bush! 100 more years!
"That's all you had to say."
Well, no. I actually two (one lengthy) comments in response to your replies.
For the country that uses the most oil in the world, these oil sites you have mentioned can't produce enough for the demand.
You can't just randomly drill and get oil. Hell, we're not the Beverly Fuckin' Hillbillies!
You are aware that some oil drilling sites run dry right?
bush squandered any political capital/benefit of the doubt he ever had when he got into that mess in iraq. the opposition was steamrolled on that issue and it turned into such a clusterfuck that nobody was going to trust his judgment on anything else, and they had to stand firm to make up for their past mistakes. he blew it in 02 for himself. if he had stuck to his guns in afghanistan and tried to "spread freedom and democracy" there, we'd have a probably viable islamic democracy now, we'd all be patting him on the back, osama would have just been hung instead of hussein, and all his other policies would have been rubber stamped into approval. this was of dubya's making. he made iraq the central issue in american politics and he can pay the price for that. in the midst of a very expensive and uncertain war is not the time to be making sweeping overhauls of the nation's budget and finances.
Don't bring logic and intelligence into this discussion. You know better that to do that on the MT.
"That's all you had to say."
Well, no. I actually two (one lengthy) comments in response to your replies.
For the country that uses the most oil in the world, these oil sites you have mentioned can't produce enough for the demand.
You can't just randomly drill and get oil. Hell, we're not the Beverly Fuckin' Hillbillies!
You are aware that some oil drilling sites run dry right?
Some of those sites mentioned have yet to be explored. Some have been severely limited because of the tree hugging left lobbying to have it that way or even stopped. And yes, some sites do run dry, much like the world supply hasn't.
But, I've already seen some of your other post. You're an environmentalist. Like I said, that's all you had to say.
And I'm pretty sure you can randomly drill for oil and find it. Read a little bit about the beginnings of the oil industry in Texas. The early "barons" would buy random plots of land they thought may house oil deposits, lease machinery and manpower, and wala, oil. A lot of these guys often would spend the last penny in their pocket in search of oil. Many died deep into debt. Some were lucky and struck paydirt. Of course most of these people are now resented and cursed on a daily basis by people like you. Of course for the sake of argument, some of these plots didn't contain oil, but you already knew that.
So, while you're at it, tell me more about the Beverly Fuckin' Hillbillies!
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
I didn't read through all the posts, but I just wanted to say that those State of the Union speeches are so phony you can smell it through the tv screen. I mean, you know that half of the politicians there don't agree with Bush on a lot of issues, but how many rounds of applause were there? How many standing ovations? (and I'm not talking about when he was talking about the hometown heroes). You know that all of them are forced to kiss Bush's ass and they'll just nod and clap rather than not clap for their own, or even better, the People's, opinion.
I see more leverage in your arguement. Yet I'm still not completely sure that we're totally incapable of supplying our own oil. The leading reason I believe we are unable to is because environmentalist whackos in this country do everything in their power to prevent us from drilling for it. Are you willing to make the arguement that sea coral and a few wild caribou are more important than the millions you claim die around the world fighting for the very oil we block ourselves from extracting?
I stated earlier that domestic drilling for current needs (ie the Arctic, the gulf), while preparing future resources, is a viable plan. Oil is finite and its only wise & reasonable to plan for its unavailability before it's gone.
I like that they want to make earmarks public and voted on. That should seriously help with balancing the budget. Balancing the budget without rasing taxes means they actually would have to be accountable for being on budget meaning $300,000 to fix Joes Plumbing in NYC on the back end of a transportation bill is no longer feaseable.
I hate NCLB. I think it's a waste of money and resources and the problems continue, teachers are now bound worse than ever to teach to ridiculous tests.
I pretty much missed most of the rest while I was working out until he recognised Mutombo. I was a little disapointed he didn't give a finger wag though.
Very nice pleasent introductions by both Nancy Pelosi and the President. Classy.
My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
that because like most of the other liberals around here, thats all you CAN hear with your head firmly planted up your ass...
he he, I haven't heard this one in awhile...I bet us here liberals hate freedom, too...
perhaps you could take the time to share what you took away from that happy little speech...oh, wait, that would mean you'd have to think...sorry...:cool:
So he was receiving positive feedback from Democrats and there was some Republican dissent...
What exactly were you waiting for? Overwhelming Republican support and stauch objection from Democrats? Or do you bitch reguardless?
Aww, don't get so upset. Yes, I'd probably bitch regardless.
I was just commenting on the fact that his political power has dwindled so much that he's got a better chance of connecting with Democrats on immigration due to the fact that Republicans up for re-election in 2008 are running from him and his "surge" idea. 2002 approval rating going into the SOTU: 82%. Approval rating going into SOTU: 34%.
I did notice that his usual swagger/arrogance was absent for the most part, as were the tough guy slogans he'd normally be spouting.
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
that because like most of the other liberals around here, thats all you CAN hear with your head firmly planted up your ass...
I can honestly say that I have never, not one time in my life, had my head nor the head of anyone else, in my ass or any other part of my body. I do not consider myself a full fledged Liberal, although I do have Liberal leaning thoughts. I still think that Bush's attempt to center himself was weak and extremely transparent. He is trying so hard to salvage some sort of legacy that will not place him as one of, if not the worst ever US President. 1-20-09
I like that they want to make earmarks public and voted on. That should seriously help with balancing the budget. Balancing the budget without rasing taxes means they actually would have to be accountable for being on budget meaning $300,000 to fix Joes Plumbing in NYC on the back end of a transportation bill is no longer feaseable.
Yeah I caught that too. It appears as though our congress is in some serious need of reform.. That should be a step in the right direction.
What else is oil for? Mother nature gives it to us so why not use it until it's gone?
Why the hatred for oil? Everyone basically associates it with vehicles... What else is it used for? Why keep yourselves up at night over oil?
You might miss oil a bit more then you imagine. Apart from its use in heating and manufacturing processes etc., oil is still the most efficient way to produce plastics. Plastics are integreal to future technological development (including the technologies we are going to need when we run out of oil).
Our very liberal useage of oil is what has probably allowed us to advance our civilisation to its current extent- so I am not hating oil. Oil is, however, a non-renewable resource. And before too long burning oil is going to be thought of as an absolute waste of a very valuable resource. So why not, whilst we still have plenty of oil left, take the steps to develop alternative technologies now. Because doing it without the ready supplies of oil will be a hell of a lot harder.
And in case you don't think we are actually going to run out of oil... contemplate this.
A 1997 report stated that there were about 600 million motor vehicles in the world. Having trouble visuaising that? Well put them in a hypothetical traffic jam and it would stretch 100 times around the earth. We cannot continue to feed a beast like that indefinately, especially when the number of motor vehicles is expected to double by 2030.
You might miss oil a bit more then you imagine. Apart from its use in heating and manufacturing processes etc., oil is still the most efficient way to produce plastics. Plastics are integreal to future technological development (including the technologies we are going to need when we run out of oil).
Our very liberal useage of oil is what has probably allowed us to advance our civilisation to its current extent- so I am not hating oil. Oil is, however, a non-renewable resource. And before too long burning oil is going to be thought of as an absolute waste of a very valuable resource. So why not, whilst we still have plenty of oil left, take the steps to develop alternative technologies now. Because doing it without the ready supplies of oil will be a hell of a lot harder.
And in case you don't think we are actually going to run out of oil... contemplate this.
A 1997 report stated that there were about 600 million motor vehicles in the world. Having trouble visuaising that? Well put them in a hypothetical traffic jam and it would stretch 100 times around the earth. We cannot continue to feed a beast like that indefinately, especially when the number of motor vehicles is expected to double by 2030.
Yes, I can see it all quite plainly.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
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So he was receiving positive feedback from Democrats and there was some Republican dissent...
What exactly were you waiting for? Overwhelming Republican support and stauch objection from Democrats? Or do you bitch reguardless?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
i recall in the 1960s people saying the same thing about humans on the moon. when the US decides to make something a priority and is willing to put its money where its mouth is, it gets done. so far, no one seems serious about that. far as im concerned that rhetoric is simply 1) a cop out for people who dont want to change the status quo (werent you all the ones saying dems were cowards about trying new things on social security?) or 2) a lack of faith in american ingenuity (arent the right supposed to be the ones who think we're the greatest, most invincible nation of all time?).
The whole Alaska thing was simply silly. Almost everyone said it was at best a short term solution, and would not even really reduce the number of barrels of foreign oil we'd bring in. I truly think you "gotta do what you gotta do" sometimes but when you constantly piss on the environment and propose this as your best solution... Give me a break.
When you chip away for something bigger and better I can see the logic. When your chipping away and have nothing to show for it, you are simply wasting time and resources.
I agree that he's kind of thrown bones out there regarding alternative fuels, but this oil-addiction didn't start in Jan 2001 when he took office.
There needs to be real tax incentives for alternative fuel research, maybe combined with gov't grants and gov't research.
exactly. if he was offering that, id be a-ok with artic drilling in the interim. but he's not. he's talking about artic drilling while paying lip service to empty promise about alternatives. if he shows me serious, ill take him seriously. but not until then.
I totally agree.
I, unlike many, don't JUST blame the republicans on this. I do think they have done LESS, but the dems are no saints either.
There is no question that a legit alternative fuel source is years off, but I really believe that if we gave incentive, research funding, and some serious money, it could be done in a fraction of the time.
Sadly, that's not going to happen for while.
Terrorism could be ended overnight if we stopped using oil.
Why the hatred for oil? Everyone basically associates it with vehicles... What else is it used for? Why keep yourselves up at night over oil?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
No hatred for oil here. The internal combustion engine gave birth to a level of comfort and ability to travel like man would have never seen without it. Everone would be walking across deserts and living in tribes if it weren't for the engine and oil.
Time changes. Right now, we buy oil and it's funding the very terrorism that we're fighting. Also, it's a finite source, and it's only wise planning to plan for oil's replacement before it runs out.
There's also the "humans are destroying the earth" folks, but I'm not on board with that. Climate change, I believe, may be occuring, but I'm not so sure to what degree man is contributing to it.
It funds the people we often fight in seemingly pointless wars whereby killing thousands if not millions of people, it's by no means good for any aspect of the environment, etc. etc. etc.
It benefits each of us in that if allows us to drive our cars, heat our homes, and make products that can all be done using other materials.
I have to take serious issue with that statement. If mother earth provides us oil, then how can it possibly be bad for the environment? Oil seeps into the oceans each day by amounts we can't even begin to fathom. Media hype and video footage of a few dead pigeons and sea otters after an oil spill is no reason to assume that oil is bad for the environment.
The part about it "funds the people we often fight in seemingly pointless wars whereby killing thousands if not millions of people" may be more of a ramble than anything else. Looking forward towards alternative energy is a great thing, and I hope we find it alternative means. Those will be great to have once we've exhausted every ounce of oil mother nature has provided us.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
I see more leverage in your arguement. Yet I'm still not completely sure that we're totally incapable of supplying our own oil. The leading reason I believe we are unable to is because environmentalist whackos in this country do everything in their power to prevent us from drilling for it. Are you willing to make the arguement that sea coral and a few wild caribou are more important than the millions you claim die around the world fighting for the very oil we block ourselves from extracting?
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
First of all you saying that oil can't be bad if mother nature supplies it is simply absurd. Sure we take advantage of the biological decay that has led to our ability to drive our cars, but to say oil is not bad for the environment...what?!?!
There is a reason why the oil is miles below the surface. a) That's how things work. Plants, animals, and carbon based life forms die and something will eventually cover it up. Over millions of years with a tremendous amount of pressure things take on a different form. b) If it wasn't there'd be no life on earth. We simply could not exist among pools and oceans of oil. c) Burning oil = not good for anything living, other then our own conveniences.
It's simply true, the US obtains a lot of oil from foreign sources, some of which come out of the Middle East. Some of these very people that sit on top of oil fortunes have been known in the past to fund organizations that we end up waging war on. Some terrorist organizations. (See Saudi Arabia) And don't give me some liberal BS...most staunch conservatives know this.
Btw, have you ever taken any Geology or Biology courses?
So where is this oil going to come from?
I'm no fan of the oil industry, but if it was feasible it would be happening.
Did psychoislove get a new screenname?
That's all you had to say.
And no, I've never been to school. What are these Geology and Biology classes you speak of? My neighbor has a Geo if that's what you're asking?
Didn't you say oil came from the Earth? Ok, I'd like to use that as part of my argument. ANWR, Permian Basin, Illinois Basin, off the Florida coast, Texas, Gulf of Mexico... Actually... Can I ask you where there isn't oil?
Oh, and Long Live Bush! 100 more years! Long Live Bush! 100 more years!
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
"That's all you had to say."
Well, no. I actually two (one lengthy) comments in response to your replies.
For the country that uses the most oil in the world, these oil sites you have mentioned can't produce enough for the demand.
You can't just randomly drill and get oil. Hell, we're not the Beverly Fuckin' Hillbillies!
You are aware that some oil drilling sites run dry right?
Don't bring logic and intelligence into this discussion. You know better that to do that on the MT.
Some of those sites mentioned have yet to be explored. Some have been severely limited because of the tree hugging left lobbying to have it that way or even stopped. And yes, some sites do run dry, much like the world supply hasn't.
But, I've already seen some of your other post. You're an environmentalist. Like I said, that's all you had to say.
And I'm pretty sure you can randomly drill for oil and find it. Read a little bit about the beginnings of the oil industry in Texas. The early "barons" would buy random plots of land they thought may house oil deposits, lease machinery and manpower, and wala, oil. A lot of these guys often would spend the last penny in their pocket in search of oil. Many died deep into debt. Some were lucky and struck paydirt. Of course most of these people are now resented and cursed on a daily basis by people like you. Of course for the sake of argument, some of these plots didn't contain oil, but you already knew that.
So, while you're at it, tell me more about the Beverly Fuckin' Hillbillies!
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
I just care about the issues.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
It's all a crock of shit.
I stated earlier that domestic drilling for current needs (ie the Arctic, the gulf), while preparing future resources, is a viable plan. Oil is finite and its only wise & reasonable to plan for its unavailability before it's gone.
I hate NCLB. I think it's a waste of money and resources and the problems continue, teachers are now bound worse than ever to teach to ridiculous tests.
I pretty much missed most of the rest while I was working out until he recognised Mutombo. I was a little disapointed he didn't give a finger wag though.
Very nice pleasent introductions by both Nancy Pelosi and the President. Classy.
he he, I haven't heard this one in awhile...I bet us here liberals hate freedom, too...
perhaps you could take the time to share what you took away from that happy little speech...oh, wait, that would mean you'd have to think...sorry...:cool:
Aww, don't get so upset. Yes, I'd probably bitch regardless.
I was just commenting on the fact that his political power has dwindled so much that he's got a better chance of connecting with Democrats on immigration due to the fact that Republicans up for re-election in 2008 are running from him and his "surge" idea. 2002 approval rating going into the SOTU: 82%. Approval rating going into SOTU: 34%.
I did notice that his usual swagger/arrogance was absent for the most part, as were the tough guy slogans he'd normally be spouting.
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Oh my, they dropped the leash.
Morgan Freeman/Clint Eastwood 08' for President!
"Make our day"
You might miss oil a bit more then you imagine. Apart from its use in heating and manufacturing processes etc., oil is still the most efficient way to produce plastics. Plastics are integreal to future technological development (including the technologies we are going to need when we run out of oil).
Our very liberal useage of oil is what has probably allowed us to advance our civilisation to its current extent- so I am not hating oil. Oil is, however, a non-renewable resource. And before too long burning oil is going to be thought of as an absolute waste of a very valuable resource. So why not, whilst we still have plenty of oil left, take the steps to develop alternative technologies now. Because doing it without the ready supplies of oil will be a hell of a lot harder.
And in case you don't think we are actually going to run out of oil... contemplate this.
A 1997 report stated that there were about 600 million motor vehicles in the world. Having trouble visuaising that? Well put them in a hypothetical traffic jam and it would stretch 100 times around the earth. We cannot continue to feed a beast like that indefinately, especially when the number of motor vehicles is expected to double by 2030.
Yes, I can see it all quite plainly.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08