National Sunday Law To Be Enforced!

yahamita

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/Tritium/gG5ngR


http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=5676.4031.0.0

Be sure and read the comments at the end of the Obamanation page..

anotherclone

I don't get it. This is someone's blog, it's like reading a myspace blog or something.

I get the overall idea of what they are talking about, but what's your point?

I don't mean that in a weird way, I'm just curious what you're thinking.

yahamita

anotherclone wrote:

I don't get it. This is someone's blog, it's like reading a myspace blog or something.

I get the overall idea of what they are talking about, but what's your point?

I don't mean that in a weird way, I'm just curious what you're thinking.

I am an Adventist, and been following this Sunday law enforcement for years. It is very scary to me since I worship on SATURDAY. and to see Obama's page mention this type of forced worhip/rest, is very overwhelming to me right now.

anotherclone

yahamita wrote:

I am an Adventist, and been following this Sunday law enforcement for years. It is very scary to me since I worship on SATURDAY. and to see Obama's page mention this type of forced worhip/rest, is very overwhelming to me right now.

That makes sense. I think it's crazy that anyone can tell us when to worship anyway. Next thing, they'll tell you "how".

Just remember this particular item on the Obama page was written like someone like you or me. It was not written by the campaign or an advisor or anything. There's even this at the bottom of the page:

"Content on blogs in My.BarackObama represents the opinions of community members and in no way should be interpreted as endorsed or approved by the campaign."

Now that other page? That seems to be a page dedicated to the Catholic agenda. I'm not sure about that one.

Lizard

do you mean Seventh Day Adventists??
If so---wowser. I would never have guessed that!!
Are you a devout practicing Adventist?

JaneNY

I really think here you need to take a deep breath and look outside. Read the papers. There is NO mention of any national Sunday law. Its not going to happen. Don't worry about it. Its just one guy sharing an opinion.

unifiedscene

yahamita wrote:

I am an Adventist, and been following this Sunday law enforcement for years. It is very scary to me since I worship on SATURDAY. and to see Obama's page mention this type of forced worhip/rest, is very overwhelming to me right now.

What's so scary? Could you not still rest on saturday and just get a guaranteed 2 days off?

I am all for a mandated one day off per week, I don't care what day it is. Make it Monday. Everybody hates Monday. This country is far too work-obsessed. It is only a good thing, in my mind, to force everyone to just slow the fuck down one day and breathe a little bit. Guarantee 2 days off per week... one national rest day, and anyone with religious beliefs gets their religious day off (be it Friday, Saturday, or Sunday). Atheists can make theirs Friday to nurse their Thursday night hangovers, hehe.

Sweet Emotion

unifiedscene wrote:

What's so scary? Could you not still rest on saturday and just get a guaranteed 2 days off?

I am all for a mandated one day off per week, I don't care what day it is. Make it Monday. Everybody hates Monday. This country is far too work-obsessed. It is only a good thing, in my mind, to force everyone to just slow the fuck down one day and breathe a little bit. Guarantee 2 days off per week... one national rest day, and anyone with religious beliefs gets their religious day off (be it Friday, Saturday, or Sunday). Atheists can make theirs Friday to nurse their Thursday night hangovers, hehe.

What kind of idiot are you?

South of Seattle

Sweet Emotion wrote:

What kind of idiot are you?

Makes sense to me. We are overworked as a country. I don't think this day needs to be religious at all though. What's wrong with a day off?

Sweet Emotion

South of Seattle wrote:

Makes sense to me. We are overworked as a country. I don't think this day needs to be religious at all though. What's wrong with a day off?

Very obviously, there's nothing wrong with a day off. You need a day then take a day. You need a day every week then take it. Take 2. But to have this mandated by the government is absurd. These are very different times from when there were indentured servants and other types of servitude. We are also, supposedly, governed with a secular set of ideas which would guarantee freedom of religious thought and practice and observance, which ought to be respected by all, regardless of which of the beliefs you might hold.
I don't want anyone telling me what I can and can't do on any given day based on their dogma and indoctrinations. The same way I'm not going to push my way of doing things on anybody else.
So if I want to work on Sunday or watch football or head out for a beer or spend it in thoughtful repose that is always going to be my decision to make. And yours for yourself. Don't let the government or any other group do too much of your thinking for you.

South of Seattle

Sweet Emotion wrote:

Very obviously, there's nothing wrong with a day off. You need a day then take a day. You need a day every week then take it. Take 2. But to have this mandated by the government is absurd. These are very different times from when there were indentured servants and other types of servitude. We are also, supposedly, governed with a secular set of ideas which would guarantee freedom of religious thought and practice and observance, which ought to be respected by all, regardless of which of the beliefs you might hold.
I don't want anyone telling me what I can and can't do on any given day based on their dogma and indoctrinations. The same way I'm not going to push my way of doing things on anybody else.
So if I want to work on Sunday or watch football or head out for a beer or spend it in thoughtful repose that is always going to be my decision to make. And yours for yourself. Don't let the government or any other group do too much of your thinking for you.

I agree with what you're saying. I just disagree with the culture of work in this country. Especially corporate culture. ( which I'm apart of )

jeffbr

Mandated is all I need to hear to be opposed. The government has no business telling me I have to take a day off. The government has no business telling business that they have to be closed on a certain day. Blue laws should be a thing of the past. If this is a fundie end run to get the holy day observed, fuck them. If this is an authoritarian move to control private business, fuck them. If I want to grab a six pack of beer on a Sunday, I don't need the government telling me I can't.

Sweet Emotion

South of Seattle wrote:

I agree with what you're saying. I just disagree with the culture of work in this country. Especially corporate culture. ( which I'm apart of )

So then what you really want is something more like the European model with real breaks for lunch, some with 4 day work weeks, and 5 weeks of vacation each year because they do put value on the employees and on the culture of family lives.

South of Seattle

Sweet Emotion wrote:

So then what you really want is something more like the European model with real breaks for lunch, some with 4 day work weeks, and 5 weeks of vacation each year because they do put value on the employees and on the culture of family lives.

More or less

I think that is a big reason for many of the social issues in this country.

When people are overworked and under appreciated it is not a good thing.

Dylan Stone

South of Seattle wrote:

More or less

I think that is a big reason for many of the social issues in this country.

When people are overworked and under appreciated it is not a good thing.

Ugh... I'm starting a "new " job at my old agency on Monday.... and that is how they try to make you feel. TOTALLY under appreciated. Like you need them WAAAY more than they need you.

BUT!!! I'm trying to stay positive.

Truth be told...I'm not a lazy person by any stretch... but i hate having a J-O-B.

But you know... gotta make some dough!


(Luckily all my vacation days will kick in by the time another tour rolls around. )

yahamita

Lizard wrote:

do you mean Seventh Day Adventists??
If so---wowser. I would never have guessed that!!
Are you a devout practicing Adventist?

HAHAHAH!!!!..I don't attend church regularly, but I do try my best..I am a sinner struggling within just like the rest of us. Oh the stares I get when I pull up in my decked out/stickered up PJ mobile! hahahaha

unifiedscene

Sweet Emotion wrote:

So then what you really want is something more like the European model with real breaks for lunch, some with 4 day work weeks, and 5 weeks of vacation each year because they do put value on the employees and on the culture of family lives.

Ummm... how is this cool, but mandating a day off is some sort of Nazi-power grab by the government? Isn't this the same principle? In either case, the government is mandating acceptable work practices.

Indentured servitude is relative. I don't know what job you work, but in most of my jobs, you work when they tell. If you balk, you're fired. When every company in the country does this, how much power do you really have to say no? There is no disputing the facts... Americans are workaholics. There was an interesting study not long ago about how Americans don't even take the vacation days their company offers because they are afraid of being fired if they do when the company realizes they can get by without them. We, as a society, live in terror of our employers and largely at their mercy. And don't tell me this work ethic somehow makes America great. Last I checked our economy was in the shitter and our citizens were massively overworked, depressed, unhappy, alcoholic, drug-addicted, divorced, and stressed out.

I should also clarify that I oppose blue laws that only ban alcohol sales on a given day out of some morality play. I was thinking in terms of a total national shutdown one day a week. Nobody is allowed to operate a business, period. Make people stay home with the family, or go to the park or something. Remember that people and relationships matter as much as your job.

jimed14

I grew up in Massachusetts ... we had the "blue law" when I was younger ... everything was closed on Sunday ...

Then they allowed sotres within 10 miles of the New Hampshire border to be open on Sundays (which is where I lived) as businesses were losing tons of money to weekend shoppers going across the border (still do as NH is sales tax free).

Then, they went to only liquors stores were closed on Sunday (you could not buy alcohol in grocery stores or convenience stores) ...

That's all gone now.

And .... I don't see any of that coming back ...

as mentioned, what was posted was somoene's opinion that this should happen, NOT the president elect's opinion.

decides2dream

when people read personal blogs and accept the opinions presented as fact.....very scary!



funny too, this is the first i have ever even heard of 'national sunday law.'
i guess can find whatever slant they desire if they look hard enough, and are not too discerning of their sources.


relax.
no worries.



the almighty dollar is the 'god' of choice.....we'll all be free to shop 7 days a week!

mammasan

I know Bergen County, NJ used to have Blue Laws, don't know if they still do since I don't live there anymore, and I hated it. The government has no place telling private business when they should be closed. Obviously this National Sunday Laws is the figment of some bloggers imagination so it's no real concern but all Blue Laws should be repealed. If I own a business and want to open on Sundays then that should be my decision, not the government's.

yoke

I know about the one in Bergen County, has to do with the Malls up there.. What about Car Dealerships in NJ didn't that fall into thte Blue Law category also?

josevolution

i allready have all weekends off i don't need another day off but then again to have every friday off would rock ..

mammasan

yoke wrote:

I know about the one in Bergen County, has to do with the Malls up there.. What about Car Dealerships in NJ didn't that fall into thte Blue Law category also?

I believe they do. I think the only businesses that don't are restaurants, grocery stores and pharmacies. I waited tables at a restaurant near the Garden State Plaza in Paramus during college. I used to hate the Blue Laws because that was one less day that I could work and make some money. The weekends was the only time you would make any significant amount of tips and since the mall was closed no one ever came to the restaurant.

Sweet Emotion

unifiedscene wrote:

Ummm... how is this cool, but mandating a day off is some sort of Nazi-power grab by the government? Isn't this the same principle? In either case, the government is mandating acceptable work practices.

Indentured servitude is relative. I don't know what job you work, but in most of my jobs, you work when they tell. If you balk, you're fired. When every company in the country does this, how much power do you really have to say no? There is no disputing the facts... Americans are workaholics. There was an interesting study not long ago about how Americans don't even take the vacation days their company offers because they are afraid of being fired if they do when the company realizes they can get by without them. We, as a society, live in terror of our employers and largely at their mercy. And don't tell me this work ethic somehow makes America great. Last I checked our economy was in the shitter and our citizens were massively overworked, depressed, unhappy, alcoholic, drug-addicted, divorced, and stressed out.

I should also clarify that I oppose blue laws that only ban alcohol sales on a given day out of some morality play. I was thinking in terms of a total national shutdown one day a week. Nobody is allowed to operate a business, period. Make people stay home with the family, or go to the park or something. Remember that people and relationships matter as much as your job.

What the hell are you talking about?? Please, spit the marbles out of your mouth and articulate your thoughts.

yahamita

decides2dream wrote:

when people read personal blogs and accept the opinions presented as fact.....very scary!



funny too, this is the first i have ever even heard of 'national sunday law.'
i guess can find whatever slant they desire if they look hard enough, and are not too discerning of their sources.


relax.
no worries.



the almighty dollar is the 'god' of choice.....we'll all be free to shop 7 days a week!

The law has been in place since the 1840's

http://www.reg6.com/reg6/index.html

unifiedscene

Sweet Emotion wrote:

What the hell are you talking about?? Please, spit the marbles out of your mouth and articulate your thoughts.

You pointed to Europe's regulations on breaks, vacation days, time off, long lunches, etc. How is that different from America regulating one day off from work per week? Both are examples of government's telling business what they can and can't do. Why is one ok and the other is not?

Sweet Emotion

unifiedscene wrote:

You pointed to Europe's regulations on breaks, vacation days, time off, long lunches, etc. How is that different from America regulating one day off from work per week? Both are examples of government's telling business what they can and can't do. Why is one ok and the other is not?

My comments were in regard to the other guy's thoughts about corporate culture and not about government mandates for how and when people have to do the jobs. In a previous post I had said that government mandates would be absurd.

unifiedscene

Sweet Emotion wrote:

My comments were in regard to the other guy's thoughts about corporate culture and not about government mandates for how and when people have to do the jobs. In a previous post I had said that government mandates would be absurd.

Fair enough. Your response seemed to imply that you found nothing wrong with those kinds of regulations. Thus why I asked. I appreciate you being so civil and courteous in your responses.

Sweet Emotion

unifiedscene wrote:

Fair enough. Your response seemed to imply that you found nothing wrong with those kinds of regulations. Thus why I asked. I appreciate you being so civil and courteous in your responses.

I've been re reading this thread and it's apparent that you really have no idea what you've been talking about. Aside from being clueless on matters of history, politics, economy and social structure, you are twist of contradictions.
In one post you're all "for a mandated day off, because the country is work obsessed."
Then in this other when you pretend to some intellect you talk, in very confused ways, of Nazi power grabbing. And continue the incoherence with lots of ideas you found that you don't quite grasp.
You also missed the fact that I said on a European 'model'. Not government program. You want the mandates, I do not.
And then, lastly, young Unifiedscene, I am not here to be courteous to you.
I don't suffer fools very well.

Anon

yahamita wrote:

I am an Adventist, and been following this Sunday law enforcement for years. It is very scary to me since I worship on SATURDAY. and to see Obama's page mention this type of forced worhip/rest, is very overwhelming to me right now.

You do realize that this is just some randoms persons view, and in no way endorsed by obama don't you?

decides2dream

yahamita wrote:

The law has been in place since the 1840's

http://www.reg6.com/reg6/index.html

i know it HAS existed, and there may be areas where it still does exist...but in most areas it does NOT. so then, my comments stand.


when i said i'd not heard of it...i meant as in NOW, a current concern/issue. i never knew it was called 'national sunday law'...thought it was just the way things were at the time, not that it was named.


and reading a blog and taking said information as 'fact'.....bit of a stretch, no?